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overtone posted:I think season 3 is just as good as season 2 but just think it's strange that we haven't seen some reveal about how he was saved after the break. It still has to be the Lazarus Pit, right? Maseo and Tatsu sneaking him in? He was saved by the magical herbs from the Weed Force.
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That'd be a good way to get out of the 'prophecy' though. He didn't survive the blade.
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Season 2 is awesome so far. Sarahs return was expected, however I didn't see her being a masked crime fighter. Really liking the League of Shadows too.
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Mar 24, 2015 01:22
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Season 3 lacks a big bad. The only nefarious schemer we have had all season is chilling out on Thea's couch. Ra's had been remarkably reasonable for a guy who leads an organization called the League of Assassins. All he asked for was that the killer of one of his agents be brought to justice. After making a threat to get Team Arrow to stop dragging their heels, Oliver forced him into a duel even though they both knew Oliver didn't kill Sara. Ra's then returned Diggle, Merlyn and Oliver to Starling CIty with no further harm done. At the end of last episode when he is posing as The Arrow, he didn't shoot an innocent couple, or a pickpocket, he shot three cop killers (who were planning to kill more cops), which is right in line with Season 1 Oliver's sense of justice. Even the proposal to be Ra's heir isn't all that unreasonable - Oliver is unhappy, is uncomfortable wearing the Oliver Queen hat, has no life outside of vigilantism, and hasn't made much of a difference in cleaning up Starling City (one of the city's major tragedies only occurred because of him). Chugging along with Ra's as the season's big villain, when he has been a relatively decent guy, has made this season feel really directionless. Season 1 had Oliver becoming The Arrow and Merlyn wanting to kill all the poors. Season 2 had Brother Blood and then Slade trying to take over the city with an army of super strength goons and making Oliver's life hell. This season has been about the nicest assassin king ever, and his goal of getting one of the most honorable guys he has come across to lead his organization.
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Mar 24, 2015 01:26
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Ra's is not this season's big bad, Oliver is. That's why he's being such an rear end in a top hat. I am continually mystified by this thread's inability to understand that.
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Mar 24, 2015 01:45
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That's what I'm seeing, without a real enemy to focus on Ollie is basically on the path of a slow self destruct. The Arrow needs a target or it has no purpose.
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Mar 24, 2015 02:04
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Whizbang posted:Ra's is not this season's big bad, Oliver is. That's why he's being such an rear end in a top hat. I am continually mystified by this thread's inability to understand that. Yeah, we don't understand it because it's stupid as gently caress. Seriously, when Ollie starts mass-murdering innocent civilians, then you can come back to us and talk about how he's this season's Big Bad. Right now he's simply going through a sort of identity crisis, that's it.
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Mar 24, 2015 02:16
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Don't say we, I don't think any of the others want to be lumped in with you.
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Whizbang posted:Ra's is not this season's big bad, Oliver is. That's why he's being such an rear end in a top hat. I am continually mystified by this thread's inability to understand that. They do not "understand" that because some of posters in this thread (who are not you) have a grasp on the distinction between plot and theme.
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Mar 24, 2015 02:28
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Aphrodite posted:Every show declines. zoux posted:No!!! Don't you understand season three is bad????
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Mar 24, 2015 02:33
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The plot and theme are Oliver is being a self-doubting rear end in a top hat. Like, he's considering become Ra's al-Ghul, I don't know how much more the show can spell it out for you.
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Mar 24, 2015 02:33
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Aphrodite posted:Don't say we, I don't think any of the others want to be lumped in with you. No need to be a dick.
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Mar 24, 2015 02:35
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BrianWilly posted:I hope this is ironic or something. I mean, I hear TWD got better again but to say season 2 and 3 didn't decline is some high-larity. We were talking about ratings, Speedy.
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Mar 24, 2015 02:38
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Whizbang posted:The plot and theme are Oliver is being a self-doubting rear end in a top hat. Like, he's considering become Ra's al-Ghul, I don't know how much more the show can spell it out for you. You realize that Ra's al-Ghul is a vigilante just like Oliver, right? The only difference is that he is willing to kill people who do wrong, whereas Ollie isn't. But he isn't a villain like Malcolm or Slade. Ollie's considering to become Ra's al-Ghul is basically symbolism for regression. He used to kill people in Season 1, then stopped, and now he might go back to doing it. Whether or not he does it as the new leader of the League of Assassins isn't particularly important.
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Mar 24, 2015 02:40
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I'm on episode 8 and here we go with Barry Allen! I should've known he was just around the corner when they started talking about Particle Accelerators.
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Whizbang posted:The plot and theme are Oliver is being a self-doubting rear end in a top hat. Like, he's considering become Ra's al-Ghul, I don't know how much more the show can spell it out for you. Ok, then let's try it another way: you don't seem to understand what a "big bad" is. An emotional problem is not a "big bad". Like, it's literally short for "big bad wolf". A "big bad" is a person, who is not the hero, who threatens the hero, who the hero fights against. It is not just general shorthand for "any antagonistic force". People are not saying "this season has no antagonist". They are saying that without a real external enemy, scenes and entire episodes get lost in the muck of Oliver & the group's inner turmoil as it wallows in the themes of him and the rest of the team doubting him, without anything ever really happening. (also notice that I said that individual scenes/episodes get lost to that, and not that literally nothing has happened. many things have happened. just not enough.)
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Mar 24, 2015 02:44
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That theme has at least allowed them to reestablish Diggle as his best friend and grounding point. "I don't wanna die down here, John..." 
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Mar 24, 2015 03:34
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Spoiler pics from episode 18
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Mar 24, 2015 16:33
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Oh gently caress will Lance join up with the League? I also assume this will be when he is pointblank told that Ollie is Arrow
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bobkatt013 posted:Oh gently caress will Lance join up with the League? I also assume this will be when he is pointblank told that Ollie is Arrow Related to your spoiler: I doubt he'll join, more like get used by Ra's, but it wouldn't surprise me if he finds out Ollie is Arrow during the scene those pics are from. I also think last week's episode might be the only time Ra's does his Arrow bit. Just have to kill like 3 dudes to get Lance's panties in a twist.
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zoux posted:I would be interested to see how many of the people who say that the show is terrible now watched seasons one and two binge-style. I actually did binge-watch the show catching up till about the midpoint of season 3, and season 3 is far less interesting than either of the other two. I don't really care about the show doing dumb or implausible things -- it's a comic book adaptation, I can accept dumb, even enjoy it sometimes -- but this whole season feels like it's just spinning its wheels, both in the present and in the flashback. That said I'm a few episodes behind still, and the show's recovered semi-elegantly from dull or repetitive plot lines before, so we'll see.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I actually did binge-watch the show catching up till about the midpoint of season 3, and season 3 is far less interesting than either of the other two. I don't really care about the show doing dumb or implausible things -- it's a comic book adaptation, I can accept dumb, even enjoy it sometimes -- but this whole season feels like it's just spinning its wheels, both in the present and in the flashback. Just to add an alternate point of view, I've been watching roughly since the pilot, and I feel mostly the same way you do about the current season. I am still enjoying the show, and the flashbacks don't bother me as much as they do a lot of people (though, despite not being bothered by them, if ya twisted my arm I'd probably admit the show could better use the time) but... this season has felt like the weakest one to me. Although, someone said the Dig/Oliver relationship has had a chance to shine lately and that is definitely true, and that's been really fun. It'd be cool if he got a plot of his own... spoiler for upcoming stuff though I guess Deadshot is showing up soon so maybe I'll get my wish?
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Okay, don't know if anyone else had says this. But I just realized something. Arrow has been taking a hell of a lot from Batman, and in the Paleyfest trailer they showed Lance turning on him, hunting him and even raiding the "Arrowcave". This of course strongly reminded me of the classic Batman animated episode "Over the Edge". Especially since both scenarios started off with the death of the police officer's vigilante daughter. But of course that episode was all a Scarecrow induced hallucination. ...then I remembered that the villain of the first episode was Vertigo, who was suddenly and inexplicably in that episode made extremely Scarecrow-esque, and had already nailed Ollie with fear drug, repeatedly I believe. So the long and short of it I will now be paranoid that the entire season is a hallucination :p
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VBane posted:Okay, don't know if anyone else had says this. Nope, literally no one has thought this. Everyone has thought this.
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Deakul posted:Nope, literally no one has thought this. I don't want to live in a world without 
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Deakul posted:Nope, literally no one has thought this. The parallel were obvious, I knew that, it was the fact he fought Vertigo in the premiere that I'd completely forgotten and wasn't sure how many others had done the same.
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Woooooo, finally all caught up. Hell of a ride so far. I can agree with others that this season seems to lack a big bad, which makes it seem less...cohesive, maybe? I'm still liking it, though. And I don't hate Laurel anymore, so there's that. All the people complaining all she does is get her rear end kicked, well yeah, of course she does. She's grieving, and she's got fire in her gut, but she's had precious little training, and what's she has had can't keep up. She seems to do okay with single attackers, but more than one and she gets knocked around. The crossover episode was great, too. I didn't understand some of the references they made, but I'm about to start Flash, so it'll catch up. I'm pretty familiar with the comics, so that helped a bit, too. While I was watching it, I had to look up the Flash Rant, which always makes me laugh. Looking forward to more superhero antics.
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XboxPants posted:Just to add an alternate point of view, I've been watching roughly since the pilot, and I feel mostly the same way you do about the current season. If you are going to spoiler stuff get your tags right
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Dig and lyla's vows were great
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Felicity has tiny eyes.
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Mar 26, 2015 01:07
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The one way to Felicity's heart, topless exercise!
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Mar 26, 2015 01:13
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Latest satellite imagery...on my Windows tablet! Why is Deadshot getting a flashback?
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Mar 26, 2015 01:13
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I'd be satisfied if the rest of the episode was Deadshot's flashback.
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Mar 26, 2015 01:15
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Well, poo poo.
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Mar 26, 2015 01:17
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Well that was a hilarious smoke bomb
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Mar 26, 2015 01:18
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How easily Ray did that is pretty funny.
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Aphrodite posted:How easily Ray did that is pretty funny. Well he does have one of those visors that is basically magic.
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So, Felicity must do nothing but situps when she's not being tech guru for Ollie and Ray.
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I like how they didn't just use a picture of him and made it look like a computer recreation.
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Boooo ray no one likes you
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