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So Tenneessee folks, watching the UGA/Tennessee game, we murdered your quarterbacks the entire game. Did you guys have an exceptionally young O-line? It seemed like any time UGA wanted to call a blitz, your QBs were eating grass. Is this something that you are hoping that with another year together, the line will work better together?
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Mar 24, 2015 22:43
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You know what, new page so who cares. Why isn't it football season already 
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Mar 24, 2015 22:44
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I just want to cut to the chase and the top 40 schools basically just license their names to professional teams of 18-23 year olds playing four years contracts with an option for a fifth under the right circumstances.
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Mar 24, 2015 22:45
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Sash! posted:I just want to cut to the chase and the top 40 schools basically just license their names to professional teams of 18-23 year olds playing four years contracts with an option for a fifth under the right circumstances. Down with this. Basically this is what Ralph Nader proposed a while back wasn't it?
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Mar 24, 2015 22:45
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VDay posted:When all Det uses to argue his side of this issue is ridiculous strawmen and hyperbolic hypotheticals, that's all I can respond to. And in contrast you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge any consequences to your pet position because they're inconvenient to your argument.
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Mar 24, 2015 22:46
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Deteriorata posted:And in contrast you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge any consequences to your pet position because they're inconvenient to your argument. So Det, other arguments aside, do you really think that removing commercialization from college athletics has any hope to ever actually occur? I can't envision a scenario where a major university would even attempt it.
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Mar 24, 2015 22:47
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drunk leprechaun posted:Do you have any problem with student musicians who are on scholarship making money from playing in Concerta for the school? Do you think that makes them worse students? The issue is not having the money, but where the money comes from. When their money comes from playing their sport, that's who gets their attention. Classes become an inconvenient side show, leading to ever more no-effort classes or grade-fixing to the point where they finally just dump it completely. That Works posted:It doesn't matter because Deteriorata's argument is rooted in the notion that the way to fix the problem is to remove commercialization from college athletics. It has happened numerous times in the past. I'm curious as to why you think this time is different.
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Mar 24, 2015 22:50
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Maybe not 40. Maybe 64.
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Mar 24, 2015 22:51
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Deteriorata posted:The issue is not having the money, but where the money comes from. When their money comes from playing their sport, that's who gets their attention. Classes become an inconvenient side show, leading to ever more no-effort classes or grade-fixing to the point where they finally just dump it completely. Do you have any examples more recent than 1905? (And no this isn't a 'Det is old' joke).
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Mar 24, 2015 22:52
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KKKLIP ART posted:I couldn't wait. Ive started my re-watching of old games. Hold me, TFF. Don't miss 95 UF-UGA.
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Mar 24, 2015 22:58
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LeeMajors posted:Don't miss 95 UF-UGA. I'll pass on that one. And come to think of it, why didn't UGA and Florida play last season? I don't think they played. Nope.
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Mar 24, 2015 23:00
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Pay the players.KKKLIP ART posted:I couldn't wait. Ive started my re-watching of old games. Hold me, TFF. Here's a great offseason go-to if points and stupid-as-gently caress comebacks are your thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owtwvXtyW44
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Mar 24, 2015 23:06
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KKKLIP ART posted:I'll pass on that one. And come to think of it, why didn't UGA and Florida play last season? I don't think they played. Nope. Got railroaded by an abortion of an offense. I still can't believe that game happened. Then we stopped running the dang ball after that game. Muschamp y'all. 
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Mar 24, 2015 23:06
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KKKLIP ART posted:So Tenneessee folks, watching the UGA/Tennessee game, we murdered your quarterbacks the entire game. Did you guys have an exceptionally young O-line? It seemed like any time UGA wanted to call a blitz, your QBs were eating grass. Is this something that you are hoping that with another year together, the line will work better together? That's pretty much exactly what it was. I think the oldest kid on the line was a Junior and at the beginning of the season he was pretty much the only one that had actually had any starts. We went from having a great o-line a couple years ago to a bunch of guys that had no idea what was going on. Thanks Dooley! Luckily Worley was at least somewhat mobile so he only took two sacks. And yet we still only lost by 3. Joey Freshwater fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Mar 24, 2015 |
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Mar 24, 2015 23:10
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Pay the players. Not even as good as the next New Mexico Bowl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3w2CwtgdDc
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Mar 24, 2015 23:35
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Deteriorata posted:And in contrast you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge any consequences to your pet position because they're inconvenient to your argument. Because you act like your hypothetical consequences for compensation are inescapable problems with no possible solutions. I don't refuse to acknowledge the consequences, I just don't think your doomsday scenarios are legitimate counter-arguments for paying players. There will absolutely be challenges associated with diverting the funds from somewhere and limiting the payments to some kind of reasonable amount to prevent all the bidding war scenarios that people are afraid of. But I don't think the fundamental idea of player compensation is some kind of harbinger of the college football apocalypse that will corrupt college athletes and ruin the entire sport forever. You've at least expanded on some of your points/concerns though, so at this point there isn't really much to say because it all just boils down to some version of "I don't agree with what you think will happen". I'm sure we'll revisit this many times in the future, like when the results of the NCAA's appeal of the O'Bannon lawsuit come out.
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Mar 24, 2015 23:43
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Just do a stipend for everyone who receives a four-year guaranteed athletic scholarship.
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Mar 24, 2015 23:53
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That Works posted:Do you have any examples more recent than 1905? (And no this isn't a 'Det is old' joke). 1926 The AAUP report 1929 The Carnegie report 1932 The Gates report 1939 NCAA reforms, giving it enforcement powers over by-laws 1946 NCAA reforms, emphasizing academics and limiting outside money 1952 ACE report and fallout from the William and Mary scandal in 1951 1957 NCAA endorses athletic scholarships, limits outside monetary influences and a couple dozen or so other minor regional or conference-level reforms over the years. Combined with the limitations on athletic scholarships (105 in 1971, 85 today) and the splitting into divisions, this has had a huge impact on the advantages of large schools with wealthy alumni. For most of its history, "commercialism" meant doing devious things to get better players so as to win more games and sell more tickets - essentially an institutional-level problem. Thus the majority of the reforms have been in that department, and by 1960 or so had it pretty well sorted out. There have been incremental reforms since then, too numerous to mention. Fighting that sort of commercialism has occupied about 90% of the NCAA's efforts since it was formed. The current problem of commercialization is of a different sort than the NCAA was invented to correct. Television money is flooding into all schools, but once again the big, wealthy, powerful schools are disproportionately benefiting from it, to the detriment of the sport in general. It is creating system-wide problems which are quite different from those of the past. I'm not sure the NCAA is capable of dealing with it or if it's going to require a more powerful government-run organization to rein it in. The current situation is not sustainable, though, so something needs to be done about it soon.
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Mar 24, 2015 23:55
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I think we should pay the players, but say good bye to mid majors. The Power Five conferences will set all the rules and they will play in their favor.
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Mar 24, 2015 23:59
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To be fair most of Dets counter arguments are dumb slippery slope arguments that are fine to ignore if you don't consider them a problem. Bidding wars are the go to example, I see no issue with that, even though I root for a mid major.'
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Mar 25, 2015 00:10
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Regnevelc posted:I think we should pay the players, but say good bye to mid majors. The top half of the P5 should be wary. There could be a Stalin secretly lurking among our lower teams, waiting to turn on us. We must strike at the Indianas and Wake Forests first. Kill their leader: Northwestern.
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Mar 25, 2015 00:12
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Raku posted:Not even as good as the next New Mexico Bowl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3w2CwtgdDc JesustheDarkLord posted:Just do a stipend for everyone who receives a four-year guaranteed athletic scholarship.
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Mar 25, 2015 00:15
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This is goddamned TFF; take the ultra high-brow arguments to D&D. Whatever happened to thinly-veiled shilling for our favorite teams, snarky jabs at our rivals, and making GBS threads on Penn State for any convenient reason? Det you loving ruin everything in the CFB threads continually.
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Mar 25, 2015 00:15
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Sash! posted:The top half of the P5 should be wary. There could be a Stalin secretly lurking among our lower teams, waiting to turn on us. We must strike at the Indianas and Wake Forests first. Harvard quickly becomes the NCAA power.
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Mar 25, 2015 00:22
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My examples, from literally before everyone here was born...
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Mar 25, 2015 00:24
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My favorite solution is to dissolve athletic scholarships, introduce actual contracts, and simply charge the kids tuition/rooms/food/books/equipment. No discounts needed or used, they can apply and enter school as any other student, pay the same fees other students incur while in school, and when they go to their jobs they are compensated fairly for their work.
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Mar 25, 2015 00:27
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Regnevelc posted:Harvard quickly becomes the NCAA power. Sometimes I think football misses something but not having the Ivies in the top tier.
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Mar 25, 2015 00:28
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Sash! posted:Sometimes I think football misses something but not having the Ivies in the top tier. Mostly revenge on the Harvard and Yale grads that get to ruin our lives every day
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Mar 25, 2015 00:30
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Umm hello are we forgetting Harvard was the only undefeated Div I team remaining at the end of last season?!
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Mar 25, 2015 00:33
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Raku posted:Mostly revenge on the Harvard and Yale grads that get to ruin our lives every day Penn State once played Yale for seven straight years and didn't score a single point. That might be the worst series in team history.
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Mar 25, 2015 00:33
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Det probably pronounces commercialism "comm-oi-shalism."
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Mar 25, 2015 00:44
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i wonder why its always Michigan fans who are most vocally opposed to paying players, when i have ~inside sources~ that Michigan pays recruits to commit as well
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Mar 25, 2015 01:02
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Deteriorata posted:The issue is not having the money, but where the money comes from. When their money comes from playing their sport, that's who gets their attention. Classes become an inconvenient side show, leading to ever more no-effort classes or grade-fixing to the point where they finally just dump it completely. How is that different than any student with a part time job? I got paid to bounce in college, but I sure as poo poo put more time into my engineering classes. You're always going to have students who care more about education than others. Adding money into the equation won't change that.
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Mar 25, 2015 01:10
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The NCAA finally gave up on its eternal appeals, and released the emails in the McNair case
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Mar 25, 2015 01:22
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gently caress's sake. VINYL IS THE BEST WAY TO LISTEN TO MUSIC.
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Mar 25, 2015 01:36
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The Glumslinger posted:The NCAA finally gave up on its eternal appeals, and released the emails in the McNair case quote:In private emails, members of the NCAA infractions committee that sanctioned USC in the Reggie Bush scandal derided the university for hiring Lane Kiffin and compared the case surrounding former running backs coach Todd McNair to the Oklahoma City bombing. Wait, what? quote:Uphoff’s memo compared McNair’s case -- in which the committee determined he engaged in unethical conduct related to the Bush scandal -- to circumstances surrounding the Oklahoma City bombing. 
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Mar 25, 2015 01:46
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I tell you, the evidence that Todd Gurley took money for autographs is a hell of a lot more convincing than the official story of 9/11!
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Mar 25, 2015 02:09
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Jet fuel can't melt signed autographs Pawwwlll
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Mar 25, 2015 02:15
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HOTLANTA MAN posted:Jet fuel can't melt signed autographs Pawwwlll Careful now, getting a great deal on jet fuel because you play college ball is an NCAA infraction.
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Mar 25, 2015 02:21
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This is a factual post about football. Virginia Tech started spring practice today. Their new indoor practice facility is loving huge. Frank looks really loving old now compared to last year. I was there. These are all facts.
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