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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Darth Walrus posted:

Cousin's fifteenth birthday is coming up, and he is a total petrolhead. Refs?

Uh, chitty chitty bang bang? I have no loving idea.

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Transistor Rhythm
Feb 16, 2011

If setting the Sustain Level in the ENV to around 7, you can obtain a howling sound.

Selachian posted:

Jack Vance's Cugel the Clever books (The Eyes of the Overworld et al.) are also great examples of a scummy trickster hero, but the world is more preposterous than grimdark.

This.All Vance Dying Earth stuff is great, but Cugel is a fun scumbag.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Darth Walrus posted:

Cousin's fifteenth birthday is coming up, and he is a total petrolhead. Recs?

I googled some Henry Ford biographies for you, and this was supposed to be good

Watts, S. (2005). The People’s Tycoon: Henry Ford and the American Century. New York: A.A. Knopf

Lawen
Aug 7, 2000

Darth Walrus posted:

Cousin's fifteenth birthday is coming up, and he is a total petrolhead. Recs?

It's probably a terrible idea to give this to a 15yo but since you said "petrolhead" instead of "gearhead" I'm going to assume it'll be a few years before he can drive so...
Going Faster: Mastering the Art of Race Driving
It's basically a textbook with some physics and math in it but if he reads it, he will get better at Forza/Gran Turismo.

spacebrospiff
May 2, 2013

Anything I can grab on kindle that would give me an overview of the Israel Palestinian conflict that at least attempts to be objective.

Pork Pie Hat
Apr 27, 2011

spacebrospiff posted:

Anything I can grab on kindle that would give me an overview of the Israel Palestinian conflict that at least attempts to be objective.

The Palestinian-Israeli Conflict: A Very Short Introduction by Martin Bunton might be a good bet. The Very Short Introduction series as a whole is excellent and they tend to have authors who know their onions.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Lawen posted:

It's probably a terrible idea to give this to a 15yo but since you said "petrolhead" instead of "gearhead" I'm going to assume it'll be a few years before he can drive so...
Going Faster: Mastering the Art of Race Driving
It's basically a textbook with some physics and math in it but if he reads it, he will get better at Forza/Gran Turismo.

He's an amateur kart racer with a couple of minor trophies who recently got his own vehicle. This'll be raw catnip, thanks.

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy
I have a tricky one. I need some recommendations for book club reading but they've pretty much got to be either fairly new books or something kind of obscure to the US market. Personally I'm leaning towards sci-fi, but at this point I'll settle for pretty much anything that someone in the group hasn't already read or deliberately opted not to read. Station Eleven and Bone Clocks are already out.

saphron
Apr 28, 2009

there wolf posted:

I have a tricky one. I need some recommendations for book club reading but they've pretty much got to be either fairly new books or something kind of obscure to the US market. Personally I'm leaning towards sci-fi, but at this point I'll settle for pretty much anything that someone in the group hasn't already read or deliberately opted not to read. Station Eleven and Bone Clocks are already out.

Hooboy, I have the same problem with picking something for the book club I'm in too. How about The Martian by Andy Weir (American astronaut stranded on Mars, recent and still quite new), or The Three-Body-Problem by Cixin Liu (Cultural Revolution, as well as intense physics and alien contact)? There's always Roger Zelazny or Octavia Butler for some different flavors of sci-fi.

You could always go for Mary Shelley's The Last Man, but it's both a long read and a difficult one...and probably more interesting if you go in with some background on the Romantic era. (I don't actually suggest picking this unless your book club is a patient bunch.)

Chas McGill
Oct 29, 2010

loves Fat Philippe
Really enjoyed the Three Body Problem,so I'll second that suggestion. Looking forward to reading more of the series.

Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength

Lprsti99 posted:

I'm looking for something fantasy/sci-fi. I've only got a vague idea of what I want, but I will say that most of the novels I've enjoyed have been funny and/or cynical/GRIMDARK/whatever. Bonus points if the protagonist is morally-questionable or an antihero, or gets by with mainly their wits (Guile Hero, I think the term is from TVTropes).

Can't see that anyone has mentioned The Lies of Locke Lamora yet. (And the sequels, but especially the first book.) The adventures of a con-man in Fantasy Not-Venice. Got you covered both on the grimdark and the funny aspects.

Also, have you read the Miles Vorkosigan series? Not quite so much grimdark (although bits and pieces of the setting are grim enough), the main character is basically a space opera version of Tyrion Lannister with way better parents and a stronger moral core (except the series has been around for a decade longer than Martin's fantasy opus so it's more the other way around). Best trickster-hero ever. It's been ongoing since the 1980s and there are like 15 books or something.

Lprsti99
Apr 7, 2011

Everything's coming up explodey!

Pillbug

Groke posted:

Can't see that anyone has mentioned The Lies of Locke Lamora yet. (And the sequels, but especially the first book.) The adventures of a con-man in Fantasy Not-Venice. Got you covered both on the grimdark and the funny aspects.

Also, have you read the Miles Vorkosigan series? Not quite so much grimdark (although bits and pieces of the setting are grim enough), the main character is basically a space opera version of Tyrion Lannister with way better parents and a stronger moral core (except the series has been around for a decade longer than Martin's fantasy opus so it's more the other way around). Best trickster-hero ever. It's been ongoing since the 1980s and there are like 15 books or something.

Haven't read either of those, added to the list.

Human Tornada
Mar 4, 2005

I been wantin to see a honkey dance.

Selachian posted:

Ed McBain's "87th Precinct" books are pretty good for this. There are a billion of them but they mostly stand on their own, plus they're quick reads, so you can grab whatever looks good.

regulargonzalez posted:

Richard Stark aka Donald Westlake's Parker novels might work. They're from the pov of the "bad guy", who is close to amoral but very competent. They maybe lack a bit of Michael Mann style flash, though. The Mel Gibson movie Payback is an adaptation of a Parker book, if that helps.

Thanks for these. The used book store didn't have any Ed McBain books but I did grab one of the newer Parker's. I really liked it even though it's not what I was looking for. Basically Miami Vice (The Movie): The Book , but I guess that might not exist. Will definitely be on the lookout for more Parker, though.

snooman
Aug 15, 2013
After finishing The Three Body Problem I'm hungry for something about the Chinese cultural revolution. Something in the same vein as Red Plenty would be nice if it exists.

Boner Calhoun
Jun 15, 2005

Silence in the studio!
Can anyone recommend any good novels over 1000 pages long?

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Boner Calhoun posted:

Can anyone recommend any good novels over 1000 pages long?

War and Peace and In Search of Lost Time maybe

Fellwenner
Oct 21, 2005
Don't make me kill you.

Boner Calhoun posted:

Can anyone recommend any good novels over 1000 pages long?

Count of Monte Cristo, Dance to the Music of Time.

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

Boner Calhoun posted:

Can anyone recommend any good novels over 1000 pages long?

Like, literally a thousand+ pages, or just a doorstop-novel? Game of Thrones, Dune, Anathem, Les Miserables, East or Eden I think... you might be better off looking for word count. Around 400,000 usually gets you in the thousand page range.

Chamberk
Jan 11, 2004

when there is nothing left to burn you have to set yourself on fire

Boner Calhoun posted:

Can anyone recommend any good novels over 1000 pages long?

A Suitable Boy by Vikram Seth is a really good one about families in newly-independent India. As mentioned before, War and Peace is good, and if you like really epic scope, A Moment in the Sun by John Sayles is a great yarn about America at the turn of the century - the Spanish-American War, racial violence in the South, insurrections in the Philippines, the assassination of McKinley - as seen through a number of people from various walks of life. Those are pretty big historical epics, but I dig those.

The Instructions by Adam Levin is something a little more off-the-wall - it's about a ten-year-old who believes he's the Messiah and starts a revolution at his strange school. It's bizarre, but I really enjoyed it.


Those are the longest books I remember reading recently that didn't have dragons or wizards.

Quandary
Jan 29, 2008

there wolf posted:

Like, literally a thousand+ pages, or just a doorstop-novel? Game of Thrones, Dune, Anathem, Les Miserables, East or Eden I think... you might be better off looking for word count. Around 400,000 usually gets you in the thousand page range.

Dune is like 300 pages maybe. Count of Monte Cristo is very good or Shogun is always a good choice

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Boner Calhoun posted:

Can anyone recommend any good novels over 1000 pages long?

If you like historical drama in the style of Dumas, can handle names with too many consonants, and don't mind books that will break toes if you drop them, try Henryk Sienkiewicz's "The Trilogy" (With Fire and Sword, Deluge, Fire on the Steppe). All together, it's just north of 3,500 pages. Should keep you busy for a while.

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

Quandary posted:

Dune is like 300 pages maybe. Count of Monte Cristo is very good or Shogun is always a good choice

Really? I must have had some giant-margins monstrosity when I read it so many years ago. I was reading Les Miserables at the same time and the books were pretty much the same size. That's probably why word count would be a better metric; Dune clocks in at 188k while Les Miserables is well over 530k.

And having now fallen down that hole, it looks like if you want really big books you should be reading mostly dead Russians and epic fantasy. Wheel of Time, Stormlight Archives, Malazan, Song of Ice and Fire, The Night's Down Trilogy, and the Memory, Sorrow and Thorn Trilogy all have book that approach/exceed a 400k word count.

Chas McGill
Oct 29, 2010

loves Fat Philippe

Boner Calhoun posted:

Can anyone recommend any good novels over 1000 pages long?
James Clavell's historical fiction novels are all pretty long. Shogun is over 1000 pages on paperback for sure, and it took me ages to read Noble House. Enjoyed all his stuff although at times it was difficult to look past his amoral objectivism.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Hey guys!

I have pretty bad ADHD and it's very, very difficult for me to read. I read as a little kid and then as I grew up I found I just could not do it anymore. I'm looking to start reading again for fun as I really want to be able to enjoy books but they are really hard for me to focus on. Can anyone reccomend the best books about the UFC/MMA fighting? Maybe more from an individual fighter's perspective rather than an overview of UFC/MMA. Trying to avoid really dry, dense books. As childish as it sounds, the more "casually" a book is written the easier it is for me to read. Thanks everyone!

dokmo
Aug 27, 2006

:stat:man

Kvlt! posted:

Hey guys!

I have pretty bad ADHD and it's very, very difficult for me to read. I read as a little kid and then as I grew up I found I just could not do it anymore. I'm looking to start reading again for fun as I really want to be able to enjoy books but they are really hard for me to focus on. Can anyone reccomend the best books about the UFC/MMA fighting? Maybe more from an individual fighter's perspective rather than an overview of UFC/MMA. Trying to avoid really dry, dense books. As childish as it sounds, the more "casually" a book is written the easier it is for me to read. Thanks everyone!

I enjoyed Big John McCarthy's autobio Let's Get It On, which isn't exactly the most difficult read, but not terribly written either. Full of great anecdotes by someone who's been around the sport forever.

robotsinmyhead
Nov 29, 2005

Dude, they oughta call you Piledriver!

Clever Betty

there wolf posted:

Really? I must have had some giant-margins monstrosity when I read it so many years ago. I was reading Les Miserables at the same time and the books were pretty much the same size. That's probably why word count would be a better metric; Dune clocks in at 188k while Les Miserables is well over 530k.

Dune has one of the biggest in-book glossaries I've ever seen - so maybe that accounts for some of it? I read the first one way back in HS in the nascent internet days, and constantly flipping to the back, while interesting, was killing my progress. I don't recall it being that long.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Lprsti99 posted:

Haven't read either of those, added to the list.

Locke Lamora is definitely a good one. Even though the sequels weren't quite as good, imo still a fun 3 books to finish (and more planned).

I'd also throw out Patrick Rothfuss Kingkiller Trilogy. Even though the 3rd one isnt going to be out for another decade. The protagonist is a bit of a goony Mary-Sue but it was a fun read as well. If you liked that (or at least parts of it), I'd also throw out Robin Hobb's Farseer Trilogy. It's another first-person retelling and quite enjoyable.

And if you like Sanderson, I've just started reading Brian McClellan's Power Mage trilogy which the third book just came out. It's Sanderson-like and a fun fantasy read so far. A fair amount of twists, politics, and espionage as well. It fits right in with your want of Magic vs Technology as there's an (waning) collective/cabal of people who can use sorcery who support the royal monarchs and then an growing technology with the invention of more industrial-esque era and a growing collective of people who can injest and manipulate gunpowder to give them powers and gently caress the mages up.

Xaris fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Mar 24, 2015

Pork Pie Hat
Apr 27, 2011

Lprsti99 posted:

I'm looking for something fantasy/sci-fi. I've only got a vague idea of what I want, but I will say that most of the novels I've enjoyed have been funny and/or cynical/GRIMDARK/whatever. Bonus points if the protagonist is morally-questionable or an antihero, or gets by with mainly their wits (Guile Hero, I think the term is from TVTropes).

I don't know if you play video games, so you may (or not) be familiar with the series, but the The Witcher books by Andrzej Sapkowski are supposed to be good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witcher wiki link if you've not played the games.

Stravinsky
May 31, 2011

Boner Calhoun posted:

Can anyone recommend any good novels over 1000 pages long?

the man without qualities

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

Pork Pie Hat posted:

I don't know if you play video games, so you may (or not) be familiar with the series, but the The Witcher books by Andrzej Sapkowski are supposed to be good.
They are really god low fantasy. If you like Joe Abercrombie's cynical black humor, you should love them.

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

saphron posted:

Hooboy, I have the same problem with picking something for the book club I'm in too. How about The Martian by Andy Weir (American astronaut stranded on Mars, recent and still quite new), or The Three-Body-Problem by Cixin Liu (Cultural Revolution, as well as intense physics and alien contact)? There's always Roger Zelazny or Octavia Butler for some different flavors of sci-fi.

You could always go for Mary Shelley's The Last Man, but it's both a long read and a difficult one...and probably more interesting if you go in with some background on the Romantic era. (I don't actually suggest picking this unless your book club is a patient bunch.)

The Three Body Problem won! Thanks for the recommendation.

AMINAL
Dec 6, 2014

there wolf posted:

The Three Body Problem won! Thanks for the recommendation.

Great book, just finished it myself! The second one in the series is coming out in july, can't wait.

Anyway, I too am looking for decent sci fi books. I've read The Martian and loved it. Some old favorites include books like Neuromancer, Snow Crash, When Gravity Fails and the Forever War. Does anyone know of something decent and similar I might not have read?
I dig post apocalyptic, dark and depressing "hard" sci fi stuff. Mystery and lots of technobabble is a plus

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

AMINAL posted:

Anyway, I too am looking for decent sci fi books. I've read The Martian and loved it. Some old favorites include books like Neuromancer, Snow Crash, When Gravity Fails and the Forever War. Does anyone know of something decent and similar I might not have read?
I dig post apocalyptic, dark and depressing "hard" sci fi stuff. Mystery and lots of technobabble is a plus

The Quantum Thief might suit your needs.

AMINAL
Dec 6, 2014

Subjunctive posted:

The Quantum Thief might suit your needs.

This looks.. great! Thank you so much, my weekend is saved. :)

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

AMINAL posted:

I dig post apocalyptic, dark and depressing "hard" sci fi stuff. Mystery and lots of technobabble is a plus

You want to read Altered Carbon

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

AMINAL posted:

Great book, just finished it myself! The second one in the series is coming out in july, can't wait.

Anyway, I too am looking for decent sci fi books. I've read The Martian and loved it. Some old favorites include books like Neuromancer, Snow Crash, When Gravity Fails and the Forever War. Does anyone know of something decent and similar I might not have read?
I dig post apocalyptic, dark and depressing "hard" sci fi stuff. Mystery and lots of technobabble is a plus

Charles Stross, Accelerando. You will have so much technobabble you won't even know where to put it.

ShakeyDog
May 27, 2008
Any recommendations for native american literature? I'm working on The Lone Ranger and Tonto Fistfight in Heaven by Sherman Alexie right now and it owns. It's the first book in a while where I'll read a section and then want to go back and read it again to pick up on the subtext.

I just read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee and Custer Died For Your Sins so I'd like to keep reading stuff in this vein for a bit. I'm pretty ignorant still though. Are there any highly regarded authors from any of the plains tribes?

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

AMINAL posted:

I dig post apocalyptic, dark and depressing "hard" sci fi stuff. Mystery and lots of technobabble is a plus
Alastair Reynolds, Revelation Space and the sequels. Fairly easy on technobabble but does dark mysterious space really well.

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

ShakeyDog posted:

Any recommendations for native american literature? I'm working on The Lone Ranger and Tonto Fistfight in Heaven by Sherman Alexie right now and it owns. It's the first book in a while where I'll read a section and then want to go back and read it again to pick up on the subtext.

I just read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee and Custer Died For Your Sins so I'd like to keep reading stuff in this vein for a bit. I'm pretty ignorant still though. Are there any highly regarded authors from any of the plains tribes?

The Education of Little Tree. Read it first, then listen to the This American Life (or Radiolab?) episode about it. Don't read anything on the internet about it beforehand.

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Lprsti99
Apr 7, 2011

Everything's coming up explodey!

Pillbug

ShakeyDog posted:

Any recommendations for native american literature? I'm working on The Lone Ranger and Tonto Fistfight in Heaven by Sherman Alexie right now and it owns. It's the first book in a while where I'll read a section and then want to go back and read it again to pick up on the subtext.

I just read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee and Custer Died For Your Sins so I'd like to keep reading stuff in this vein for a bit. I'm pretty ignorant still though. Are there any highly regarded authors from any of the plains tribes?

It's fiction, but I really enjoyed Don Coldsmith's Spanish Bit Saga when I was younger. It's about the introduction of the horse to the Plains tribes by Spanish explorers, one of whom gets separated from his group and is adopted into a tribe. (The tribes are all fictional too).

Novels are pretty short from what I remember, but there's like 30 of them. From what I can see the series is pretty well regarded, too, so it's not just my rose-colored glasses.

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