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Frinkahedron posted:This is a factual post about football. Virginia Tech started spring practice today. Their new indoor practice facility is loving huge. Frank looks really loving old now compared to last year. I was there. These are all facts. UCLA's spring practice is still a week away  At least we're getting a bunch of work done in recruiting in the mean time.
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Deteriorata posted:
Well we agree about that much for certain. Thanks for posting the info. I think for me, and probably some of the others that don't agree with you, it feels like the system should just be killed off rather than trying to fix it. You'd end up with some sort of University branded semi-pro system of athletes operating separately and then go back to having sports operate within the University at a club level which is a lot more conducive to the idealized / traditional version of 'student athlete' that top programs really have now.
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Mar 25, 2015 03:05
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The solution to the problems facing college athletics is to disband all University of Michigan teams.
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Mar 25, 2015 03:16
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That Works posted:Well we agree about that much for certain. Thanks for posting the info. Unfortunately, the system is set up to be reactive, not proactive, so I also see a major trainwreck coming, from which will emerge a new model of college athletics - not unlike the 1905 Crisis. I remain convinced that a university-sponsored semi-pro system would not be popular with the public for very long and would die out after a few years, however.
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Mar 25, 2015 03:18
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R.D. Mangles posted:The solution to the problems facing college athletics is to disband all University of Michigan teams.
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Mar 25, 2015 04:08
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R.D. Mangles posted:The solution to the problems facing college athletics is to disband all University of Michigan teams. I warned all of you that Northwestern will be the death of us
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Mar 25, 2015 04:22
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Sash! posted:I warned all of you that Northwestern will be the death of us Well to whoever tried to make the point about players already being employees Northwestern showed that during the union talks last year. So if we combine this with Dets theory that paying players will ruin college sports it appears you are right. E: it was Vday and he already linked the decision.  that's what I get for reading the past three pages quickly.
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Mar 25, 2015 06:38
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Unionizing will hurt the Wildcats in their goal of winning the Big Ten.
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Mar 25, 2015 06:42
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Unionizing, other teams showing up to play the game, the very existence of other teams, etc.
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Mar 25, 2015 07:31
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Deteriorata posted:Unfortunately, the system is set up to be reactive, not proactive, so I also see a major trainwreck coming, from which will emerge a new model of college athletics - not unlike the 1905 Crisis. I remain convinced that a university-sponsored semi-pro system would not be popular with the public for very long and would die out after a few years, however. I now I sure as hell wouldn't have any interest in rooting for semi-pro teams that weren't actually connected to the university. Plus going semi-pro and losing the tax deductability of donations would leave a huge void in the finances of programs. I'm with Det on this one. We're reaching a point where something has to give and I think it is more likely that university presidents reign things in than anything else. Even among P5 schools the Iowa States, Wake Forrests, Oregon States, Vanderbilts, etc... of the conference outnumber the Michigans, Oregons, and Alabamas.
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Mar 25, 2015 12:54
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Crotch Bat posted:Unionizing, other teams showing up to play the game, the very existence of other teams, etc. I don't know, Notre Dame didn't seem to be much of an impediment.
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Mar 25, 2015 13:16
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Mar 25, 2015 13:28
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C2C - 2.0 posted:
Pretty sure they do that every year. When I went to Ohio State for football camp under Cooper they had the Rose Bowl on there. They should have put the Citrus Bowl on there instead. Actual football question - why does Georgia always lose to one bad team per season?
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Mar 25, 2015 13:32
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Spacemonkey57 posted:Pretty sure they do that every year. When I went to Ohio State for football camp under Cooper they had the Rose Bowl on there. They should have put the Citrus Bowl on there instead. DUI suspensions usually.
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Mar 25, 2015 13:55
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Spacemonkey57 posted:Pretty sure they do that every year. When I went to Ohio State for football camp under Cooper they had the Rose Bowl on there. They should have put the Citrus Bowl on there instead. Because Georgia Sports.
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Mar 25, 2015 14:30
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C2C - 2.0 posted:
Not naming the other team is only funny when Tim Beckman does it (yes yes WildcatWithARedLineThroughIt.jpg)
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Mar 25, 2015 15:44
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Pakled posted:Because Georgia Sports. Real teams only lose to elite football schools like Duke.
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Mar 25, 2015 15:48
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Spacemonkey57 posted:Actual football question - why does Georgia always lose to one bad team per season? Because Mark Richt has lost control of his football team.
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Mar 25, 2015 15:55
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Thoguh posted:I now I sure as hell wouldn't have any interest in rooting for semi-pro teams that weren't actually connected to the university. Plus going semi-pro and losing the tax deductability of donations would leave a huge void in the finances of programs. Do you think the top schools give a single gently caress about what the Iowa States of the world have to say about how they run sports? If they wanted to keep it commercial, they'd burn that poo poo down and make their own division/NCAA.
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Mar 25, 2015 17:07
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FSU already has 2 injuries that requires surgery at LB and OL supposedly  On the plus side, WR Travis Rudolph seems to have the work ethic and personality (and smoothness in routes) to be a taller Rashad Greene.
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Neil Armbong posted:Do you think the top schools give a single gently caress about what the Iowa States of the world have to say about how they run sports? If they wanted to keep it commercial, they'd burn that poo poo down and make their own division/NCAA. At which point they only play each other and half of them end up with losing records every year. Fans will not be happy with that arrangement.
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Mar 25, 2015 17:31
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Deteriorata posted:At which point they only play each other and half of them end up with losing records every year. Fans will not be happy with that arrangement. You acknowledged in your own post that this is different than past issues college has faced for one big reason: TV revenue. Networks are still figuring out how to cope in a streaming world and live sports are still their cash cows for ad dollars. This is why ABC/Disney bought ESPN. To do away with commercialism, you'd really have to do away with televising games. This won't happen. Ever. Both the networks and conferences/schools will never give up that pay day. And the lobbying power of colleges and TV will surely be able to overcome any good faith efforts to overhaul. Believe it or not, it was the Big Ten and their network that really started the TV network/contract money arms race. Everyone watched how that did and followed suit when it worked out.
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Mar 25, 2015 17:36
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Deteriorata posted:At which point they only play each other and half of them end up with losing records every year. Fans will not be happy with that arrangement. Yea I am sure fans would be real upset about having only elite college football teams playing all weekend with no cupcake bullshit games.
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Mar 25, 2015 17:39
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MindlessHavok posted:That's pretty much exactly what it was. I think the oldest kid on the line was a Junior and at the beginning of the season he was pretty much the only one that had actually had any starts. We went from having a great o-line a couple years ago to a bunch of guys that had no idea what was going on. I think it was Spencer Hall who noted during that game that Mike Bobo must've bought shares in Georgia Fan Twitter Rant Company before that game the way he was calling it. Gurley was averaging an 80-yard touchdown/tomahawk dunk every carry and we were still having Hutson Mason throw fade routes. Dur wha?
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Mar 25, 2015 17:51
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Fluffdaddy posted:Yea I am sure fans would be real upset about having only elite college football teams playing all weekend with no cupcake bullshit games. And how will they respond when Alabama has a losing record some years due to only playing elite teams?
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Mar 25, 2015 18:03
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Declan MacManus posted:Not naming the other team is only funny when Tim Beckman does it (yes yes WildcatWithARedLineThroughIt.jpg) Tim actually picked it up from Urban (who I'm sure got it from someone else). They worked together back at BG. We did that dumb "team up north" thing with Toledo and for the most part now it's been dropped.
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Mar 25, 2015 18:04
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DJExile posted:Tim actually picked it up from Urban (who I'm sure got it from someone else). They worked together back at BG. We did that dumb "team up north" thing with Toledo and for the most part now it's been dropped. "That Team From The Smoking Crater"
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Alouicious posted:"That Team From The Smoking Crater" Detriot doesn't have a team though :???:
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Neil Armbong posted:You acknowledged in your own post that this is different than past issues college has faced for one big reason: TV revenue. Networks are still figuring out how to cope in a streaming world and live sports are still their cash cows for ad dollars. This is why ABC/Disney bought ESPN. Televising games is not the problem. Selling advertising while televising games is the problem. Right now it's completely unregulated and it's being run like the NFL, which is ultimately damaging to the college game. Colleges will have to make a conscious decision that college athletics is not about extracting the maximum possible revenue from their games and strictly limit the number of allowed commercial interruptions in their broadcasts. Universities are non-profit establishments, after all. That will be a bitter pill to swallow, but a necessary one. Many have pointed out the the proper model for running college athletics is more akin to a church than a business. The faithful are willing to tithe to a certain level, but they get turned off if they think they're being fleeced. Much of the uproar at Michigan recently has been over this very issue. Fans did not want an "NFL experience" and rebelled. College football is fundamentally different and those in charge of it need to recognize that. The whole television problem has been developing for decades and is partly a monster of the NCAA's own making. Back in the '50s, they saw the amount of money the NFL was starting to bring in and they embraced television money as a way to get numerous cash-starved programs some extra income. They had fairly strict rules on how often teams could appear on TV and how the money was to be distributed. Their solution wasn't great, but an attempt at keeping things fair, anyway. A court case in 1984 stripped the NCAA of TV broadcast rights, and the whole problem has mushroomed since then. It's really only been the last 10 years or so that it has really gotten out of hand, and there is no body with the authority to put a limit on it. That's why I would like to see an FCC-style governmental organization to handle it all. It's not an easy problem to solve, which is why everyone involved is going to postpone the day of reckoning as long as possible. That's also why it's going to end up as a massive trainwreck at some point in the near future.
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Deteriorata posted:
This is never, ever going to happen.
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Mar 25, 2015 18:32
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Okay. Det lost me with that one.
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In reagards to Ohio State's QB situation: "That's the only thing that's starting to eat away at me a little bit" - Urban Meyer Oh no he's getting ulcers you guys  Also apparently if Clemson were to somehow win a national championship, Dabo would get $900,000. More than any other coach's bonus for the same situation. http://espn.go.com/college-football...=espnapi_public
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Thoguh posted:And how will they respond when Alabama has a losing record some years due to only playing elite teams? The very concept of the undefeated team is an aberration in sports in the first place. It has more to do with the brevity of the schedule and cherry picking a quarter of your schedule that anything else. It'll take some time, but we can adapt.
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Deteriorata posted:Many have pointed out the the proper model for running college athletics is more akin to a church than a business. The faithful are willing to tithe to a certain level, but they get turned off if they think they're being fleeced. Churches grab every bit of revenue they can, especially those mega church guys. ADs should donate more money to the academic side if anything, that would do more social good than giving networks a windfall by charging them less than market value for prime programming. When UF's AD has a big year they just give like $3 million to the College of Arts and Sciences.
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Thoguh posted:Okay. Det lost me with that one. This is a classic "Tragedy of the Common" situation. It is in no school's individual interest to limit their revenues from TV broadcasts, so they won't - even if they realize that collectively it's destroying the sport. It's going to require an outside regulator to make them do it.
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Mar 25, 2015 18:46
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Deteriorata posted:Televising games is not the problem. Selling advertising while televising games is the problem. Right now it's completely unregulated and it's being run like the NFL, which is ultimately damaging to the college game. Again, you bring your weird, Michigan maize tinted view to the sport in general, and I bring the polar opposite Texas view. We're already through the NFL experience looking glass and no one is really complaining for things to go back to how they were. Nothing will be done about TV. No one has the will or the power to do that and you're a bit delusional if you think the free-market philosophy that dominates our congress will do a drat thing to regulate sports broadcasting any further. And again you don't acknowledge that the Big 10, no doubt with the backing of Michigan, started their own network and had a hand in kicking television contracts and broadcasting of college sports to the stratosphere it's now in. Michigan fans may be against the 'nfl experience', but no loving way they'll tolerate their school falling behind in the arms race in the pursuit of some ideal that has never really existed, like many pined about 'golden times'.
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Colleges exist to make money and monetizing a bunch of teenagers and young adults playing modern day gladiator games is a great way to do that.
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Neil Armbong posted:And again you don't acknowledge that the Big 10, no doubt with the backing of Michigan, started their own network and had a hand in kicking television contracts and broadcasting of college sports to the stratosphere it's now in. I'm not getting you, here. The only reason the Big 10 network exists is because the NCAA lost its rights over broadcasts. Everything after that was inevitable. That the Big 10 network was first is irrelevant - it's a step somebody was going to take once the lid was off, and it didn't really matter who.
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Deteriorata posted:I'm not getting you, here. The only reason the Big 10 network exists is because the NCAA lost its rights over broadcasts. Everything after that was inevitable. That the Big 10 network was first is irrelevant - it's a step somebody was going to take once the lid was off, and it didn't really matter who. That Michigan isn't as adverse to getting money/commercializing the sport as you think. But not the clearest point, for sure.
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