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For all the talk about workplace protection laws, I reckon if one of our major (£million-plus) clients punched me over cold cuts they'd get away with it. We had a director from one of our bigger clients show up drunk to an after work do and start swinging for people and we all got told to get on with it because complaining might have cost us the contract. The system can be twisted, the BBC have just, for whatever reason, chosen not to.
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DOOMocrat posted:They write like, four pages of the magazine and the magazine is very popular. They write one article a week on the website and the website is very popular. "Top Gear" is bigger than Jezza. I hope you realize print media and a TV show that hinges on the personality and chemistry of the presenters are two very different things. Dumping 3 new presenters into a show with all the same stunts and trappings will ring false. The alternative is jut to do a whole brand new show. That's valid, but it also won't be Top Gear anymore.
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Mar 25, 2015 16:12
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CommieGIR posted:The BBC would probably have to deal with an even deeper and more stringent investigation for letting both verbal abuse and physical assault get passed over, especially considering they had already told Clarkson he was on thin ice... No, none of it would come out until 2050 when he's dead and buried. Then they BBC would release a report that said "yup, he was a dickbag" and nobody would really care. I wonder if there were tiff neidell or vicky butler purists who said top gear would fail in 2002 because they weren't included.
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Mar 25, 2015 16:13
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https://twitter.com/skynews/status/580736158029623296 James May
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At the same time, you can very plainly point to Fifth Gear as proof that you have to capture a certain amount of magic with the presenters in order to be successful. Let's not forget that their brand of Top Gear was cancelled. The show is going to have to evolve into something else. The question is, will it survive long enough to do so successfully?
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Ripoff posted:So did you get that from Reddit or another internet cesspool? It's from this internet cesspool.
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:For all the talk about workplace protection laws, I reckon if one of our major (£million-plus) clients punched me over cold cuts they'd get away with it. We had a director from one of our bigger clients show up drunk to an after work do and start swinging for people and we all got told to get on with it because complaining might have cost us the contract. If its private yes. If its involving a celeb and its major news not a chance in hell of it being swept under the carpet. The BBC had literally no other option legally but to fire him. Its also the same reason why no UK company will now touch him, Sky have reportedly already said they will not hire him. None UK companies are the only one who could take the risks involved. ukle fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Mar 25, 2015 |
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That hat.
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So, why has everyone suddenly turned around and claimed that this is the inescapable conclusion of Jezza's actions? I think if you didn't already guess that this is pretty much exactly what happened, you were being willfully dense. Were Jeremy's actions reasonable or acceptable? No, but I feel like there should be a better way out of it for everyone involved.
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Mar 25, 2015 16:23
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Powershift posted:No, none of it would come out until 2050 when he's dead and buried. Then they BBC would release a report that said "yup, he was a dickbag" and nobody would really care. He reported it himself. He knew he was in trouble, and he'd been a dickbag one too many times. PT6A posted:No, but I feel like there should be a better way out of it for everyone involved. Like what? Another warning? How many has he gotten now?
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Powershift posted:I wonder if there were tiff neidell or vicky butler purists who said top gear would fail in 2002 because they weren't included. Yes there were, for definitely about Tiff remember having discussions about it back than as Tiff was seen as good, oh how times change.
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ukle posted:If its involving a celeb and its major news not a chance in hell of it being swept under the carpet. 
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PT6A posted:So, why has everyone suddenly turned around and claimed that this is the inescapable conclusion of Jezza's actions? I think if you didn't already guess that this is pretty much exactly what happened, you were being willfully dense. Kinda figured the investigation would have more details than have already been repeated in the press. It can't even manage to say he punched him, just that he "was struck , resulting in swelling and bleeding to his lip."
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I'm honestly surprised at this. They seemed to really waffle over the decision, which led me to think they were going to wait for the firestorm to die out, slap him on the wrist, and keep on truckin'. I feel like if they were going to fire him, they should have done it out of hand, since they're now publicly on record, not IMMEDIATELY firing someone for workplace violence. Still sad to see it happen, either way. Nobody deserves to get punched over a deli tray, but Top Gear UK was quite possibly the best show. ...In the world.
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In the interest of preserving the show, they should just fine him a bunch of money and strip him of any power over what goes into the show. All he would get to do is be a host. But they can't backtrack now, so hopefully some US network picks him up.
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quote:There cannot be one rule for one and one rule for another dictated by either rank, or public relations and commercial considerations. Sweet so I can punch the poo poo out of my boss for 30 seconds and not be arrested for assault? Nice!
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meatpimp posted:England leading the SJW charge. Sometimes people get mad and come to blows. Then they get over it. Well, before the SJW crew comes in and then it's a reprehensible action and unrecoverable. Please cite your sources.
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Honestly, how did you UK folks not have any idea this guy was a diddler? This pic sets off pretty much every single alarm.
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Love(d) the show (though at this point it's a bit tired) but I'm with the BBC on this one. Sucks that something we all like is dying but it's a consequence of acting like a shithead. All those guys will land on their feet so really we're the only ones who suffer here. Who knows, maybe some american network will pick them up? Conspiracy - Ferrari is behind this so they don't have to race the Ferrari "the Ferrari" against the P1 and the porsche.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Good news is, Top Gear will (probably) return next year, in some form, and the remaining programmes of this series will hopefully be shown. Ah ha ha. Yeah. "Guardian Article posted:Top Gear, being so far behind the curve, would only be able to catch up if it undertook a radical rethink of its value system. I suggest an eco-feminist approach. In the first place, they need to incorporate the obvious concerns of the entire industry, to produce cars that get you places without needless waste. It’s not wholemeal and boring. What does an intelligent species do, faced with a problem? It finds daring answers. It doesn’t plough into a ditch and laugh. I fully expect that with all the hand-wringing and SJW bullshit that the BBC will basically try to deliver a "socially aware, forward thinking car show for the future" or some such twaddle. This of course misses the point that the target audience for that show drives appliance cars, don't care about cars or car shows. The other option is to try to recreate the current show, which will also satisfy pretty much no one. It does seem pretty likely that the three of them will do something together, at least tangentially related to cars and I'll watch that - but the BBC TG franchise can go and gently caress itself (some more).
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To be fair, I know quite a few people who are cars-are-appliances types, who watch Top Gear... ...For the interactions between Clarkson, May, and Hammond. gently caress, that still doesn't work. 
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Blitter posted:I fully expect that with all the hand-wringing and SJW bullshit that the BBC will basically try to deliver a "socially aware, forward thinking car show for the future" or some such twaddle. You think this is cute and insightful. Its not. Keep the reddit level conservatism to yourself.
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While Top Gear is definitely a larger entity than its three hosts, too much of the appeal of the show was tied up in the hosts directly, or at the very least the specials/challenges/writing that they did themselves. When the BBC bring pseudo-Top Gear back with three new hosts, people will either be horribly disappointed because it's not the same writing as before, or horribly disappointed because the new people will try their very hardest to do a Clarkson impersonation and fail miserably. They could potentially try and succeed with an entirely new Top Gear formula that fits the new hosts, but we've seen that tried out with the various variations of the show and they never equal or surpass the original. People will definitely watch the first episode of a new Top Gear, but the ratings will crash and burn for each subsequent episode. I'm thinking that once the BBC see the smoldering money making machine they've destroyed, they'll eventually come around and rehire the old hosts. It'll be a ratings bonanza and the money will flow in more than ever. This, of course, is only if the trio don't fully commit themselves to another network/company to host a new show themselves and hate the BBC forever. While a new show on Netflix/somewhere else will potentially have the same flavour as the old TG, it won't have the same bang and it will definitely be "worse". There are enormous sums of money that the show is used to running on, and it's rare that someone else will be able to write the check immediately. This is also not including the backstage talent that will/will not follow them to the new show, the music copyright issue, the fact that I'm sure most of TG's set pieces are owned by the BBC, and the massive clout the BBC has to do fuckall whatever it wants. Also, Clarkson is a cock for punching someone and ruining everything. He was already on thin ice for all the other dumb things that have happened and if those didn't exist I'm sure he would have come out fine. But the BBC themselves decided to go for the straight-laced decision and sack him, which while is "correct" is just shooting themselves in the foot in the eyes of the substantial amount of people who support Clarkson.
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dreesemonkey posted:Love(d) the show (though at this point it's a bit tired) This. The schtick has gotten reeeeeally old and I can't see a way to breathe new life into the show without a new set of hosts. It won't be Top Gear as we know it but I'm not sure that's an entirely bad thing.
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CommieGIR posted:You think this is cute and insightful. Its not. Keep the reddit level conservatism to yourself. Agreed and that the Eco feminism article is def not funny as hell!!!
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I bet Jeremy is happy that he sold his share of Top Gear back to the BBC since it's very likely that it won't be worth nearly as much with a new cast.ukle posted:North Yorkshire Police are now investigating the incident. Why'd they wait? They could have done their investigation simultaneously with the BBC. Now this will get dragged out in the media longer. ZippySLC fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Mar 25, 2015 |
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North Yorkshire Police are now investigating the incident. http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/15214 quote:North Yorkshire Police is liaising with the BBC regarding the alleged incident in North Yorkshire involving Jeremy Clarkson.
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The Top Gear UK chat show format should persevere. If you want challenges every week, TGUS is there for that. I just hope they don't try to "spice it up" and do that whole bit.
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Bape Culture posted:Agreed and that the Eco feminism article is def not funny as hell!!! But your post history is 
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I'm now wondering what impact this is going to have on BBC-A and their original programming. Top Gear was their ratings cash cow and I'm sure it funded a lot of things like Orphan Black. I wouldn't be surprised to see them drastically scale back their original programming after this.
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CommieGIR posted:But your post history is Thank u
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bull3964 posted:I'm now wondering what impact this is going to have on BBC-A and their original programming. Top Gear was their ratings cash cow and I'm sure it funded a lot of things like Orphan Black. I wouldn't be surprised to see them drastically scale back their original programming after this. They still got Sherlock and Doctor Who and we still got dumb teenage girls, so they'll be fine.
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bull3964 posted:I'm now wondering what impact this is going to have on BBC-A and their original programming. Top Gear was their ratings cash cow and I'm sure it funded a lot of things like Orphan Black. I wouldn't be surprised to see them drastically scale back their original programming after this. Top Gear is one of the most pirated shows worldwide, so I expect the impact to be minimal. And isn't Orphan Black CBC and not BBC?
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PT6A posted:So, why has everyone suddenly turned around and claimed that this is the inescapable conclusion of Jezza's actions? I think if you didn't already guess that this is pretty much exactly what happened, you were being willfully dense. Were Jeremy's actions reasonable or acceptable? No, but I feel like there should be a better way out of it for everyone involved. By all accounts Oisin really didn't want this to be the outcome either. But there was a whole hotel full of witnesses and it would've made the press at some point or another and the BBC can't exactly weather another "coverup" scandal. For all of the joke posts about Saville, the BBC got (rightfully) eviscerated over it, and not that long ago at that. CommieGIR posted:He reported it himself. He knew he was in trouble, and he'd been a dickbag one too many times. The irony is that Oisin was apparently sure that if anybody'd get fired over it, it would be him. smackfu posted:Kinda figured the investigation would have more details than have already been repeated in the press. It can't even manage to say he punched him, just that he "was struck , resulting in swelling and bleeding to his lip." It's probably the result of pre-emptive damage control for what I'm assuming would've been a possible "slap on the wrist, nothing more" outcome. The Beeb' obviously struggled over their decision and if there were any chance of them keeping him without kicking over a different hornets' nest, I'm sure they'd have taken it. But you can't release a heavily-detailed report with the content that witnesses/etc have talked about and keep him on without an outcry. Not after the Saville debacle and definitely not after the years of controversy. People treating this as evidence of the BBC's leftward bias are ridiculous and stupid given how massively important TG is as a property to them. If it had been that, they'd have sacked him years ago, and they sure as hell wouldn't have been throwing obscene amounts of money at him to basically to do his show and manage his public image however the hell he wanted for so long. Also because the idea of "eco-feminist SJW socialism ruining everything" is basically the TV equivalent of GamerGate.
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Has this been posted yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6cfFnBNELs Anyway, Clarkson is an idiot but firing him is just stupid. How many people involved in TG production are going to be hosed because of this? They should have just fined him a billion pounds or whatever and moved on with life. The BBC are shooting themselves and every little guy who works on the show at the same time.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:The irony is that Oisin was apparently sure that if anybody'd get fired over it, it would be him. If BBC had been an American company, it would have been him, so his worries were probably genuine. Symphoric posted:Anyway, Clarkson is an idiot but firing him is just stupid. How many people involved in TG production are going to be hosed because of this? They should have just fined him a billion pounds or whatever and moved on with life. The BBC are shooting themselves and every little guy who works on the show at the same time. This assumes the show would continue forever, the show has been going for....what, nearly ten years in its current form? Shows don't last forever, this is not a factory, shows and and most production teams know that. It sucks, and its a kick in the pants, but that's show business.
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Wasabi the J posted:They still got Sherlock and Doctor Who and we still got dumb teenage girls, so they'll be fine. The BBC can't live on fat girls alone.
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Symphoric posted:Has this been posted yet? Clarkson has enough money that he wouldn't notice a fine. No, what they really should've done is made him do all the unpleasant bits during the challenges for the next two seasons. Hammond gets the Velociraptor, and Clarkson can freeze his rear end off in a tent.
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