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The only thing is that I doubt they've be able to find another venue for this year, since I'm sure that the whole industry has already financially prepped and invested into this year's con, not to mention finding a large enough venue on short notice. I mean, who knows they might be able to shift the whole thing somewhere else before the summer, but I'd be really surprised.
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Evil Mastermind posted:The only thing is that I doubt they've be able to find another venue for this year, since I'm sure that the whole industry has already financially prepped and invested into this year's con, not to mention finding a large enough venue on short notice. Impossible. They've already done the hotel bookings, which means people have their flights, etc.
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Mar 24, 2015 23:30
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General Ironicus posted:Impossible. They've already done the hotel bookings, which means people have their flights, etc. That's what I figured, yeah. I don't know if normal congoers have started booking and whatnot, but I know that dealers and industry folks know the dates and things well in advance.
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Mar 24, 2015 23:33
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Evil Mastermind posted:That's what I figured, yeah. I don't know if normal congoers have started booking and whatnot, but I know that dealers and industry folks know the dates and things well in advance. Not only have people started booking, but most hotels were full within hours of reservations going up.
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Evil Mastermind posted:The only thing is that I doubt they've be able to find another venue for this year, since I'm sure that the whole industry has already financially prepped and invested into this year's con, not to mention finding a large enough venue on short notice. The language in the letter made it sound like they wouldn't renew their contract with Indianapolis after the current term is up rather than break the agreement. Although I think 2015 might be the last year of the current term anyways.
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Pope Guilty posted:Vampire has the Daughters of Cacophony, an all-female bloodline. People whined about it and came up with the name "Sons of Discord" for male members, so eventually one of the Revised books mentioned that the Daughters had recently murdered all non-female members of the bloodline.. And oh, the crying... They were what I called a trap bloodline in high school because it usually attracted the worst players and their discipline was relatively bad. They also added in "male" Black Furies in Werewolf but they're always metis, who are naturally sterile. I guess some guys really wanted to wield a labrys and get mediocre gifts. Revised as an edition was all about male inclusion. A running trend in White Wolf books is that the all female groups all have pretty average to terrible special powers. There's no real reason to be arguing to play any of them when the other tribes had much better gifts and weren't walking gender stereotypes*. *They're almost always ethnic stereotypes. The Black Furies are a twofer because they're the tribe of Greek 90's feminist stereotypes. Evil Mastermind posted:GenCon has released a letter/statement/thingy in regards to Indiana Governor Mike Pence's support of SB101, a.k.a. the "legal discrimination against them homos" bill. This is pretty awesome and hopefully it'll get the governor and some legislators to rethink their decisions. I have a good feeling it won't but one can always hope.
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Evil Mastermind posted:GenCon has released a letter/statement/thingy in regards to Indiana Governor Mike Pence's support of SB101, a.k.a. the "legal discrimination against them homos" bill. Nice. I hope it's not just an empty threat.
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GimpInBlack posted:The language in the letter made it sound like they wouldn't renew their contract with Indianapolis after the current term is up rather than break the agreement. Although I think 2015 might be the last year of the current term anyways. 2020 is the last year of the current contract.
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nesbit37 posted:2020 is the last year of the current contract. You are correct; I just noticed the article I was looking at was from 2009. I guess then the big question is whether or not Indiana can levy penalties for breaking that contract.
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Mar 25, 2015 01:46
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Any penalties will be specified in the contract.
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Could GenCon cite their religious convictions and refuse to do business with a bigoted state?
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Every competently-written contract has a termination clause. What it generally comes down to is whether/what the conditions (often costs) are for unilateral termination.
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Leperflesh posted:Every competently-written contract has a termination clause. What it generally comes down to is whether/what the conditions (often costs) are for unilateral termination. The more recent articles say that GenCon isn't looking at breaking the contract, just factoring Indiana's hatefull trolls into its next move in 2020.
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homullus posted:The more recent articles say that GenCon isn't looking at breaking the contract, just factoring Indiana's hatefull trolls into its next move in 2020. And, given that his has gotten coverage in the mainstream media, making as much hay/public shaming about it in the process.
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Ratpick posted:For all the talk of the shittiness in this hobby and industry, it's really great seeing one of the big movers and shakers make a stand like this once in a while. Very much appreciated. kaynorr posted:And, given that his has gotten coverage in the mainstream media, making as much hay/public shaming about it in the process. This may, in some weird shameful way, be the most positive press that the gaming industry has gotten in a while :iamafag: It was great to see people who I am pretty sure have never cared about me being a gamer in my life posting on Facebook "HEY LOOK AT THIS!" One of them even literally posted "I guess not ALL gamers are awful!!!" hahaha
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Mar 26, 2015 00:19
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Time to move Gencon to the east coast, where we have rail travel and cheap flights and big highways.
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The Midwesterner in me would hate that, but obviously I would also still attend every year. Also I just keep thinking about how this, like, I do not at ALL think it is a cynical ploy, but it is SO GENIUS because it is already getting huge publicity, and I sincerely doubt there are more gaming inroads to be made with the "boycott all gays" crowd than the "hey maybe treating human beings as equals is cool" crowd.
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Mar 26, 2015 00:57
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Gencon should be in Las Vegas, where there's massive amounts of convention space, loads of hotels, often cheap flights, and generally fine (if often hot) weather. And I could drive there
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Please never Vegas. Don't get me wrong, Vegas is great fun, but I'd rather spend 4 hours in a car than even an hour on any plane. I'm a big guy and aircraft are not built for someone like me. 
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Leperflesh posted:Gencon should be in Las Vegas, where there's massive amounts of convention space, loads of hotels, often cheap flights, and generally fine (if often hot) weather. And I could drive there Are you kidding? I know how well gaming nerds handle statistics. The casinos would eat them alive.
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The show really needs to stay in the midwest, it's where all the small and medium sized gaming companies are. Every time they've tried to do a show on the west coast it's failed because very few vendors showed up. Vegas is also a really lovely place to run a convention, unless you're pulling in CES numbers it's not worth the trouble.
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Pretty lovely that the governor seems to be going through with it. Guess I better get the most out of the last couple of years they're here because I probably won't be able to go to wherever they put it next unless it's in a neighboring state.
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It really will be interesting to see what happens. I mean, gaming in the traditional sense seen at Gen Con seems baked into the Midwest, but of course the gaming world has expanded endlessly and now is just as spread out as gamers themselves. It would make me sad to have to go to Denver or Atlanta or something for Gen-Con, but I basically took a blood oath to attend forever, and you know how those blood oaths are. Edit: Haha right, Atlanta, I am sure Georgia's LGBTQ policies are going to be progressive enough to attract them
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I really liked Indianapolis the couple of times I went, but, well, I'm from loving Topeka.
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I appreciate the gesture, but I highly doubt Gen Con is in a position to break their just signed 5 year contract over this. I suspect the likely outcome will be, the bill gets signed, it's immediately challenged and by 2020 when the current contract is up it will have been overturned by the courts.
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See you nerds at GenCon St. Louis.
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Bucnasti posted:I suspect the likely outcome will be, the bill gets signed, it's immediately challenged and by 2020 when the current contract is up it will have been overturned by the courts. GenConSt.Lou2K16 Gen-Con Lee's Summit
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Quarex posted:... Ha! I'd loving love to see them try to move to the KC metro area (let alone Lee's Summit.) I'd say we have the con space, but everything is so spread out around here it would suck to have try to hold a con that big here. We might have more hotel rooms than Indy has right now, but that's only if you count the entire metro area, parking sucks on the best of days, and public transit in KC is a loving joke. And that's assuming that weekend doesn't have a concert or a basketball game.
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If GenCon was in Lee's Summit I would totally go. That's within spitting distance of my house. Anyway, there's always the Overland Park Convention Center, I'm rather fond of that venue.
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Quarex posted:It really will be interesting to see what happens. I mean, gaming in the traditional sense seen at Gen Con seems baked into the Midwest, but of course the gaming world has expanded endlessly and now is just as spread out as gamers themselves. It would make me sad to have to go to Denver or Atlanta or something for Gen-Con, but I basically took a blood oath to attend forever, and you know how those blood oaths are. Regardless of Georgia's social politics, GenCon will never be in Atlanta because the DragonCon holding company has been moving to stomp pretty much any other nerdy kind of convention before it can take root and challenge them in the slightest. Like, they literally created a comic convention for a year just to block attempts at a ComiCon South or some other drat thing. Atlanta itself isn't bad, but man, the state assembly is almost as terrible as Texas or the Carolinas these days.
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grassy gnoll posted:Regardless of Georgia's social politics, GenCon will never be in Atlanta because the DragonCon holding company has been moving to stomp pretty much any other nerdy kind of convention before it can take root and challenge them in the slightest. Like, they literally created a comic convention for a year just to block attempts at a ComiCon South or some other drat thing. Wow, nerds find a way to make everything terrible
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clockworkjoe posted:Wow, nerds find a way to make everything terrible I'd be shocked if the people making bank off DragonCon, and making these decisions, are people who actually frequent and enjoy the con
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In my fantasy world, it all comes full circle and they return to Milwaukee.
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It was a nice gesture on the part of GenCon, but it looks like the bill is getting signed regardless. Weird because apparently even the NCAA is against it too, but I guess it was kinda a foregone conclusion anyways. But like ya'll said, it'll get challenged and struck down pretty quickly, probably either alongside the gay marriage ruling in June or a little after, so GenCon isn't really in any danger of moving. There goes my dream of seeing it move anywhere closer to Georgia (not in Georgia though, please do not come to my state).
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Yeah come on, Gencon Philly. It'll be great.
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Bucnasti posted:In my fantasy world, it all comes full circle and they return to Milwaukee. In that same fantasy world, Wisconsin is likely not trying to outdo other red states in scorched-earth conservative policy. I would love it if it came back to Milwaukee, though -- I haven't been to a not-Milwaukee GenCon. Though if we're developing fantasy scenarios, why not Lake Geneva, WI (population 8,000). They could buy the building The Dungeon was in and make it a year-round museum/game store.
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homullus posted:Though if we're developing fantasy scenarios, why not Lake Geneva, WI (population 8,000). They could buy the building The Dungeon was in and make it a year-round museum/game store. I was there last year (even went to the Horticultural Hall). Dropping a GenCon on it is sort of like dropping Woodstock on Woodstock: almost cruel and unusual.
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Bucnasti posted:In my fantasy world, it all comes full circle and they return to Milwaukee. While that would be neat in some ways (easier for a few of my friends to make it), and while the conference hall there is probably still big enough, one of the main reasons they left in the first place was that the hotel infrastructure wasn't good enough to house the con. And I sadly guarantee you that it hasn't been fixed in the intervening years. I'd root for Seattle personally, but our convention hall couldn't even handle an early PAX particularly gracefully. There'd be other venues that are less claustrophobic. 
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