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Speaking of crazier things: Family was watching CNN during dinner. Here's what I learned from a panel of experts (Except Richard Quest, who was the only sane one there despite being a former meth addict): Cyberwarfare was a possibility Someone else on the plane could have smashed through the unarmoured bulkhead between the lavatory walls and the cockpit to get into the cockpit The crew could have gone insane Connected to the above, the fact that Lufthansa has yet to release any info about the pilots means that something is going on (because emotions or time to grieve or whatever isn't a thing) Most importantly, three Americans were on board.
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RE: Germanwings crashhttp://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html posted:A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter. Pretty scary poo poo. Lightbulb Out fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Mar 26, 2015 |
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Mar 26, 2015 00:52
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Lightbulb Out posted:RE: Germanwings crash Sounds like the pilot committed suicide, well it reads that way. If there was accidental depressurization what are the odds anyone was awake for the actual impact?
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Mar 26, 2015 00:59
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Lightbulb Out posted:RE: Germanwings crash holy poo poo
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Mar 26, 2015 01:02
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 A picture of the CVR from the Germanwings accident. Goddamn.
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Regnevelc posted:Sounds like the pilot committed suicide, well it reads that way. If it was a case of the aircraft never pressurizing or slowly decompressing, most of the passengers and crew would likely have been unconscious, but the fact that the crew still would have gotten various warnings about the cabin pressure once it went above about 8-10,000ft makes that somewhat unlikely. If it were an explosive decompression (and subsequent emergency decent going horribly wrong), there's a good chance at least some of the passengers (and probably most of the crew) would have been concious, since the aircrft would have rapidly been heading into thicker air, and the flight attendants would have started using oxygen pretty much immediately after the decompression.
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Regnevelc posted:Sounds like the pilot committed suicide, well it reads that way. So, I'm not fully versed on how the doors to the cockpit are locked. If someone leaves the cockpit, do they have a key to get in and out and there's an additional deadbolt to fully bar entry or do they leave the door unlocked for the time it takes them to go to the bathroom or something?
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bull3964 posted:So, I'm not fully versed on how the doors to the cockpit are locked. If someone leaves the cockpit, do they have a key to get in and out and there's an additional deadbolt to fully bar entry or do they leave the door unlocked for the time it takes them to go to the bathroom or something? Electronic keypads on lots of flights, I think.
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Lightbulb Out posted:RE: Germanwings crash Well at least he wasn't chanting "tawkalt ala allah"
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I will say the New York Times coverage has been very measured, even and thorough. In several articles about the crash, they have included clear bullet point insets of what is known and unknown, repeated mentions that air crash investigations take months or years to be completed, named sources for any major claims, and included very clear graphic presentations. Obviously television reporting is supremely bad, but give the grey lady her due.
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Mar 26, 2015 01:31
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Zoodpipe posted:
The important bit looks to be in good shape though!
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Mar 26, 2015 01:33
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Pilot leaves the cockpit for a piss after the plane reaches cruising altitude, co-pilot croaks and in his death sends the plane into a gentle descent where it plows into an alp.
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Mar 26, 2015 01:33
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Linedance posted:The important bit looks to be in good shape though! Are the recording bits located in the cylindrical piece?
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Mar 26, 2015 01:50
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ManifunkDestiny posted:Pilot leaves the cockpit for a piss after the plane reaches cruising altitude, co-pilot croaks and in his death sends the plane into a gentle descent where it plows into an alp. 3500fpm isn't gentle at all.
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Mar 26, 2015 01:50
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Zoodpipe posted:Are the recording bits located in the cylindrical piece? That's where the data is stored, the part we want access to, yes. I think the thing on the left is the locator beacon and thing on the right is recording equipment. at least if CNN guy is to be believed
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bobfather posted:Electronic keypads on lots of flights, I think. A320 manual says there is a keypad: http://nicmosis.as.arizona.edu:8000/ECLIPSE_WEB/TSE2015/A320_DOCUMENTS/A320_Operating_Manual_PDF_N_FCOM_RJA_TF_N_EU__20130329_DSC_25.pdf quote:When the flight crew does not respond to requests for entry, the door can also be unlocked by
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CharlesM posted:That's where the data is stored, the part we want access to, yes. I think the thing on the left is the locator beacon and thing on the right is recording equipment. at least if CNN guy is to be believed The cylinder is where the memory is, encased in essentially layers of metal and cement and fire resistant composites and such. The crushed bit is basically circuitry and interface, the silver cylinder on the left is mainly the battery for the locator beacon, which is essentially just a vibrator that buzzes for as long as the battery holds out.
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Mar 26, 2015 02:08
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Regnevelc posted:If there was accidental depressurization what are the odds anyone was awake for the actual impact? I doubt it would matter one way or another. You wouldn't have enough time to register what just happened if the airplane you're riding in plows into a mountainside at 500+ MPH in the dead of night.
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Frinkahedron posted:A320 manual says there is a keypad: What is 
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Mar 26, 2015 02:09
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Frinkahedron posted:A320 manual says there is a keypad: Depends on what the airline selects, and what the regulatory body requires. I would think most airlines have some type of keypad system, but the exact model will differ and configuration would differ from airline to airline.
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Geoj posted:I doubt it would matter one way or another. You wouldn't have enough time to register what just happened if the airplane you're riding in plows into a mountainside at 500+ MPH in the dead of night. True. But wasn't it in the afternoon?
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Late morning. Not sure why I thought it was in the middle of the night.
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Linedance posted:Depends on what the airline selects, and what the regulatory body requires. I would think most airlines have some type of keypad system, but the exact model will differ and configuration would differ from airline to airline. That's what I figured, although if this could have been prevented by requiring a keypad, I imagine it'll get required by everyone pretty soon.
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Linedance posted:Depends on what the airline selects, and what the regulatory body requires. I would think most airlines have some type of keypad system, but the exact model will differ and configuration would differ from airline to airline. The ones I see have the electronic lock, but also a multiposition physical lock. Its positions are Open, Locked (key operable) and Locked (key inoperable)
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Regnevelc posted:True. But wasn't it in the afternoon? 10:41 AM local time.
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Frinkahedron posted:That's what I figured, although if this could have been prevented by requiring a keypad, I imagine it'll get required by everyone pretty soon. 9/11 is what required everyone to have "enhanced security" doors and controlled access systems, but the FAA probably didn't spell out exactly what kind of controlled access system. If you never operate in US airspace, although EASA would likely have similar regulations, you might not have to comply with what the FAA tell you to have installed.
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smooth jazz posted:Submitted without comment,
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Spaced God posted:What's the context of this? DLH493 is a Vancouver-Frankfurt run? Predates the crash It's basically the rudest and most hostile a Canadian has ever been too. Edit: the XXMAR15 is the year, not the day, duh; but I did see it before the crash! Cocoa Crispies fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Mar 26, 2015 |
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ED: ^^^ Oh Lufthansa
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Regnevelc posted:Sounds like the pilot committed suicide, well it reads that way. This is Approach Magazine, published by NAVAIR safety center (American naval air command safety). Basically, you have an emergency, declare an emergency, w/e, you are HIGHLY encouraged to write to them, they publish your article. More of a lessons learned, maybe I should've done this over that to prevent this emergency kinda thing. These are handed out every month in every naval aviation squadron and always have great stories-- from deployed squadrons down to flight school http://www.public.navy.mil/comnavsafecen/Documents/media/magazines/approach/2015_Jan-Feb.pdf check out the article on page 10. Growler (F-18G) backseater didn't wear his mask, got hypoxic. Even with full oxygen flowing after pulling the green ring, he says it takes ten mins to be free of the effets. And he wasn't wearing his mask in a somewhat pressurized cockpit. No pressure at FL 380? If you don't get that mask on within a few seconds, you're consciousness/brain is done
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Bob A Feet posted:This is Approach Magazine, published by NAVAIR safety center (American naval air command safety). Basically, you have an emergency, declare an emergency, w/e, you are HIGHLY encouraged to write to them, they publish your article. More of a lessons learned, maybe I should've done this over that to prevent this emergency kinda thing. These are handed out every month in every naval aviation squadron and always have great stories-- from deployed squadrons down to flight school In the same vein, NASA publishes "Callback," a safety newsletter for civilian aviation: http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/publications/callback.html
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Cocoa Crispies posted:
Haha, yeah, most likely the disgruntled ground staff typed it up on a terminal, hit "print screen", and immediately felt bad and promptly deleted it. Bob A Feet posted:No pressure at FL 380? If you don't get that mask on within a few seconds, you're consciousness/brain is done I remember one of my instructors in college described the training he underwent for this (I'm pretty sure it was for the miltary), where they sit you in a pressurized chamber and suddenly evacuate all the pressure to simulate (or I suppose actually create) a rapid decompression. He described it as the whole chamber instantly filling with dense fog and if you haven't got your mask out and on in a couple of seconds, you're out cold. And you had to do it until you could get your mask on successfully.
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Yeah the stuff they tell you about securing your mask before anyone elses ie your child is no poo poo.
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Papers all around the world are quoting the NY Times on one of the pilots being shut out and trying to smash the door down. It also says the flight data recorder was found, but was missing its memory card, perhaps thrown clear on impact. Holy poo poo if true, then it looks like a pilot suicide. But there is something about it which smells funny. There are ways to open the door from the outside, by design. Perhaps you can block it by pulling a circuit breaker, I have no idea. But the flight data recorder being found without its memory card is equally a weird piece of exclusive news. It's not a compact flash sitting in an open slot, is it? I hope this isn't true, but it seems too incredible to make up as well. Holy poo poo if it's true, holy poo poo the NY Times is dead if it isn't.
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I'm waiting for someone at CNN to remember the opening scene of the second Mission Impossible movie. I also think CNN latches onto plane crash stories because they secretly hate their viewership, who are usually just about to board airplanes. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Mar 26, 2015 |
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Ola posted:Papers all around the world are quoting the NY Times on one of the pilots being shut out and trying to smash the door down. It also says the flight data recorder was found, but was missing its memory card, perhaps thrown clear on impact. The BBC has been quoting the same thing, though they're saying there's no issue with the flight recorder data, just that it will take time to analyse.
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Barnsy posted:The BBC has been quoting the same thing, though they're saying there's no issue with the flight recorder data, just that it will take time to analyse. Yeah the memory card thing sounds weird. But maybe it was another black hole that just popped up and BLOOP sucked the memory card into another dimension.
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