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dr_rat: Jun 4, 2001

Graic Gabtar posted:

Let's be honest about Tasmania dude though. He's not exactly setting himself much of a challenge is he?

Google maps gives it as 259k's and 53 hours walk doing about 5k an hour.

You could probably make a pretty relaxing week of it.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 10:07

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Jonah Galtberg: Feb 11, 2009

Murodese posted:

Actually, it was more suggesting that we were getting ridiculously off topic, which we were, and now we're even more off topic.

quote:

This seems like an argument you should be having in YOSPOS, Smeg. I hear there's plenty of OS-warriors there

I think any fair-minded goon would agree that this is an accurate representation of what you said

# ? Mar 26, 2015 10:14

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

So uh, data retention bill just passed.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 10:15

Serrath: Mar 17, 2005; I have nothing of value to contribute; Ham Wrangler

bowmore posted:

So uh, data retention bill just passed.

Shouldn't be a concern if you're not a terrorist

# ? Mar 26, 2015 10:25

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

Which means this derail will be retained for two drat years.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 10:25

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

Serrath posted:

Shouldn't be a concern if you're not a terrorist

I dunno, I play mafia a lot does that count?

# ? Mar 26, 2015 10:25

Cleretic: Feb 3, 2010; Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

To save Australia the trouble, I will now list all of the relevant and usable metadata it will receive from my internet use:

# ? Mar 26, 2015 10:34

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

bowmore posted:

So uh, data retention bill just passed.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 10:42

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Here's hoping all the ISPs store all this poo poo on tape and ship it to Canberra one semi trailer load at a time.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 10:42

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Its good though, it isn't like ISIS recruit through social media or any other thing not effected by the data collection.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 10:44

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
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Wish I'd bought a Billion 7800VDOX instead of a VDPX now

# ? Mar 26, 2015 10:44

Mad Katter: Aug 23, 2010; STOP THE BATS

Smegmatron posted:

I didn't say this.

android lol

Thanks for posting this, I'm now going to throw my Nexus 5 in the bin and buy a symbian phone in the year 2015.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 10:50

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Drop the m and I'm in

# ? Mar 26, 2015 11:07

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

Why can't they admit data retention is about piracy?

# ? Mar 26, 2015 11:17

Shirkelton: Apr 6, 2009; I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.

bowmore posted:

Why can't they admit data retention is about piracy?

Because Australia is crawling with pirates. Pirates that vote.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 11:25

Drugs: Jul 16, 2010; I don't like people who take drugs. Customs agents, for example - Albert Einstein

I absolutely love to steal media and these rules will not deter me one iota

# ? Mar 26, 2015 11:29

Drugs: Jul 16, 2010; I don't like people who take drugs. Customs agents, for example - Albert Einstein

I may even decide to steal more media that I have no intention of consuming

# ? Mar 26, 2015 11:29

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Dan Didio posted:

Because Australia is crawling with pirates. Pirates that vote.

And create Darknets.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 12:05

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

What was that ISP that used to run a DC hub?

# ? Mar 26, 2015 12:15

Splode: Jun 18, 2013; put some clothes on you little freak

I knew smegmatron was an idiot but he's really taken it to new heights.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 12:22

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Jumpingmanjim posted:

What was that ISP that used to run a DC hub?

Let me just consult my new metadata portal....

# ? Mar 26, 2015 12:24

Jonah Galtberg: Feb 11, 2009

Splode posted:

I knew smegmatron was an idiot but he's really taken it to new heights.

Don't talk about people behind their backs :mad:

# ? Mar 26, 2015 12:36

Splode: Jun 18, 2013; put some clothes on you little freak

Jonah Galtberg posted:

Don't talk about people behind their backs

Literally kill yourself

# ? Mar 26, 2015 12:39

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bowmore posted:

Why can't they admit data retention is about piracy?

There's actually like a... 40% chance that it isn't. The data retained as part of the metadata retention scheme isn't allowed to be used for civil proceedings, limiting it basically to people performing criminal-scale piracy. Of course, they've probably just written some ridiculous backdoor into it, but for the moment it seems above-board, but also completely useless.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 12:40

Mr Chips: Jun 27, 2007; Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

Jumpingmanjim posted:

What was that ISP that used to run a DC hub?

Adam Internet in Adelaide used to run a second set of ADSL VCI/VPIs that were local to their own DSLAMs in exchanges, so people could run their own DC hubs or private off-net torrent trackers.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 12:42

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
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Jumpingmanjim posted:

What was that ISP that used to run a DC hub?

All of them. It was a WAIX-wide hub.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 12:43

Jonah Galtberg: Feb 11, 2009

Splode posted:

Literally kill yourself

At least you didn't post this in the chat thread

# ? Mar 26, 2015 13:07

GrandTheftAutism: Dec 24, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

The federal election is going to be interesting, to say the least. People might actually have to reconsider two-party thinking.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 13:11

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
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I think this is the first legislation in recent memory that is unpopular as hell among the electorate but was bipartisan?

# ? Mar 26, 2015 13:13

homebrew: Mar 13, 2007; Needs more (safer) beer.

Splode posted:

Literally kill yourself

That's FG's line.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 13:15

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# ? Mar 26, 2015 13:20

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Mr Chips posted:

Adam Internet in Adelaide used to run a second set of ADSL VCI/VPIs that were local to their own DSLAMs in exchanges, so people could run their own DC hubs or private off-net torrent trackers.

CommunityNet was awesome. I don't know if they still run it.

Fun thing about that was if you were staff (like I used to be) and had access to PEM (their DSLAM config software) you could actually get access to all the other CommunityNet exchanges on that "ring". There were two major backhaul rings so you had a pretty good selection.

It was a great setup and the file sharing communities were pretty cool.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 13:35

Cleretic: Feb 3, 2010; Ignore my posts!
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Murodese posted:

There's actually like a... 40% chance that it isn't. The data retained as part of the metadata retention scheme isn't allowed to be used for civil proceedings, limiting it basically to people performing criminal-scale piracy. Of course, they've probably just written some ridiculous backdoor into it, but for the moment it seems above-board, but also completely useless.

Its uselessness makes it really hard to read, is the thing. No matter what it's meant to do, it's badly designed for it; it doesn't collect the right information to be useful in stopping much of anything, it doesn't seem to be usable in any legal context, it's exorbitantly expensive yet passes on none of its costs...

It's hard to say, from its structure, what they actually want the data retention scheme to do. Because whatever they could want to achieve through it, it's a terribly designed system for it.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 13:38

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

I keep trying to convince a politically interested ALP member former comrade to quit the ALP if he's angry about Data Retention (which he is). He said he'd think about it, I get back from a movie, check Facebook and he's created:

Labor Against Data Retention

CHANGE FROM WITHIN IS A DEADLY KOOL-AID

# ? Mar 26, 2015 13:46

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# ? Mar 26, 2015 13:48

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
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I wrote a thing for Facebook:

quote:

I figured a lot of people would have no idea what the new metadata retention laws mean, so I thought I'd write an FAQ on it:
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Q. What changed?
A. The government is now tracking pretty much everything you do, including:
- any phone calls you make/receive and the time/location you are when you make them
- any websites you visit
- any emails that you write to people that go through ISP servers (ie. if you're using an @iinet address, rather than @gmail)
- your real-time location, if you're carrying your phone
- the internet address you're using to access the internet, at all times
All of this data (and more) is kept for a minimum of 2 years.
--
Q. I don't do anything wrong, why should I worry about this?
The current set of laws are pretty small-time, and are designed to be expanded. Even the laws in the current form are pretty radical, though. Here's some examples of stuff they can do:
- Because they're storing real-time locations of everybody, they don't need speed cameras anymore. By tracking your location and relative speed in real-time, it's very easy for them to set up a system that automatically fines anyone that goes over the speed limit - even for a period of seconds.
- If you access your dentist's website to make an appointment and the dentist's site happens to be on the same server as another site hosting child pornography, there's a _very real_ chance that you could be implicated in it. Because they don't store domain names (only IP addresses), they can pretty much just say "IP Address 145.65.45.34 was hosting CP: find anyone that ever connected to it." Because websites share IP addresses for hosting, anybody that's connected to that server is now assoicated to that site. When they bust the CP ring, you'll get your door kicked in and arrested for access of child pornography - even though you never did. The metadata "proves" it, though.
There's also big problems with placing a massive set of personal data in the hands of ISPs, phone companies and security agencies: they're all massive targets for hacking. Even if you're perfectly innocent and do nothing wrong ever and don't jaywalk, never speed and certainly never mention murdering people, there's a pretty good chance you're going to get hosed over when one of these databases gets popped.
--
Q. But at least this is being used to stop terrorists, paedophiles and criminals, right?
A. Well, no. The level of technical expertise needed to completely defeat the metadata retention regime is extremely low. Using a VPN (a security tool commonly used by companies, banks, everybody) defeats it. Using encrypted chat methods defeats it (also very easy). Connecting to internationally-based relay servers effectively defeats it. Using gmail or hotmail defeats it. Using skype, msn, facebook chat, MSN or XMPP defeats it. Using iMessage or Google Talk defeats it. Being in a public cafe and using their wifi defeats it. Being in a library defeats it. Using your work internet defeats it.
Effectively, no terrorist or criminal network will ever be dumb enough to fall under the scheme, and the ones that are dumb enough would've been caught without the laws. Paedophiles are already extremely adept at hiding their communications online, and won't be affected (the majority of busts are by getting agents within the circle).
--
Q. So.. why are they doing it?
A. gently caress knows. The copyright industry (movies, music primarily) donated a literal shitload of cash to the Liberal Party, so that's probably a good indicator. (http://www.itnews.com.au/News/399933,village-roadshow-boosts-donations-amidst-copyright-crackdown.aspx)
--
Q. So I can't torrent anymore?
A. Not a good idea. Part of the anonymity behind using torrents previously was that copyright lobbies had difficulty matching the IP addresses that they'd tracked to an actual person, because they needed to subpoena your ISP. As this is one of the key components of what's stored, this is now trivial and can be accessed without a warrant.
When you use torrents, you make 1 + (a lot) of connections. The first is to a site such as kat.ph, in which you download the torrent. The others are to other clients that send you bits of data. It's very easy for a copyright lobby to pretend to be one of these clients and note down everybody that connects to them, which they can then (easily) pass to the metadata db to get a person out of. Once they have that, you're screwed. The maximum fine for somebody like you is $6,600 per offence. Download an album of 15 songs? 15 offenses. Download a movie and the copyright lobbies estimate that people downloaded it off you 300 times? 300 offenses (that's a massive load of poo poo on their part, but they've done it before).
--
Q. Usenet?
A. Use an SSL news server and an SSL-enabled indexer (like mine) and you're fine.
--
Q. So some random AFP guy is now aware that I watch midget-spanking porn?
A. It's not immediately obvious to them, but they can discover it with a small amount of investigation. While ISPs are not mandated to store content or web addresses, they store enough information that it can be worked out.
--
Q. My phone is a special snowflake, can they still track it?
A. Yes. If you have a mobile phone of any kind, it can be tracked. There's some research to defeat GSM triangulation, but it's limited and it's not been implemented in consumer-grade phones. The only way to avoid being tracked is to turn off your phone, or leave it at home.
--
Q. Who's to blame for this?
A. The LNP, with the support of the ALP. They're both poo poo. Gasp. 17 out of 18 senate crossbenchers voted against the legislation, including the Greens, most of the PUP, Lambie, Lazarus, Leyonhjelm, Xenophon et al. 3 people voted against it in the lower house - Adam Bandt (Green), Andrew Wilkie (Independent), Cathy McGowan (Independent).
--
Q. Have any other countries tried this?
A. Sure, but not really to this level. The Netherlands had similar legislation, and they removed it last week - it was determined that there was no discernible gain in the ability of Police to solve crimes, and it was a huge detriment to the freedom and privacy of civilians.
--
Let me know if you have any other questions.

Murodese fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Mar 26, 2015

# ? Mar 26, 2015 13:59

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

"A. gently caress knows. The copyright industry (movies, music primarily) donated a literal shitload of cash to the Liberal Party, so that's probably a good indicator. (http://www.itnews.com.au/%85/399933...how-boosts-d%85)"

link is broken

# ? Mar 26, 2015 14:05

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
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bowmore posted:

"A. gently caress knows. The copyright industry (movies, music primarily) donated a literal shitload of cash to the Liberal Party, so that's probably a good indicator. (http://www.itnews.com.au/%85/399933...how-boosts-d%85)"

link is broken

Fixed, facebook mangled it

# ? Mar 26, 2015 14:08

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

Quantum or anyone else...

I can't seem to find much polling by electorate for Saturday, how's it looking?

I've heard anecdotally that Greens are in for Newtown possibly Balmain and definitely not Summer Hill.

Is there any sort of trustworthy prediction on how many ALP may be able to claw back?

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Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
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Last polling on three swing seats was -10% LNP, but not enough for the ALP to take all that much back.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 14:22

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