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Lotta people in this thread who have never worked on a film/TV crew that I can see. Jeremy is clearly in the wrong for throwing a punch, that doesn't fly on any set that I've been on ever. That's not something I can defend, though I do think the sacking was probably a bit much given the circumstances. (That said, I think there are differing laws in the UK than in the US as it relates to workplace environments) The 20 minute browbeating of a producer for not having a hot meal? I've seen talent do a poo poo ton worse for something far less trivial. It's something you have to just accept and move on with your day. Film/TV production isn't an office environment. Open, clear communication is the name of the game. There's not time to be proper and polite when you're already in overtime and it's costing you tens of thousands of dollars every minute, and not to mention you're about to lose the light and the shot and there's no time in the schedule for reshoots because you're already up against the editing deadline and you've been WAY over budget for weeks. Swearing and slurs get thrown around on both sides of the camera, it's just part of the job. The things I've said on set, while working, in front of crew, to an AD would get me fired on the spot if I said them to any sort of superior in an office job. Does the talent get more leeway in what they can say to who? Absolutely. No talent = no show/film = no shoot = no one is getting paid. Talent can say almost whatever they want as far as I'm concerned, and most of the time after the day is done and everyone has slept, cooler heads will prevail. The organized chaos of a film/TV production really can't and shouldn't be equated to your office job and their policies around speech in that far more controlled environment.
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:Because its easier. He's under contract for what, another week? Firing someone on a million-pound salary is probably a ton of paperwork. Why bother? It's also safer for both the BBC and Clarkson from a legal perspective- getting terminated opens means you can, if your a big enough shithead, sue for wrongful dismissal, even if it's just to drag things out and be a pest. Not having your contract renewed means they also have the ability in the future to re-contract him if they so desire. You don't make it quite so far up the black list for as termination does
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Really, Top Gear ending in an incident something like this was inevitable. First, all shows end. Usually about three seasons after they run out of ideas, but they're making too much money to quit. This season was the best in years, but we've all noticed that there have been more misses than hits in recent seasons. The three hosts were set up for a fight by synchronizing their contracts to all come up this year. With costs only increasing and less new ground to explore, the show couldn't have continued much longer. Second, Jeremy Clarkson the person has enjoyed Jeremy Clarkson the character more and more. He's never been one to learn his lesson and back down, and he's set up his "me vs. the establishment" fight for too long for anyone to ever believe he is actually sorry for anything he ever says. People who live as characters like that can't afford to slow down or back away. They always overstep the boundaries eventually. He's not really special in that sense, he's just been able to get away with it far longer than most manage. Finally, the BBC, unlike almost any other media entity in the world, doesn't need hits. They get their license fees every year regardless of ratings. Sure, they can make more money from hits, and of course they want people to like and watch their shows, but they don't depend on hits to fund everything else. One almost gets the impression that they don't really want hits, really. They'd be much more comfortable spending 200 million on 20 shows and hoping they average a 2.5 million profit than gambling as much as they have been on Top Gear alone. No one cares if the star of a 10 million budget show says something stupid. So, yeah. I'd have liked to see more Top Gear. This wasn't the outcome anyone would have chosen. But is anyone truly surprised that the ending of Top Gear came when Jeremy Clarkson did something stupid?
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Mar 26, 2015 05:53
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But in all seriousness, Clarkson really needs to seek counselling.
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Viper_3000 posted:Lotta people in this thread who have never worked on a film/TV crew that I can see No this still isn't a good reason to treat people like garbage. Sorry you work in a lovely industry.
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go3 posted:No this still isn't a good reason to treat people like garbage. Sorry you work in a lovely industry. Different strokes for different folks. I'll take the swearing, occasional browbeating, and massive feeling of accomplishment after a long shoot. You can stick to your uptight corporate office gig where you have to watch every word you say that might possibly offend someone.
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I think we're all avoiding the real question here: does this make us more or less likely to have a Top Gear US vs. UK episode? On the one hand, they aren't on Top Gear anymore but on the other hand, the UK presenters suddenly have much better availability. Plus it practically writes itself. US Top Gear: "We've set up a series of challenges against some unemployed guys from Britain" US: "You brought in $50 million a year? How'd you get fired? Did you molest a kid or something?" UK: "No, the BBC would have been fine with that" UK: "We won *challenge*!" US: "Yeah, well we still have a show. Here, have a bologna sandwich before Clarkson beats us all to death." (You people have been arguing for so long I've taken to writing Top Gear fan-fiction)
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Viper_3000 posted:Different strokes for different folks. I'll take the swearing, occasional browbeating, and massive feeling of accomplishment after a long shoot. You can stick to your uptight corporate office gig where you have to watch every word you say that might possibly offend someone. A-loving-men. I was waiting for someone to bring this up. A film set is nothing like a normal job, and can't be compared to one in any way except its something people do to make money. And I have seen punches thrown on set.
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I'm still wondering how this argument lasted 20 minutes? Isn't it the producers job to corral the stars? What kind of a person would sit there for 20 minutes while a drunkin idiot berates them over cold cuts? Seriously he stayed up so he could say hello to the trio when they arrived. When Jeremy started yelling I would have just been like "okay I waited when everyone else went to bed, obviously you're drunk, gently caress you I'm just gonna go to bed as well". The producer works in the business, he knows how lovely actors can be. I can't imagine how someone could sit there and be yelled at over cold food for 20 minutes. It's part of the producers job to make sure nothing gets out of hand in public. Just like music producers make sure their clients don't go on drug fueled rampages.
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^^^ That's what I was wondering. If 20 minutes isn't a journalistic exaggeration, then no one in the production crew really seemed to give a poo poo about Clarkson's escalating antics and clearly didn't care about stepping in to defuse the situation before it turned physical. Or maybe they all hate Oisin and secretly wanted to see him punched in the face.
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D C posted:A-loving-men. UGH, how can you work in such an environment, you manchild pissbaby shitlord? Your talks of punches has triggered me, I shall retreat to Tumblr to aggressively blog about how we should kill all white men to prevent such atrocities.
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Comrade Flynn posted:UGH, how can you work in such an environment, you manchild pissbaby shitlord? Your talks of punches has triggered me, I shall retreat to Tumblr to aggressively blog about how we should kill all white men to prevent such atrocities. It's nice to see idiots like you continue to equate someone who literally physically assaulted someone to the point where bystanders had to intervene because he waffled too long at a bar and didn't have a hot meal as a result with idiots on tumblr. You are an equal opposite to the people you are mocking.
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Mar 26, 2015 07:42
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You can tell from this thread who's been to England and been unable to get a hot meal at 9 loving PM and who hasn't
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Heh, look at all the millennial pisschildren who can't handle working a real big boy job on a real big boy set with the real big boy big boys, like me. If a day goes by without at least three brutal racist assaults and an aggravated shooting it's a day wasted. Coffee is for closers bitch 
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I make more money and can say what I like more now in an "uptight office job" than I could before, so the idea that working in the media makes someone better than us scrub office drones is slightly precious. Working in the media is a nice gig most of the time but don't pretend working long hours having to say "yes sir no sir thank you sir" to whatever entitled tit is screaming obscenities at you between takes makes you a Bad Dude.
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Semi related and can't remember if this was posted already, but Piers Morgan wrote about how they apparently settled their stuff a while back (over alcohol of course), and you get the gist of the rest about Clarkson from the unnecessarily long headline/URL: http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/home/...ner-demons.html
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Film production sure is a weird place. I did it for around 5 years. Nearly every project caused tears and more. Heck I grabbed and pulled the owner of the production company by the tie over a boardroom table once during an argument. I kept my job. I just want to see which of those supercars actually IS faster after all their bullshit about conditions.
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What the papers say Broadcast posted:The BBC’s decision to release Jeremy Clarkson after he physically assaulted a Top Gear producer has sparked speculation about his future and that of the motoring show.
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I personally hope nobody offers him a job right away and Top Gear continues as usual with no mention of it and just replace him. Hammond and May could carry the show through scripted challenges and absurd races with a new presenter. Yea Clarkson's been doing it forever but plenty of people can talk about expensive cars and drop pianos on old cars.
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Viper_3000 posted:The 20 minute browbeating of a producer for not having a hot meal? I've seen talent do a poo poo ton worse for something far less trivial. It's something you have to just accept and move on with your day. Everyone who ragged on this guy as if he said Clarkson shouldn't have been fired, read his post again. The punch he explicitly said he couldn't defend. I still think it's worth noting that you don't have to accept the lovely workplace because it's morally right to do so, but because you don't have the power to change it and speaking up would in all probability just hurt the wrong people. Kinda like the US tipping culture! 
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mrking posted:I personally hope nobody offers him a job right away and Top Gear continues as usual with no mention of it and just replace him. Hammond and May could carry the show through scripted challenges and absurd races with a new presenter. Yea Clarkson's been doing it forever but plenty of people can talk about expensive cars and drop pianos on old cars. Not going to happen as they have stated that they are one unit.
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Cat Hatter posted:I think we're all avoiding the real question here: does this make us more or less likely to have a Top Gear US vs. UK episode? On the one hand, they aren't on Top Gear anymore but on the other hand, the UK presenters suddenly have much better availability. Actual jokes and wit from TGUS? Immersion ruined.
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japtor posted:Semi related and can't remember if this was posted already, but Piers Morgan wrote about how they apparently settled their stuff a while back (over alcohol of course), and you get the gist of the rest about Clarkson from the unnecessarily long headline/URL: You know, I have seen a lot of strange stuff on the internet over the past two decades or so, but I don't think anything has ever come close to being as bizarre and unexpected as that article. Piers Morgan actually defending Clarkson, what a strange world we live in.
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FiftySeven posted:You know, I have seen a lot of strange stuff on the internet over the past two decades or so, but I don't think anything has ever come close to being as bizarre and unexpected as that article. Piers Morgan actually defending Clarkson, what a strange world we live in. Posting this in the PYF Unnerving poo poo thread... Joking aside, that's about the most  thing I've read regarding this whole situation, and it's coming from a man who Jeremy Clarkson punched. I wonder if it's not that Clarkson goes around punching people, but rather that people genuinely would like to be punched by Clarkson.
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I don't get it. The corporate world, known to be full of right wingers, is the side that's all touchy-feely about "workplace violence" and "abuse" while the theatre/film side, typically all lefties, is all like "whatever, that's how it goes" about it. If you've never worked theatre at all, go find someone that has and ask them about the Clarkson thing. Or watch Birdman, I dunno.
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If it does come back I hope it's another reboot. Exactly the same format with new presenters would be pretty lame.
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i flunked out posted:Whats so wrong with being a sjw anyways? Autism.
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mustard_tiger posted:I'm still wondering how this argument lasted 20 minutes? Isn't it the producers job to corral the stars? What kind of a person would sit there for 20 minutes while a drunkin idiot berates them over cold cuts? Seriously he stayed up so he could say hello to the trio when they arrived. When Jeremy started yelling I would have just been like "okay I waited when everyone else went to bed, obviously you're drunk, gently caress you I'm just gonna go to bed as well". The producer works in the business, he knows how lovely actors can be. I can't imagine how someone could sit there and be yelled at over cold food for 20 minutes. It's part of the producers job to make sure nothing gets out of hand in public. Just like music producers make sure their clients don't go on drug fueled rampages. Philip J Fry posted:^^^ Not all producers are equal on the totem pole. Generally you also have a Director or Assistant Director helping to wrangle in talent in situations like that. And yeah, honestly it's part of Tymon's job to make sure there's a hot meal at the end of the day, especially for talent. Doesn't matter if they stopped off at the pub or not. Every producer I know would have been calling around to find someplace that's still open, or would have ordered food from the kitchen before it closed so it could be re-heated at the very least. Standing around doing nothing about the situation isn't acceptable, and if that's what he did, he deserved every bit of the rant that Jeremy put on him. (But not the punch) NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:I make more money and can say what I like more now in an "uptight office job" than I could before, so the idea that working in the media makes someone better than us scrub office drones is slightly precious. Working in the media is a nice gig most of the time but don't pretend working long hours having to say "yes sir no sir thank you sir" to whatever entitled tit is screaming obscenities at you between takes makes you a Bad Dude. It's not just that I can say what I want, it's also that I don't have to get up and go to the same place to do the same thing every day. If you found a situation where you can make more and still speak your mind freely at work, and you enjoy what you do, more power to you. Sir Tonk posted:I don't get it. The corporate world, known to be full of right wingers, is the side that's all touchy-feely about "workplace violence" and "abuse" while the theatre/film side, typically all lefties, is all like "whatever, that's how it goes" about it. If you've never worked theatre at all, go find someone that has and ask them about the Clarkson thing. I think you've got that a bit mixed up. It's more of creative type liberals vs SJW liberals. One doesn't get caught up in language, because they need very clear and open and direct lines of communication in order to do their jobs. The other does nothing but think of ways language could possibly offend them, because they don't have anything better to do at their job.
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BitTorrent could always pick him up. They have the best shows.
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FiftySeven posted:You know, I have seen a lot of strange stuff on the internet over the past two decades or so, but I don't think anything has ever come close to being as bizarre and unexpected as that article. Piers Morgan actually defending Clarkson, what a strange world we live in. And it is in the Mail. Piers Morgan, the man who appears in the OED as follows: quote:countryside
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Wasabi the J posted:I wonder if it's not that Clarkson goes around punching people, but rather that people genuinely would like to be punched by Clarkson.
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mustard_tiger posted:I'm still wondering how this argument lasted 20 minutes.
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Viper_3000 posted:Standing around doing nothing about the situation isn't acceptable, and if that's what he did, he deserved every bit of the rant that Jeremy put on him. (But not the punch) What a load of bullshit, nobody deserves a 20 minute shouting-at for a catering mishap.
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Well. That was a interesting 300 odd  posts. My bet is on a netflix pickup
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wayfinder posted:What a load of bullshit, nobody deserves a 20 minute shouting-at for a catering mishap. It's not a catering mishap, it's not doing your job.
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ZippySLC posted:It's not a catering mishap, it's not doing your job. I wasn't aware that it was the producer's job to tell the chef employed by the hotel to work overtime. Learn something new every day, I guess!
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Well, now all the BBC has to do is find new hosts. How hard could it possibly be?
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Since the show as we know it is dead, this thread should be our memoriam where we post our favorite .gifs or our first time seeing the show, or just reminisce. I remember the first time I saw Top Gear. I was in Iraq for 8 months when we finally got AFN and they broadcast the amphibious car special. I remember laughing my rear end off and it really made me smile at a time when there wasn't much smiling going on. Thanks top gear.
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