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Stringent posted:although really just building robots to do it would be ideal you organicist bigot
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ADINSX posted:My original post was kind of vague, the idea is "Now that one group of people in society is becoming less marginalized, we need a NEW marginalized group to do the stuff we [rich white men] don't wanna do!" nobody wants to do this stuff. making it something with explicit cost and external responsibility takes some unfortunate things out of the household dynamic. I doubt that most of the customers are married men whose wives got uppity, which sounds like your thesis? the honeymooners stereotypes wouldn't care for the service because that work is already invisible to them. their wives might be interested, though, so that they can spend more time on things that they find more fulfilling.
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Mar 27, 2015 15:53
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Nagato posted:you organicist bigot sorry, non-sentient robots
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Stringent posted:the one thing that makes it tolerable is fellowship
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Subjunctive posted:nobody wants to do this stuff. making it something with explicit cost and external responsibility takes some unfortunate things out of the household dynamic. I doubt that most of the customers are married men whose wives got uppity, which sounds like your thesis? the honeymooners stereotypes wouldn't care for the service because that work is already invisible to them. their wives might be interested, though, so that they can spend more time on things that they find more fulfilling. my wife works full time, same as me. i'm sure you didn't mean this to sound as sexist as it did, but it did.
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Stringent posted:my wife works full time, same as me. i'm sure you didn't mean this to sound as sexist as it did, but it did. I was responding to the framing of the OP, which was about this being displaced oppression of housewives, and I explicitly referenced the stereotype; the thesis is sexist, really. if you carry an equal share of the domestic work, though, you're a wonderful outlier even among two-job-outside-the-home couples. housewives work full-time too, they just tend to have less rewarding work (as self-reported) than those who work outside the home. interestingly, house husbands don't report lower work satisfaction than outside-work husbands, probably because they almost never fall into it by default.
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Mar 27, 2015 16:15
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rjmccall posted:subjunctive
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Mar 27, 2015 16:59
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was all set to be horrified about needing a service to manage your services but then I realized I use yidio and think it's great so I'm already a cog in the machine of horrorrjmccall posted:subjunctive
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Mar 27, 2015 17:30
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it's ok, as long as you don't induce the near-violence of parts-and-labour billing.
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Mar 27, 2015 17:33
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hobbesmaster posted:because there never existed services that will fold laundry for you until now i first heard about fluff-and-fold services on an episode of seinfeld
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Mar 27, 2015 17:43
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rjmccall posted:subjunctive 
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Citizen Tayne posted:you mean "job creators" you rang?
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Mar 27, 2015 17:51
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shoot the new rich also the old rich
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Mar 27, 2015 18:24
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I pay someone to do most of my laundry it's very convenient
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Mar 27, 2015 18:38
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I have a washer and dryer so I do my own laundry but I think it might be nice 2 have a housekeeper come like once a week to do other stuff.
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Mar 27, 2015 18:40
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Shaggar posted:I have a washer and dryer so I do my own laundry but I think it might be nice 2 have a housekeeper come like once a week to do other stuff. my current apartment has a washer and dryer, and it's so much better than having to go to a laundromat. i can do laundry if i'm just in the mood for whatever reason 
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Mar 27, 2015 18:41
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yeah I cant imagine going to a laundromat. that would be awful
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Mar 27, 2015 18:43
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yeah once you go w/d in unit you never go back
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Mar 27, 2015 18:48
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it's like gpgpu, takes you a minute to shuffle the data out there but it's a parallel operation so 2 weeks is done in 1.5h
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JawnV6 posted:it's like gpgpu, takes you a minute to shuffle the data out there but it's a parallel operation so 2 weeks is done in 1.5h nerrrrrrrrd
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Mar 27, 2015 18:53
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prefect posted:my current apartment has a washer and dryer, and it's so much better than having to go to a laundromat. i can do laundry if i'm just in the mood for whatever reason i keep my clean clothes in the dryer and iron what i want to wear to the office when i get dressed got a baller rear end new iron as a wedding gift and it ownsssss
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Mar 27, 2015 18:56
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but you're in california why would you iron a t shirt?
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i keep my clean clothes in the dryer and iron what i want to wear to the office when i get dressed my old roommate used to throw his clean undershirts on a pile in his closet. as he wore them he took them off and threw them on another pile. when the dirty pile was bigger than the clean pile, he would wash them.
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Mar 27, 2015 18:57
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hobbesmaster posted:but you're in california why would you iron a t shirt? dress for the job you want etc
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:dress for the job you want etc ok why would you iron a turtle neck
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hobbesmaster posted:ok why would you iron a turtle neck the collar won't stay popped on it unless i starch it w/ the iron first
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Mar 27, 2015 19:02
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prefect posted:my current apartment has a washer and dryer, and it's so much better than having to go to a laundromat. i can do laundry if i'm just in the mood for whatever reason my current apartment has a washer and dryer but the dryer is barely functional and there's no room to dry all the clothes on the little deck. almost wish i still went to the laundromat. also the washer has a whole buncha rusted out parts up top so like the softener dispenser funnel thing keeps falling off.
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Mar 27, 2015 20:15
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Shaggar posted:getting involved in the pricing and work is a total mistake. most of these people are already self employed and providing an avenue for them to seek new clients that isn't word of mouth or classifieds is not a bad idea, but the second you start setting their wages or whatever they're your employees. better to be a service provider that they subscribe to and let them continue to set their pricing + schedules as negotiated w/ clients. these kinds of services aren't worker-focused, they're customer focused. they don't give a poo poo about getting clients for existing service providers, they want to be the service provider as far as the customer is concerned but subcontract the work out to others. that gives them more control over the cut they take, and also allows them to maintain brand identity by forcing the actual providers to jump through hoops and requirements
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Mar 27, 2015 20:21
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Main Paineframe posted:these kinds of services aren't worker-focused, they're customer focused. they don't give a poo poo about getting clients for existing service providers, they want to be the service provider as far as the customer is concerned but subcontract the work out to others. that gives them more control over the cut they take, and also allows them to maintain brand identity by forcing the actual providers to jump through hoops and requirements and the point is that at that point they're not subcontracting they're hiring
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Mar 27, 2015 20:22
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Main Paineframe posted:these kinds of services aren't worker-focused, they're customer focused. they don't give a poo poo about getting clients for existing service providers, they want to be the service provider as far as the customer is concerned but subcontract the work out to others. that gives them more control over the cut they take, and also allows them to maintain brand identity by forcing the actual providers to jump through hoops and requirements right. its a stupid model when there is a much better one that does effectively the same thing
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Mar 27, 2015 20:23
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Shaggar posted:right. its a stupid model when there is a much better one that does effectively the same thing this model gets more vc dollars, though
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the other model would get vc dollars and it would be legal.
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handybook isn't going to go head to head with your local merry maids franchisee unless it can get in at a hilariously low price. they just can't. little/no word of mouth, little budget for advertising, little quality control. they just don't have a chance. none of these dumb services would be able to carve out a market without selling poo poo below cost. exploitation and abuse is built into them, at their core
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"$SERVICE, but with a mobile app!" isn't a business model "$SERVICE, but with hilarious margins built on dubiously legal exploitation of 1099 workers!" might be a viable business, we're finding that out now
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Main Paineframe posted:these kinds of services aren't worker-focused, they're customer focused. they don't give a poo poo about getting clients for existing service providers, they want to be the service provider as far as the customer is concerned but subcontract the work out to others. that gives them more control over the cut they take, and also allows them to maintain brand identity by forcing the actual providers to jump through hoops and requirements this guy is 100% correct hobbesmaster posted:and the point is that at that point they're not subcontracting they're hiring if you actually hire people, your business is dead. the whole "business" hinges on having the "independent" "contractors" suffer all the risk and pay all business expenses. the minute they move those things onto their own books, the silicon valley bullshitters don't have a competitive advantage over the local yokels.
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which is why they shouldn't exist in that form
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this guy is 100% correct nbsd was right
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hobbesmaster posted:which is why they shouldn't exist in that form yeah but there isn't another form. other than uber, i don't think any of these firms are viable if they went 100% legal.
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