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Palpek posted:Yeah, I completely forgot that scene but now I do remember I had a "gently caress, that was good" feeling when they were finished at that table. I thought it was genuinely well thought out as a cinematic scene. I'm sure the music helped as well as a couple of good one-liners. Connor is terrible. "Charles Lee! Charles Lee! I must find Charles Lee, the man who burned down my village and killed my mother.'  Haytham: 'Actually, it was Washington'.' Connor: 'Well gently caress. Where's LEE!?!' And then Connor and Washington were super best friends forever.
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Palpek posted:Yeah, I completely forgot that scene but now I do remember I had a "gently caress, that was good" feeling when they were finished at that table. I thought it was genuinely well thought out as a cinematic scene. I'm sure the music helped as well as a couple of good one-liners. Honestly, I didn't hate III as much as a lot of people (to me, its biggest sin was its loving god-awful pacing) but at the end of the day it's just really disappointing. On paper, Connor is by far the most interesting Assassin. He's an outsider to the Mohawk he grew up with, an outsider to the revolutionaries whose cause he's sympathetic to (and this isn't even getting into the fact that both of those factions are at odds with each other), and he even becomes disillusioned with the Assassins, the only home that ever accepted him unconditionally. His relationship with his Haytham is really complex, as they're on opposite sides of a power struggle going back millennia but find a common ground that has nothing at all to do with the fact that they're, you know, father and son. His conflicted loyalties are even represented in his character design. It's a Western-style coat and trousers but with native moccasins and decorations, and a Western sword and pistols but native tomahawk and bow. The problem is that the execution is so goddamn lovely. Ubisoft decided to go with a native Mohawk speaker rather than a competent voice-actor* and cut out a ton of character-building scenes in favor of an American Revolution history course that pretty much everyone already knows. *Totally understandable why they did this, but it's a real shame they couldn't find anyone better EDIT: I mean, listen to this. None of this comes through in the actual plot, which is a crying shame. It's about as subtle as a brick wall, but why couldn't they have made this game? ninjahedgehog fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Mar 26, 2015 |
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There's also the fact that he is written to be a naive bitch idiot, regardless of their initial intent, sooooo.
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ninjahedgehog posted:EDIT: I mean, listen to this. None of this comes through in the actual plot, which is a crying shame. It's about as subtle as a brick wall, but why couldn't they have made this game? There's a whole set of such scenes, with character motivations and interactions and context and subtlety, fully acted and animated, dummied out of the game. It's the weirdest thing. Instead of there metaphorically being a good plot hidden in there somewhere, there is literally a good plot hidden in the game files.
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All dummied out because Ubisoft had to get the game out for the end of 2012, bugs and all. AC 3 should have been a far better game than it actually was. Same with Unity.
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Now I'm just following this thread for any news of that side scrolling game.
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Discendo Vox posted:There's a whole set of such scenes, with character motivations and interactions and context and subtlety, fully acted and animated, dummied out of the game. It's the weirdest thing. Instead of there metaphorically being a good plot hidden in there somewhere, there is literally a good plot hidden in the game files. I never heard that and it explains a lot about Connor's complete lack of character outside of his time with Haytham.
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Also, III had by far my favorite kill animation.  It's at 3:38 if the linked time doesn't work.
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AC3 had the promise of a good game, but due to time constraints came out broken, clumsy and disconnected (That loving YOU ARE AN EAGLE dream sequence mechanic that never gets used again and doesn't let you take damage, uuuugh). You'd think they'd have learned from that, and decided putting time constraints ahead of game quality is a bad idea. Maybe they did, but also ran the numbers and found that making more money from selling annual releases of unfinished games is more lucrative than selling a smaller series of completed and even enjoyable games.
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III's best moment was clearly the part when Haytham got in a barfight and told the other guy he was going to feed him his teeth.
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TARDISman posted:III's best moment was clearly the part when Haytham I agree.
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TARDISman posted:III's best moment was clearly the part when Haytham got in a barfight and told the other guy he was going to feed him his teeth. If AC 3 had ended when you stopped playing as Haytham, I would have considered it a good game.
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Skoll posted:If AC 3 had ended when you stopped playing as Haytham, I would have considered it a good game. "Wait, he was a Templar?!" "Apparently, where should we go now?" "...gently caress if I know." ROLL CREDITS.
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The best part of AC3 is how bonkers the story DLCs were. Washington's pyramid in the middle of New York:
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Palpek posted:The best part of AC3 is how bonkers the story DLCs were. Washington's pyramid in the middle of New York: Now I really want Assassins Creed: Egypt. Assassinations with a brain hook 
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Pesmerga posted:Now I really want Assassins Creed: Egypt. Assassinations with a brain hook And AC Feudal Japan. I don't understand how come they haven't done that yet, unless of course it's simply "oh we cant have non white male protagonist".
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Skoll posted:And AC Feudal Japan. I don't understand how come they haven't done that yet, unless of course it's simply "oh we cant have non white male protagonist". I think it's more the fact that everyone keeps telling them to do Japan. Because they would still make the dude white,of course.
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senae posted:I think it's more the fact that everyone keeps telling them to do Japan. The world needs another Tenchu game.
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senae posted:I think it's more the fact that everyone keeps telling them to do Japan.
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Palpek posted:AC already had minority protagonists. The problem with Japan is that it's not about white people history which is more of a framework for the AC series. They're probably afraid it won't sell just like Jade Empire didn't.
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anthonypants posted:Or, that people will be reminded that Altaïr was Syrian and go apeshit. A Muslim Syrian terrorist, even.
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senae posted:I think it's more the fact that everyone keeps telling them to do Japan. ...and yet at the moment they seem to be working through the fan favourite settings: French Revolution, Victorian London.... Somewhere in Japanese history has to be next.
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If Assassin's Creed were going to do Japan, I'd rather it took place during the Satsuma Rebellion rather than the Sengoku era. Japan facing modernization seems to be a good fit for the Assassin vs Templar conflict and they could even bring over the naval battles from Black Flag and Rogue if need be.
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I read something the other day where they said they probably won't do Feudal Japan because there are already enough games about ninjas. Which is clearly nonsense. The real reason is as you guys said, it's not White People History. Edit: the Satsuma Rebellion would be rad as hell.
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Id love to see AC Vikings but I don't think it'd work unless the game centered in medieval Europe or some poo poo.
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Skoll posted:Id love to see AC Vikings but I don't think it'd work unless the game centered in medieval Europe or some poo poo. Conflict between the Moors on the Iberian peninsula and Viking raids (lightning assassination by boats) could be fun, and definitely an under-explored time period (mid-800s). Would get rid of those pesky firearms and add more axes
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Skoll posted:Id love to see AC Vikings but I don't think it'd work unless the game centered in medieval Europe or some poo poo. I really want a game set in the early Saxon period surrounded primarily by green fields and tiny villages and the odd Roman not-quite-ruin. No reason other than I want to see that period rendered. Alternatively, pick a city, and experience it through different centuries and watch it grow and change. Again, no reason other than I want someone to do the historical research and render it for me so I can poke at it.
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Snuffman posted:...and yet at the moment they seem to be working through the fan favourite settings: French Revolution, Victorian London.... Everyone wants Kyoto and they're gonna set it in Okinawa just be assholes 
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Remember that they need big famous names. so whenever they'll be setting their next game it has to be a period with tons of names people recognize. It has always been this way in the series.
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I forgot how hilariously lovely the voice acting in the first game with Altair is. You can make the "you play as a middle eastern guy!" argument all you want, but for whatever reason he was voiced to sound like GENERIC AMERICAN MAN FROM 2005 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs66GJp2L7M
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Narcissus1916 posted:I forgot how hilariously lovely the voice acting in the first game with Altair is. You can make the "you play as a middle eastern guy!" argument all you want, but for whatever reason he was voiced to sound like GENERIC AMERICAN MAN FROM 2005 it was played by this guy, looks pretty legit  born in chicago
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You think it sounds bad in that video? Try hearing these lines amongst all the other voices in the game, Al Mualim, the rafik guys in each bureau, each of your targets. It wouldn't be so jarring if everyone else had pseudo-foreign-but-still-merican accents.
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I can't recall much about Revelations, probably due to the tumor it caused, but didn't Altair sound a LOT better in that? But yeah, it's undeniable that in a game that was about checking out this amazing period in history, Altair sounded like prototypical Gruff American Protagonist. Much like how in Revolutionary France, everybody was actually from London based on their voices.
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The weird thing about original Altaïr is that the guy can do an accent, but they decided at the last minute to make it American. Even the actor sounded mystified about that in the interview I heard. Then they even went ahead and gave him an accent for the (terrible gameplay, all right story) interstitial handheld Altaïr game. Maybe they played through the final version of AC1 and realized how weird it sounded. 
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They always have such a weird relationship with the Animus language translation. Why does it only translate certain words?!
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ImpAtom posted:They always have such a weird relationship with the Animus language translation. Why does it only translate certain words?! Yeah. I just started Unity and everyone sounds English except sometimes they say "sacre bleu" or "je suis une baguette" or whatever. What's that all about?
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Palpek posted:Remember that they need big famous names. so whenever they'll be setting their next game it has to be a period with tons of names people recognize. It has always been this way in the series. Let's see... In AC1, the only personage an average person is likely to have heard about would be Richard the Lionheart. In Revelations, Suleiman is the only prominent historical character, and I don't think he is known to the general public. AC3 is a borderline case in that the only character's non-Americans are likely to have heard about are George Washington and Benjamin Franklin. The point is, it is not the case for all the games in the series.
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ImpAtom posted:They always have such a weird relationship with the Animus language translation. Why does it only translate certain words?! They are going for foreign "flavour" without having to resort to having complete sentences in the other language. Come to think of it, we can probably expect Victory to use ridiculous Cockney dialect even for characters that shouldn't speak that way.
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paint dry posted:Yeah. I just started Unity and everyone sounds English except sometimes they say "sacre bleu" or "je suis une baguette" or whatever. What's that all about? And the crowds speak almost exclusively French.
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