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FuzzySkinner posted:It's just getting to the point where I almost feel like an atheist listening to people like her. Which isn't much comfort when they're driving the entire religious narrative in this country, but still.
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notthegoatseguy posted:The same reason why people say President Bush, President Carter, etc... The usage of Obama's middle name is also 100% normal and not dog whistling.
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Mar 28, 2015 05:41
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PhazonLink posted:The usage of Obama's middle name is also 100% normal and not dog whistling. I like people who call him B. Hussein Obama, or even put the HUSSEIN in all caps. Speaking of middle names, I just learned recently that Ted Cruz's first name is actually Rafael. I assume it's common knowledge, but I had never heard him referred to as anything other than Ted. Considering how much Rush and Co. seem to think that Obama is immune to criticism because of his racial background, and how much they believe he only won because of his racial background, you'd think they'd be pushing the "first Hispanic president" angle for Cruz a bit harder. Cruz and Obama have a lot in common, in that respect. The only major difference is that Cruz was actually born in another country.
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Mar 28, 2015 07:56
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Nintendo Kid posted:It's standard etiquette that you refer to someone as the highest rank they ever earned in politics/the military. So just like you'd refer to a retired General as General Soandso, former governors are Governor unless they become like a Senator or President/Vice-President. I feel like this standard should not apply to people who resigned from their position or were run out of the military.
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Mar 28, 2015 08:02
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Leofish posted:
If he gets the nom or becomes the star of the week again, they will. Also B-Rock doesn't count as the first black prez. He's a half-breed/one drop rule. Our newest token is going to be the 1st real one.
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Mar 28, 2015 08:29
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Typical Pubbie posted:I feel like this standard should not apply to people who resigned from their position or were run out of the military. I think it doesn't apply to anyone discharged dishonorably from the military and I'm unclear on whether or not it applies to someone who loses elected office through impeachment. Nixon was still President Nixon, as I understand it.
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Mar 28, 2015 11:24
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Chantilly Say posted:I think it doesn't apply to anyone discharged dishonorably from the military and I'm unclear on whether or not it applies to someone who loses elected office through impeachment. Nixon was still President Nixon, as I understand it. Nixon wasn't impeached, he was never 'forced' out of office. He resigned before it happened.
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Mar 28, 2015 13:40
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Leofish posted:I like people who call him B. Hussein Obama, or even put the HUSSEIN in all caps. Obama used to go by the anglicized 'Barry' but now uses his birth name. Rafael Edward Cruz is one of the good 'uns who has assimilated. White Jindal Portrait.jpg
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Mar 28, 2015 13:46
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InequalityGodzilla posted:I got a lesbian friend who's an aspiring stage actor. I like to call her a thesbian. Took her quite some time to realize exactly what I was saying. Yeah this is from a bit back. But during an argument with a cousin who was hugely into school plays I called her a "tenacious thespian" and stomped off. The look on her face when she told her mom what I'd said - and her mom burst out laughing - was priceless.
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Mar 28, 2015 15:22
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Wait so Cruz was actually born in Canada, and it's not unconstitutional for him to run for president? Why is that? Was he born on a US military base or something?
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Mar 28, 2015 15:26
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Feral_Shofixti posted:Nixon wasn't impeached, he was never 'forced' out of office. He resigned before it happened. Clinton was impeached and we still call him President Clinton.  Coohoolin posted:Wait so Cruz was actually born in Canada, and it's not unconstitutional for him to run for president? Why is that? Was he born on a US military base or something? Yeah you'd think that the people supporting him were ideologically inconsistent or something. 
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Coohoolin posted:Wait so Cruz was actually born in Canada, and it's not unconstitutional for him to run for president? Why is that? Was he born on a US military base or something? His mother was a US citizen, so he was a citizen of the US at birth. It's never been formally defined or tested in court, but most people agree that's enough to meet the constitution's "natural born citizen" requirement.
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Mar 28, 2015 15:29
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Coohoolin posted:Wait so Cruz was actually born in Canada, and it's not unconstitutional for him to run for president? Why is that? Was he born on a US military base or something? Born in Canada, the son of a Cuban, and an agent of Canadian Intelligence secretly plotting to reunify us with Great Britain. 
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Mar 28, 2015 15:30
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If one of your parents is American you can be president. Its just a shame that people are allowed to pretend our sitting president somehow isn't American because he makes certain people uncomfortable for reasons they just can't quite put their finger on.
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Mar 28, 2015 15:34
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Wait I thought you had to be born on US soil. I was born in England but my mother's American, does that mean I get to run? I'm not surprised the right wing has double standards, duh, it's bleeding obvious, I was just actually confused about the constitutional issues.
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Mar 28, 2015 16:04
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Coohoolin posted:Wait I thought you had to be born on US soil. I was born in England but my mother's American, does that mean I get to run? I'm not surprised the right wing has double standards, duh, it's bleeding obvious, I was just actually confused about the constitutional issues. If you're mother's an American citizen, then you are eligible, yes. The supposed constitutional issues surrounding Obama are nothing but racism/"He's a demonrat" looking for a lever.
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Mar 28, 2015 16:20
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Cythereal posted:If you're mother's an American citizen, then you are eligible, yes. The supposed constitutional issues surrounding Obama are nothing but racism/"He's a demonrat" looking for a lever. Has anybody shoved a mic in front of Orly Taitz to ask her about Cruz?
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radical meme posted:Has anybody shoved a mic in front of Orly Taitz to ask her about Cruz? Oh you'll be seeing plenty of her next year if Cruz is still in the primaries. She'll be needing some more attention about that time.
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Mar 28, 2015 16:32
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PhazonLink posted:The usage of Obama's middle name is also 100% normal and not dog whistling. Ok, I certainly agree...but that wasn't the point. People who hold office still get called by that office's name after they've left. It is just something that has happened for ages.
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Mar 28, 2015 16:40
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Cythereal posted:If you're mother's an American citizen, then you are eligible, yes. The supposed constitutional issues surrounding Obama are nothing but racism/"He's a demonrat" looking for a lever. Hooo boy well my career options just opened up.
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Mar 28, 2015 16:47
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Coohoolin posted:Hooo boy well my career options just opened up. Have you been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States?
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Mar 28, 2015 17:05
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Bel Shazar posted:Have you been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States? Hah, of course there's a catch. Nah, but I've got time.
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Mar 28, 2015 17:13
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Coohoolin posted:Wait I thought you had to be born on US soil. I was born in England but my mother's American, does that mean I get to run? I'm not surprised the right wing has double standards, duh, it's bleeding obvious, I was just actually confused about the constitutional issues. Are you a legal registered as a citizen? (Paying taxes, US passport, etc) If not it is hard to make the argument you are eligible to run, although the hurdles for registration/immigration are lower if one or both parents are citizens. On the other hand you have Arnold Schwarzenegger is a legal immigrant but is ineligible for the White House because neither he nor his parents were born here. The Founders were afraid of some European Royal House sending a few people here and taking over the political system. Mc Do Well fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Mar 28, 2015 |
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Mar 28, 2015 17:19
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McDowell posted:Are you a legal registered as a citizen? (Paying taxes, US passport, etc) Yeah I've got a passport, 2 years after I was born my mother and I moved to New York and stayed there for another 2 years before moving to Switzerland to be with my dad. I'm voting absentee in 2016 as a New Yorker.
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Mar 28, 2015 17:33
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I'm reading Infinite Jest and like to think that Cruz is a sleeper agent for the Quebecois separatists living in the western concavity. Possibly aligned with the wheel chair assassins.
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Mar 28, 2015 17:47
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Coohoolin posted:Yeah I've got a passport, 2 years after I was born my mother and I moved to New York and stayed there for another 2 years before moving to Switzerland to be with my dad. I'm voting absentee in 2016 as a New Yorker. You just need to be 35+ and get another 12 years of living in the US together and then yes, you can run for president.
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Mar 28, 2015 18:01
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Cythereal posted:If you're mother's an American citizen, then you are eligible, yes. The supposed constitutional issues surrounding Obama are nothing but racism/"He's a demonrat" looking for a lever. Also for what it's worth, just having an American father instead would work just as well, under current law.
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Mar 28, 2015 18:05
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I get that people keep their titles, but you only have to use it if they deserve respect. For people like Palin and Nixon, you don't need to use it.
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Mar 28, 2015 18:29
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Coohoolin posted:Wait I thought you had to be born on US soil. I was born in England but my mother's American, does that mean I get to run? I'm not surprised the right wing has double standards, duh, it's bleeding obvious, I was just actually confused about the constitutional issues. You're going to have to stop using words like 'bleeding' and 'bloody' when you are not referring to bodily fluids if you want to be a REAL American citizen.
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Feral_Shofixti posted:You're going to have to stop using words like 'bleeding' and 'bloody' when you are not referring to bodily fluids if you want to be a REAL American citizen.
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Mar 28, 2015 19:41
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Feral_Shofixti posted:You're going to have to stop using words like 'bleeding' and 'bloody' when you are not referring to bodily fluids if you want to be a REAL American citizen. And start dropping half the sounds in the word "aluminum."
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Mar 28, 2015 19:54
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I thought British accents were like sorcery for American audiences, even Piers Morgan sounds respectable over there. Besides, I could just run a campaign photoshopping myself into Malcolm Tucker's US scenes from In The Loop and be done with it.
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More fun with christian radio! Was just driving a bit to go run some errands and they had on a young women on talking about her experiences at a "SECULAR COLLEGE" (or you know...College to you and me) Some tidbits -She was offended that a theology professor claimed that the God of Islam, and the God of Christianity was the same. (uh...this is true?) -Claimed that the Koran was allowed on campus, and that the bible was not. -Was offended that a biology teacher asked who "believed in evolution", and during the course of the semester, she and her fellow creationist were "targeted" by him. (it sounded like he was simply trying to explain his POV?) -Told some type of story about how someone studying to be a doctor wound up transferring to a christian college due to "EVOLUTION" being required belief in a class. Apparently he came back, lawyered up and sued the professor to change his sylabus. -The hosts started praising this women as a "GREAT CHRISTIAN HERO.", who "SURVIVED DISCRIMINATION. PERSECUTION". They then posed the question as to why anyone would attend a "Secular" college and why not a christian one?. Also apparently (yet again) this was founded as strictly a "CHRISTIAN NATION", and that pretty much atheists/muslims I do not have the name of this young women or the institute she attended (though it's claimed she was a "Valedictorian at Heritage Christian". I still don't understand how this qualifies as "persecution". As someone who has read up on how people have actually been tortured, put on trial, put in concentration camps over their faith and beliefs? This actually offends me as a human being. I don't understand these people. I realize one's christian education is kind of sheltered, but I do recall that a lot of people enjoyed reading the the story of Corrie Ten Boom (an AMAZING women, who went through SO MUCH, overcame and forgave), shouldn't they have an idea of how absurd they sound?
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Well, I mean, if the Bible was banned from campus while the Koran wasn't then I guess that would qualify as legitimate discrimination*. But I feel confident in assuming that's total bullshit. *Although obviously not "persecution." As an American Christian I find the American Christian reinterpretation of "persecution" just as offensive and mind blowing as you do. Persecution is getting jailed, killed, enslaved, denied the right to vote, etc, you assholes. Not being told you have to serve gay people and not being able to pick and having to learn about evolution in science class. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Mar 28, 2015 |
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Mar 28, 2015 20:28
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FuzzySkinner posted:-She was offended that a theology professor claimed that the God of Islam, and the God of Christianity was the same. (uh...this is true?) It's true, though fundamentalists from both faiths tend to either downplay or outright deny it. Both faiths worship the God of Abraham (and so do Jews). Obviously there was a splitting off at some point and I don't know enough to tell you the finer details of that, but the two share a lot of the same stories and ideas. Muslims are even pretty cool with Jesus as a prophet, though they don't regard him as divine/the Son of God.
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Mar 28, 2015 20:49
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Coohoolin posted:I thought British accents were like sorcery for American audiences, even Piers Morgan sounds respectable over there. Besides, I could just run a campaign photoshopping myself into Malcolm Tucker's US scenes from In The Loop and be done with it. A British accent is great for getting laid, free beer, a job, and generally sounding smart. In politics it would immediately identify you as The Other and more or less disqualify you. Basically, how do you think a thick, Southern or Texan accent would fly in the British House of Lords?
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Alkydere posted:Basically, how do you think a thick, Southern or Texan accent would fly in the British House of Lords? I seem to recall the British government genuflecting to a Texas drawl for about 8 years...
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I mean, you could probably argue that since Christians believe that Jesus IS God and Muslims just see him as a prophet then they actually do disagree on the nature of God so don't really follow the same guy even if they started at the same place. That is if you define the Christian God as the Holy Trinity. But by that logic the Jewish God is a different guy too and you won't see that kind of consistency from most of these people. And then I don't actually think all Christians agree on the Holy Trinity thing so you'd just end up with more Gods divided up if you actually followed such logic consistently instead of just not wanting to believe you have anything in common with the drat Muslims.
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Not really though. They have similarities and Muslims certainly feel they are worshipping the same god as Christians and Jews but the Muslim god isn't trinitarian, wasn't born as a man and didn't die for humanity's sins. Those are pretty critical elements of the Christian god. Historically related but the characters are pretty different.
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