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Denzine to the rescue with my counterpoint. It doesn't break anything. It looks stupendous.
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Was that directed at me? Because I was agreeing with you; it breaks nothing, but dumb pubbies and  lore authenticity
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Mar 28, 2015 08:03
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Lorewise the suit shouldn't even loving exist since it has been like 5000 years since its creation.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Was that directed at me? Because I was agreeing with you; it breaks nothing, but dumb pubbies and Nah, Denzine responded to Kyte and I was concurring. Say... Kyte, who are you ingame anyway? I have absolutely no idea.
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SSNeoman posted:Lorewise the suit shouldn't even loving exist since it has been like 5000 years since its creation. I thought it was closer to tens of thousands of years if not millions? And if the Warframes can survive just fine in cryo, I see no reason why Hayden's suit couldn't have been preserved in a vault by the 'cold and gold emperors' who made the Tenno.
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Denzine posted:
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Naturally Selected posted:Yes, yes, yes, everyone should use the supra because fun etc. Did you miss the guy asking for good weapon choices? Syndicate mods are government hand-outs, stop supporting them on the basis of trying to get DE to admit players sunk non-trivial resources for bad weapons (I had to use Fieldron before we had those invasions and when Fieldron required forma to build for my Supra).
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Naturally Selected posted:Good non-primes: Kohm, Boltor, Paris/Dread if you like bows. Soma is pretty decent but needs good shot placement. You can probably ask in clan for burston/braton/paris prime bits and get them. The double revolvers are, unfortunately, pretty crappy. Boltos/Akboltos are pretty nice, though. I would disagree that either the AkVasto or AkMagnus are bad, they're pretty fun guns and very useable even without forma (though a potato is alway neccesary for anything to really shine). I've been getting a bit lazy with my secondary choice recently, but I love taking out both and going wild west on some fools with either pair of weapons, depending on what sound I'd like to hear. Also I hate the Boltos. There, I said it. But that's like my opinion, man.
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Does anyone happen to have a Prime Continuity spare that they're willing to sell for plat, or trade some stuff for? My ingame name is Waffleface. Also - Chat server seems to be down
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Fishstick posted:Does anyone happen to have a Prime Continuity spare that they're willing to sell for plat, or trade some stuff for? My ingame name is Waffleface. yeah I've got a prime cont I'll let go for the 50 plat I need for the rasta dreads for nekros.
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Mar 28, 2015 18:00
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If you haven't used it yet the VoidCrystal promo code still gives you a 3 day booster for xp and credits.
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Bear in the Woods posted:If you haven't used it yet the VoidCrystal promo code still gives you a 3 day booster for xp and credits. Just tried it, works fine. You don't need to buy plat, just redeem the promo code. If you did it right, it gives you no message and applies the 3-day xp/cred booster. If you already had boosters, it just adds to the duration.
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Was anybody still selling plat at CRAAAAAAAAZY prices?
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Warframe didnt feel like loading correctly, so I saw something that looks halfway between an archwing and Mag.  
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b00n posted:Warframe didnt feel like loading correctly, so I saw something that looks halfway between an archwing and Mag. I couldn't kill fast enough so I took my jetpack with me
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Nalesh posted:this is less than 5 min of thinking of how to rework him to be fun. This was rightly ignored, but I just wanted to point out that you've managed to make Excalibur's ult arguably even worse than it is now. Pure damage does not scale well at all, even DE has started to recognize this (though Mesa is an odd exception), and even if it can't hit anything right now, the current ultimate at least stuns things for a good bit of time.
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EroticBlacksmith posted:(though Mesa is an odd exception) I dunno, it seems that it might just be that her damage is so high that it doesn't have scaling issues.
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hooah posted:I dunno, it seems that it might just be that her damage is so high that it doesn't have scaling issues. Her damage is in a nice place, in that it has the same scaling issues as top-tier guns do. Having 95% damage reduction doesn't hurt either. That said, I wouldn't bring a Mesa to the raid or a 60 minute T4 survival.
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b00n posted:Warframe didnt feel like loading correctly, so I saw something that looks halfway between an archwing and Mag. Hah so that's what you were going on about. Yeah that's... weird as hell.
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hooah posted:I dunno, it seems that it might just be that her damage is so high that it doesn't have scaling issues. Mesa's damage also scales well over waves, since she doesn't have to wait for them to bunch, or for bubbles to pop. Much more energy efficient. She also picks off anything that wanders out of a bubble, while not having to leave her Limbo's Safe Space. Nalesh posted:this is less than 5 min of thinking of how to rework him to be fun. Just counterhit stagger the last guy, locking you into a finisher would get you killed. Or give Excalibur custom finisher animations with his ethereal Skana that don't take forever  Your Super Jump idea is cool, though. Except they gave it to Zephyr in Tail Wind and Divebomb, just like how that Radial Blind change is Oberon's Reckoning. Everything cool and good that could've been changed about Excalibur's powers went to another frame. I don't mind that, since those frames are neat, but holy gently caress does Excalibur need a total rework. I'd do something like- - Slash Dash: Same, guaranteed Slash proc, counterhit stagger the last guy. - Radial Blind: Same LoS blind effect, non-LoS bleed amplification, dealing the total damage in a chunk. - Super Jump: Toggle, Archwing-style melee lunging. Combo counter gets a multiplier to points gained per hit, affected by power strength. Augment for channeling efficiency during it, I guess. - Radial Javelin: Don't even loving bother, since DE can't balance radials for poo poo. Just cut the recovery frames like before and call it a day. Hell, give it a 100% status chance, why not - nothing's going to make Javelin fit well into the game that DE wants. Ash might be their designated bleed/slash frame, but whatever, he needs some changes too.
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randombattle posted:Counter point : nothing comes close to mattering enough that make having the "best" weapons a necessity. Use whatever you think is cool and you'll have more fun than if you only use the best weapons. Yes, this. Play with a gun or frame, see if you like how it handles, and if you see it has potential, invest in / "master" it and don't let conventional groupthink by bitter vets turn you off. Coming up with new combos or fun ways to use something is one of the strengths of this game. Although many of my recommendations are a result of trying out stuff that requires or utilizes more dynamic gameplay (which is the type of gameplay I find "fun"), I again want to stress that my recommendations aren't "because I think X is fun." I know that whenever I make a suggestion that runs contrary to opinion that's been extolled numerous times by maladjusteds, it's going to result in blowback. So I don't make these suggestions without a ton of play testing and being able to back up whatever I'm claiming. I know that if I get into a group with a Mesa running a Kohm (or whatever) in a 30+ minute survival, and I don't put out equivalent or superior numbers when running my "garbage," I run the risk of someone with a chip on their shoulder using that experience to reaffirm their prideful preconceived notions (about a freaking video game) and acting how you would expect someone like that to act. Also, +50% RELOAD SPEED is really good on some weapons. Over an extended period of time, it can translate into a separate 33% multiplicative damage bonus (or even more, depending) and it has a subtle benefit of increasing your survivability. To put this relatable terms, imagine a mod that said +66% DAMAGE, you will also take less damage. So it's like Magnum Force but without loving your accuracy.
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Dahbadu posted:Also, +50% RELOAD SPEED is really good on some weapons. Primed Fast Hands is also allowed in PvP 
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Except Mesa's aren't that great in survivals. Why not compare it to a nekros in an exterminate, if you're going to make idiotic assertions? Compare it to a good loki/soma or a mirage/soma or kohm, then get back to me. Hint: 90% of your reccomendations are garbage because you're using made-up metrics and/or playing with poo poo players. Naturally Selected fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Mar 28, 2015 |
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Dahbadu posted:+50% RELOAD SPEED is really good on some weapons. Over an extended period of time, it can translate into a separate 33% multiplicative damage bonus (or even more, depending) and it has a subtle benefit of increasing your survivability. To put this relatable terms, imagine a mod that said +66% DAMAGE, you will also take less damage. So it's like Magnum Force but without loving your accuracy. If you use primed fast hands on a weapon that spends 50% of its time reloading you only gain a 20% multiplier. It gets significantly worse for practical examples unless you're using a sniper or something. Khorne fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Mar 28, 2015 |
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I always thought that zephyr's jump/crash should have been one button. Press 1 on ground to soar up Press 1 in air to dive Then give her a wind knock back or something. And let it transfer status. So if you shoot a guy and proc slash, you press 2 and she does a Hulk clap move that slides them back and transfers slash to mobs behind the initial target. But I'm not into game development so...
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But then zephyr wouldn't be able to get through the entire map without touching the ground. Divebomb kinda sucks, but being able to fly into a copter into another flight is loving amazing.
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randombattle posted:Counter point : nothing comes close to mattering enough that make having the "best" weapons a necessity. Use whatever you think is cool and you'll have more fun than if you only use the best weapons. What matters is having a certain minimum level of effectiveness for the content you're going into, and in my opinion that means having around 10k sustained DPS to do t4s to 40m(though you'll go no further than that, and 35->40 will be a little dicey). This is ignoring frame abilities and other situational force multipliers.
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Khorne posted:It's significantly less of a damage bonus because warframe uses reload_time / (1 + bonus_reload_speed), and then you have to do an equation like [t_shooting / (t_shooting + t_reload)] * rawdps to get actual impact on damage output. I guess a 20% multiplier is better than the 8.75% multiplier you initially came up with. Although there is some truth to your revised expression (your original one was way off), there are so many factors involved, that something like reload speed and how it affects your overall performance is hard to quantify with a mathematical expression. I only quantified it above as a generalization to give people an idea of the mod's potential. What I do find interesting is that even your "in a vacuum" expression meant to diminish the mod's potential almost has the opposite effect. Image a mod that said +40% DAMAGE, you will also take less damage -- still sounds pretty rad, huh? And this all goes back to something I said weeks ago -- don't get stuck up on on-sheet DPS (which I consider a perfect example of "math in a vacuum"). Test things out and instead pay more attention to the results at the end of the mission. Combine those results with your gameplay experience. Are your damage/kill counts higher on the results with the modification? Did you feel safer during the mission? Did you like how the modification changed the handling of the weapon/frame? If so, then use it! Edit: But don't listen to me. I have  , and I never group with people running optimized "top tier" frames/weapons. Because, ya know, goons running optimized builds for "top tier" frames/weapons are so rare to find in 40 minute T3/4 survivals. Also, the people I group with are poo poo players.
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The effect of reload speed is super easy to quantify, man. You just replace [Reload Speed] in the sustained DPS number and change it to [Reload Speed / [1 + Reload Bonus]] and compare the two. This is particularly significant in full-auto or continuous weapons, where you get better ammo efficiency (and therefore uptime) from upping your DPS and using shorter bursts of fire than reducing reload or increasing clip size. It's why I keep telling people: If they wanna run Amprex skip the ammo mutations, clip size or reload bonuses and just max out that DPS, you'll get way better bang for your buck. (I mention Amprex 'cause it's my favorite weapon so I use it a lot) Kyte fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Mar 29, 2015 |
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Kyte posted:You just replace [Reload Speed] in the sustained DPS number and change it to [Reload Speed / [1 + Reload Bonus]] and compare the two. I'll let you figure out what you did here.
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Dahbadu posted:I'll let you figure out what you did here. You are the least helpful and most smug rear end in a top hat here.
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djw175 posted:You are the least helpful and most smug rear end in a top hat here. To be fair, it's really hard to be helpful when you're arguing that the earth is flat.
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I agree with Dahbadu that there's more that matters than just looking at the raw numbers in a vacuum.
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I can see Supra working thanks to the syndicate mod's proc, and I'm not gonna argue anything about melee because I don't ever switch to my melee weapon, but I still can't see how Ember could ever potentially be top-tier.
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I'm in my friends clan, just a few of us to stay in touch, but they're not around this weekend, any goons want to hook up? edit: same name ingame. Elendil004 fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Mar 29, 2015 |
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Mar 29, 2015 00:55
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Hotfix fuckin' with Effigy's credit boosting. RIP, 140k credit rewards every 2 minutes.
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My booster doesn't seem to be stacking with the double-credit weekend anymore.
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Male Man posted:My booster doesn't seem to be stacking with the double-credit weekend anymore. No! NO! NO! WHY DE WHY!?
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Hotfix fuckin' with Effigy's credit boosting. RIP, 140k credit rewards every 2 minutes. As we were in one, too. Oh well. Back to the void I guess. Wait I thought they were trying to get us out of the void?
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