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ToastyPotato posted:That had little to do with him wearing a helmet and everything to do with the fact that the Stallone movie hosed the chances of Dredd doing well. I did not speak to a single person about that movie in real life who didn't bring up the lovely Stallone film. It just didn't have the marketing budget to overcome the damage that had been done to the brand. I mean, I didn't know anyone who thought it was a sequel or related to the first film, they just assumed Judge Dredd was naturally dumb because of the Stallone film. The Stallone film came out about 20 years ago and I don't think factored one way or another into how well the most recent version did. Sometimes good movies just don't do well at the box office. Edit: Gaz-L posted:Dredd bombed. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Mar 28, 2015 |
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Pfft, next thing you'll be telling me Elektra and Catwoman didn't bomb because they had female leads!  (I know Dredd failed for other reasons, but what ACTUALLY happens and what studios choose to SEE as happening are different things.)
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The theatrical release date isn't very relevant when the film didn't exactly drop off of the face of the Earth after it came out. People were screaming "I am the law!" for many, many years after that movie came out. It stuck with people well enough, and many 20 somethings still clearly remember it. Obviously older people are going to remember it too. It's not like the new Dredd was marketed to teens and tweens.
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gently caress, if it wasn't 3am, and I didn't have to be at work tomorrow, I'd totally fire up that movie. "Mama's not the law. I am the law!" 
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ToastyPotato posted:The theatrical release date isn't very relevant when the film didn't exactly drop off of the face of the Earth after it came out. People were screaming "I am the law!" for many, many years after that movie came out. It stuck with people well enough, and many 20 somethings still clearly remember it. Obviously older people are going to remember it too. It's not like the new Dredd was marketed to teens and tweens. I think you seriously overestimate the number of people who even remember there ever was a movie called Judge Dredd starring Sylvester Stallone.
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Skwirl posted:I think you seriously overestimate the number of people who even remember there ever was a movie called Judge Dredd starring Sylvester Stallone. Well I think you underestimate it. It wasn't exactly a movie that no one saw. I am not saying it was the sole cause of failure, but it was non-negligible. Probably significant. Ultimately the marketing failed Dredd, but the marketing already had a negative perception of the brand to overcome, which certainly did not help.
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ToastyPotato posted:Well I think you underestimate it. It wasn't exactly a movie that no one saw. Agreed. Although even people who didn't see the movie still knew enough about it. I was 12 when it came out and I never saw it but have scenes burned in my memory; the marketing at the time was pretty prolific. I mean, Stalone in a goofy rear end helmet is the most mainstream awareness the brand ever got. And if anyone over the age of like 25 who grew up seeing it in the dollar bin at Walmart or on HBO along with Demolition Man didn't remember it, hearing about the new movie would be enough to jog their memory. Or doing a google search of the character and seeing Stalone's goofy mug. All of my friends kept quoting "I AM THE LAAAWWW" right around the time of Dredd 2012's release.
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Stallone's Dredd was a train wreck that lodged itself into the collective consciousness. People who have never seen the movie know it as a horrible pile of crap, it's the superhero Ishtar.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyph_DZa_GQ
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I am the law.
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ToastyPotato posted:What did Green Lantern prove? His mask barely covered his face, and there was no other Green Lantern show or anything for people to confuse it with? Unless you mean people being confused by a white GL because they thought John Stewart from the cartoon was the only human GL. But that isn't really the kind of confusion we are talking about here, because that is a bit more legitimate, since it is two different characters who share the same superhero name, as opposed to two versions of the same person. And I feel like the only people who were confused were people who watched the cartoon and never read a single GL comic, played any game with him in it, or even watched the Superman cartoon that had Hal in it. The Ryan Reynolds movie did kill the new Green lantern cartoon, which was actuality pretty good, as stores wouldn't order merchandise since they were burned so badly on the movie. Though that has little to do with audience confusing characters and more with a licenses having a bad reputation. And with Dredd, it's really no wonder that people used the Stallone movie as a frame of reference, since it had very little marketing to dispel that notion. What I genuinely don't understand is that, even if you would assume that audience get really easily confused by a character having two different unrelated media presences, why is that an issue? One is going to be a multi million blockbuster that millions of people around the globe will see, the other is a minor CW show. The movie eclipses the show by such a magnitude that I don't see what the damage is supposed to be here.
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e X posted:The Ryan Reynolds movie did kill the new Green lantern cartoon, which was actuality pretty good, as stores wouldn't order merchandise since they were burned so badly on the movie. Though that has little to do with audience confusing characters and more with a licenses having a bad reputation. I agree 100%. I really don't think audience confusion is a real issue in this kind of situation. The only way it becomes a problem is if the execs are flat out expecting one or the other to be a huge failure and ruin the other one.
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ToastyPotato posted:I agree 100%. I really don't think audience confusion is a real issue in this kind of situation. The only way it becomes a problem is if the execs are flat out expecting one or the other to be a huge failure and ruin the other one. This going to be a bigger Will Smith bomb than focus.
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e X posted:The Ryan Reynolds movie did kill the new Green lantern cartoon, which was actuality pretty good, as stores wouldn't order merchandise since they were burned so badly on the movie. Though that has little to do with audience confusing characters and more with a licenses having a bad reputation. Not sure how many people would buy those lovely character models as toys anyway.
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Aphrodite posted:Not sure how many people would buy those lovely character models as toys anyway. Hey, those models would look great as toys. Except for Hal's since he's the worst one, but that's true for anything. Where does Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt fall in the MCU timeline? It's obviously based on Silk and it came out just before Daredevil, but nothing on the Battle of New York has been mentioned yet, unless the city hiding that whole deal is a subplot to mirror her trying to move past the whole bunker business with Ezekiel? Hope she gets her Silk suit soon. MorningMoon fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Mar 29, 2015 |
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Hey, those models would look great as toys. Except for Hal's since he's the worst one, but that's true for anything. You mean Richard Wayne Gary Wayne right? (He's the real Mandarin)
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jscolon2.0 posted:This going to be a bigger Will Smith bomb than focus. Focus had a 50M budget and has made 120M worldwide.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Focus had a 50M budget and has made 120M worldwide. And still bombed, because how much money you have to make to not bomb scales with the leads, the genre, the season, the phase of the moon and studio executive whim. Welcome to Hollywood where the math only counts when we say it does.
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quote:Dredd chat Welp, guess I'm whipping out my Anthrax vinyl this morning, 'cause now this is stuck on endless loop in my head. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3ta5ahB-6w As for Powers... I'll echo the poster who mentioned Eddie Izzard being a delight, he really sells the show. That said, it's no Flash, and if you tried to make a drinking game of even taking a sip of beer every time someone says "gently caress", you'll be dead of alcohol poisoning before the opening credits. The writing often feels like I'm watching a bunch of teens high-fiving while saying "duuuude, since we're not airing on tv, we can drop as many f-bombs as we want!" "Yeah, bro!" JacquelineDempsey fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Mar 29, 2015 |
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Welp, guess I'm whipping out my Anthrax vinyl this morning, 'cause now this is stuck on endless loop in my head. I'm pretty sure that's just being faithful to the original work.
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SirDan3k posted:And still bombed, because how much money you have to make to not bomb scales with the leads, the genre, the season, the phase of the moon and studio executive whim. It's (a little) below expectations, it's not a bomb. It's pretty different from the kind of busines After Earth did.
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Finally finished Arrow season 2, which I rather enjoy minus the last half being Dark Knight Rises lite, but I hope next season Thea doesn't return, as it got very tiring when her character "Grrr you lied to me, I hate you and leaving town with my mass murdering dad!".
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S3 spoiler:She's still a regular, but they do address your concern.
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Gaz-L posted:Dredd bombed. Dredd actually had really good DVD/Blu-Ray sales.
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I haven't seen anyone mention it, but in Old TV news, if you have Turner Classic Movies on your cable package, they've been running the Batman serials from 1943 every Saturday at 10 AM. They're not particularly good, but hey, it's comic history. There is some really silly stuff like Batman taking a gangster to the Batcave, but it's not the Batcave as we know it today, it's just a cave full of bats and he just threatens to leave him there with the bats.
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Rirse posted:"Grrr you lied to me, I hate you and leaving town with my mass murdering dad!". Don't worry about this at all.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Dredd actually had really good DVD/Blu-Ray sales. Not good enough according to one of the producers.
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Grain of salt: Devin Faraci says he's "hearing very bad buzz on Daredevil." Granted, he's been pretty negative on the show and the rest of the Defenders project for a while, so we'll have to wait until the reviews hit (later this week, I think) to see how much of this is confirmation bias and how much is an accurate summary of critical opinion.
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Hawkgirl has been cast in the Arrow/Flash spinoff show http://deadline.com/2015/03/arrow-flash-spinoff-hawkgirl-ciara-renee-cw-1201401280/ Dacap fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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Barry Convex posted:Grain of salt: Devin Faraci says he's "hearing very bad buzz on Daredevil." Granted, he's been pretty negative on the show and the rest of the Defenders project for a while, so we'll have to wait until the reviews hit (later this week, I think) to see how much of this is confirmation bias and how much is an accurate summary of critical opinion. I really hope this isn't true. I want this show to be good.
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Dacap posted:Hawkgirl has been cast in the Arrow/Flash spinoff show Seriously, what is this show? It all sounds like the set up for a complicated joke. "So a billionaire, a criminal, and two scientists in one body walk into a bar. Also there's an undead ninja and apparently a birdgirl there now."
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TwoPair posted:Seriously, what is this show? It all sounds like the set up for a complicated joke. "So a billionaire, a criminal, and two scientists in one body walk into a bar. Also there's an undead ninja and apparently a birdgirl there now." The best part is that Cold is going to be utterly unfazed. "Huh, so the Hispanic girl has wings sometimes. Neat."
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TwoPair posted:Seriously, what is this show? It all sounds like the set up for a complicated joke. "So a billionaire, a criminal, and two scientists in one body walk into a bar. Also there's an undead ninja and apparently a birdgirl there now." It's really the b-lister justice league at this point. I'm betting the show will be called The Brave and the Bold. Rip Hunter has been added to the cast now too http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cws-flash-arrow-spinoff-casts-785372 Dacap fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Mar 31, 2015 |
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Dacap posted:It's really the b-lister justice league at this point. I'm betting the show will be called The Brave and the Bold. Fffffffffuuccccckkkkkk!
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:I like Rip a lot more than Booster so I'm fine with this. See, in the future, possibly the 25th century, this will be a museum as the perfect example of a bad opinion. A just atrocious one. Goddamn just give me my Ted Kord DC. No, Ray "I''m Ted without the name" Palmer doesn't loving count. He's not a red-head and he isn't slightly chunky dammit
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DC has no idea what the gently caress they are doing movie wise or otherwise, they were basically blessed to have Nolan , they just won the lottery and we're now watching it as it as if it's that old Television series that had lottery winners on it and you watch them destroy their lives. They should put the guys who produce Arrow in charge of Movies producing because the people they got have their heads up their asses. That said I will just sit there and watch Batman Vs. Superman all day till I pass out in the theater from exhaustion.
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