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jkyuusai
Jun 26, 2008

homegrown man milk
The next update has already been released on the fast ring and is available now.

quote:

The big change in this version: it includes Microsoft's new, legacy-free browser, codenamed Project Spartan. This is the first public outing for the new browser, with its reduced, Chrome-like interface and Cortana integration.

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Snow Fire
Oct 29, 2011

Microsoft apparently just released build 10049 today for the fast ring, which includes a preview of the spartan web browser inside I've heard. Has anyone got the newest build to comment if there's any issues with it?

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I'm currently downloading fbl_impressive 10049 Professional from windows update. More news whenever that finishes and installs.

AAB
Nov 5, 2010

Spartan seems cool but it won't let you change the default engine off of Bing. Dangit, let me do Fark.com as my default browser, master web chief

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
You can write directly onto websites with Spartan.

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

Is Spartan the only real difference between this build and 10041?

I'm not even asking about new features, just any general improvements?

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Hover scroll is still broken. There's also a new bug where if you have an application open on another desktop, windows doesn't know about it. For example: I have Chrome open on the first desktop and then Skype and pidgin open on the second desktop. From my first desktop, I can click on Skype and it will think for a bit, realize it is open and then switch to it. If I click on pidgin, it will open up my buddy list instead of switching to my chats on the other desktop. From the second desktop, I can click on chrome and it will open a new chrome window on the second desktop. It has also duplicated my steam icon on the task bar.

I don't know what was added in besides spartan, but more things are broken. I'm a big proponent of running 10 as a main OS, but not for long if they keep breaking things. I haven't checked any full screen games, but I assume there's still an issue because there hasn't been a new driver yet. I guess I'll go try that now and then report back once I've had to hard reset.

Edit: Still broken. I've switched back to 7 so I can play video games.

Cojawfee fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Mar 31, 2015

Sophy Wackles
Dec 17, 2000

> access main security grid
access: PERMISSION DENIED.





jiffypop45 posted:

I'm trying to install the newest tech preview on virtualbox and have changed several settings and looked around for a solution but so far have came up empty. Has anyone else tried to run this in a virtual environment? VB even has a setting for it... and it seems like a lot of others are using it in that type of environment without issue.

Whenever I go to first boot it after creating the virtual machine it sits on the "windows is getting ready to install" icon (I'm not sure what else to call it). Then I get this:


My settings are the default windows 10 settings and I've never had any issue whatsoever setting up VM's before (this has included using a disc cloning software inside of a VM to clone another image, then cloning that image on top of the virtual machine). I've never used a corporate VM suit (citrix, VMWare, etc) but, feel like I know VB fairly well and this is just baffling me.

Host machine specs are below:

Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHZ
4GB DDR2 400mhz
1gb 9800M GTX

VM Settings are below (these are VB's default for the VM type)


I just installed preview 10041 on a VirtualBox VM with no problems (using VB 4.3.26). The extension pack installed fine as well. I gave it 2gb of RAM (I have 16 in my machine) , 50gb HD and 2 CPUs and it's running well. If you only give it 1 CPU, it gets pretty laggy for me at least (3.5ghz). When you installed, were you installing from a physical or virtual disk? I've found that sometimes I have to install stuff from a physical disk. And did you enable 3D/2D acceleration in the machine settings? Also I'm assuming you have virtualization on in your BIOS based on running other VMs OK.

Here are my settings:

Sophy Wackles fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Mar 31, 2015

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



I'm considering trying out Windows 10 on my little Atom-based tablet with Windows 8.1. How will the upgrade work, is it in-place or fresh install? Will it touch the OEM restore partition?

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I wouldn't suggest it at the moment.

AAB
Nov 5, 2010

I can draw dicks on everything and pretend like I'm a big hacker of websites. the devs at my work are mad because I keep doing childish things over top of their precious webapps and breaking them with a browser they can't test against.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal
Hey holy poo poo a Microsoft browser that supports Microsoft remote web workplace without needing trusted site and compatibility view set.

That's all I could have asked for.

OldPueblo
May 2, 2007

Likes to argue. Wins arguments with ignorant people. Not usually against educated people, just ignorant posters. Bing it.

Gwaihir posted:

Not sure if anyone else running this on a Thinkpad has run in to this, but windows update installed some new Synaptics drivers that didn't support the middle button for the trackpoint, killed off my trackpoint scrolling. Uninstalled them and rolled back to the latest Ultranav drivers on Lenovo's site for windows 8.1 and it works fine again. :toot:

At least until they push an older driver onto you again. My Thinkpad Yoga middle button quit working again and sure enough the customization panel is gone again and I'm back to the previous driver. :( They really need to make the driver stuff optional, I have a new video driver that keeps getting replaced with an old one as well.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe
So I know how to tweak the window metrics (titlebar size, border padding, etc) for normal desktop apps using the trick where oyu export the registry settings from a 7 computer set up the way you want. But how can you change the window metrics for the new Windows 10 style metro apps that run in windowed mode now? They have visibly different titlebar etc sizes and it's quite annoying.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
I thought I read this somewhere but is there a boot switch that enables running only Microsoft signed executables?

Gwaihir
Dec 8, 2009
Hair Elf
Executables? Not that I know of. You're probably thinking of a thing called Secure boot which allows booting only from a trusted source, based on keys stored in your motherboard's BIOS. It's a toggle though. (At least on normal purchased motherboards, an OEM could do whatever they want with it).

If an OEM locked it on you'd have to get your bootloader signed with Verisign/whoever is doing the keys (I think it's them) before you could boot the PC from it. It's intended as a defense against boot sector malware or security bypassing usb boot sticks or w/e.

Tivac
Feb 18, 2003

No matter how things may seem to change, never forget who you are
Rolled back my Nvidia driver using DDU to 347.88, seems to be much more stable than the DX12 stuff. Also had to tell windows to never install drivers for hardware which is unfortunate but oh well. Couldn't possibly go back to 7/8.1 at this point.

Factor Mystic
Mar 20, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

redeyes posted:

I thought I read this somewhere but is there a boot switch that enables running only Microsoft signed executables?

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd723683

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Thanks! So if I am reading this correctly, this basically makes Windows Pro run like RT, IE, no userland applications except presumably Microsoft stuff?

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

redeyes posted:

Thanks! So if I am reading this correctly, this basically makes Windows Pro run like RT, IE, no userland applications except presumably Microsoft stuff?

You could also just do standard AppLocker, which maintains a strict whitelist on what may run, controllable through group policy.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


Tivac posted:

Rolled back my Nvidia driver using DDU to 347.88, seems to be much more stable than the DX12 stuff. Also had to tell windows to never install drivers for hardware which is unfortunate but oh well. Couldn't possibly go back to 7/8.1 at this point.

What build number? (9926, 10041, 10049, etc)

If it's 10000+, does it actually obey "never install drivers from Windows Update"? Even if you think it does, test it with "Check for Updates" in the Settings App to make sure.

Tivac
Feb 18, 2003

No matter how things may seem to change, never forget who you are

Sir Unimaginative posted:

What build number? (9926, 10041, 10049, etc)

If it's 10000+, does it actually obey "never install drivers from Windows Update"? Even if you think it does, test it with "Check for Updates" in the Settings App to make sure.

I'm on 10049, after doing so I don't get offered any Nvidia drivers. I'll double-check when I get home tonight because I'm checking over Remote Desktop and it might be making things screwy.

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh
Anyone getting this?



I've got a partition of 29.2GB I'm running 10 on at the moment. 13.4GB is free. Surely it doesn't need more than that to install the latest build?

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost


Project Spartan is okay so far. I like the UI, but it's kinda showing the current limits of WinRT. For example, you can't drag tabs off to make new windows, which is weird to me. Hopefully they'll be some way to actually do that.

m3monster
Jan 3, 2009
10049 completely breaks VPN clients. It looks like they messed with the networking setting extensively for this update. It looks like they removed your ability to modify IP and DNS settings from the network and sharing center. So far, I have been unable to find a workaround.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


m3monster posted:

10049 completely breaks VPN clients. It looks like they messed with the networking setting extensively for this update. It looks like they removed your ability to modify IP and DNS settings from the network and sharing center. So far, I have been unable to find a workaround.

PowerShell (as administrator). Full reference if you want to do more than just set Google or OpenDNS.

For the record, I was afraid of this.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Drastic Actions posted:


Project Spartan is okay so far. I like the UI, but it's kinda showing the current limits of WinRT. For example, you can't drag tabs off to make new windows, which is weird to me. Hopefully they'll be some way to actually do that.
Nothing to do with WinRT limitations. Just a simple "feature not implemented yet".

Tivac
Feb 18, 2003

No matter how things may seem to change, never forget who you are

Sir Unimaginative posted:

What build number? (9926, 10041, 10049, etc)

If it's 10000+, does it actually obey "never install drivers from Windows Update"? Even if you think it does, test it with "Check for Updates" in the Settings App to make sure.

Tivac posted:

I'm on 10049, after doing so I don't get offered any Nvidia drivers. I'll double-check when I get home tonight because I'm checking over Remote Desktop and it might be making things screwy.

So far it's only installed an HD Audio driver from late 2014, Nvidia control panel still showing 347.88. So far no lockups in the past couple of hours.

m3monster
Jan 3, 2009

Sir Unimaginative posted:

PowerShell (as administrator). Full reference if you want to do more than just set Google or OpenDNS.

For the record, I was afraid of this.

Yeah that works. I really hope they change this, I am not happy that they are making it more difficult for power users to modify settings. For the record, I know they are not likely to do so, they want to lock it down so that fools who have no clue what they are doing can't break things and not be able to return them to working order.

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh

WattsvilleBlues posted:

Anyone getting this?



I've got a partition of 29.2GB I'm running 10 on at the moment. 13.4GB is free. Surely it doesn't need more than that to install the latest build?

Further to this, is there anywhere I can download an ISO of 10049, and is there a SHA1 hash I can check it against?

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


WattsvilleBlues posted:

Further to this, is there anywhere I can download an ISO of 10049, and is there a SHA1 hash I can check it against?

Microsoft doesn't make ISOs of fast builds, but the image itself sticks around even after installing it and you can probably find a thing to convert the payload to a full ISO, since it's just a Windows install disk without the Pre-installation Environment.

I get why you'd want to - upgrading to a newer OS in place seems to do weird stuff most of the time and that's exactly what you're doing.

chutwig
May 28, 2001

BURLAP SATCHEL OF CRACKERJACKS

Anyone using a 4K monitor? I installed a Dell P2415Q today and it has been basically a disaster. After rebooting the computer repeatedly and pouring holy water into it, it actually started working at the native resolution of 3840x2160x60Hz for a few hours before bailing out again and falling back to 1920x1080. I don't know whether this is par for the course or Windows 10-related, specifically. My Mac isn't able to drive the monitor at its native resolution, so I don't have anything else to test with unless I format and install Windows 7/8.1.

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010

I'm not sure if I never noticed this in an earlier build, but I like that if you have multiple monitors quickly moving to the top right sort of sticks it to the edge of the current screen. Makes closing windows on each monitor much quicker than accidentally mousing past, moving back and trying to get on the icon.

I think the current start menu is a step back though. The resizable menu that you could stick locations and stuff to the left was nicer. And Cortana (Which doesn't work for me in Australia) might be nice but hitting Winkey, then typing looks ncier on 7 because it replaces part of the menu with the search. The current look just adds yet another box over the top which is rather messy. And related to that, when I have small icons the search bar looks really off. It remains the same size as it was with large icons, only because everything is small it sort of hangs over the top of everything. Small thing, but the small things matter.

And yes, I have submitted feedback because that's the purpose of the builds.

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

syntaxfunction posted:

I'm not sure if I never noticed this in an earlier build, but I like that if you have multiple monitors quickly moving to the top right sort of sticks it to the edge of the current screen. Makes closing windows on each monitor much quicker than accidentally mousing past, moving back and trying to get on the icon.

That was introduced in 8.

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010

HalloKitty posted:

That was introduced in 8.

Huh, don't I feel silly. I actually skipped 8. I've got 7 on one drive and 10 on another. Maybe it was broken for me previously then because I certainly don't remember having it last build. 8 was one of those things that I knew had some cool additions, but I usually stick with the "every two editions" rule. I used it a fair bit, it was fine, I just didn't feel the need to upgrade over 7.

beejay
Apr 7, 2002

What do you mean "usually," that you got XP and 7 but not Vista so now it's some sort of tradition?

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



beejay posted:

What do you mean "usually," that you got XP and 7 but not Vista so now it's some sort of tradition?
Could have skipped ME after 98SE as well. And 98 after 95.

CalvinandHobbes
Aug 5, 2004

Has there been any rumor of SMS integration between Windows 10 and Windows 10 mobile? That's one of the most killer features in the apple ecosystem currently and i'm shocked Microsoft hasn't copied it yet.

Apple seems to be going with the "two completely different operating systems that talk to each other route" while Microsoft may be trying the "One underlying operating system that doesn't interact with its different versions..."

beejay
Apr 7, 2002

lol. Basically nobody that says something like that is factoring in Windows 98 and ME. My point is Vista started this thing where people think they are being really clever by saying they skip every other version of Windows, and it's kind of silly. An argument could even be made (and probably has) that they reason they "skipped" Windows "9" was to get the whole notion out of people's heads.

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Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
no one would skip 10 because they all skipped 8

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