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If it was just a dumb prank, whatever. But the way he tried to justify it with this bullshit:quote:"- and after we were done giving him all the sweets I'd bought, we were like, 'Let's give him some money! Ha ha ha! Have some Knuts, boy! Have a silver Sickle!' and dancing around him and laughing evilly and so on. I think there were some people in the crowd who wanted to interfere at first, but bystander apathy held them off at least until they saw what we were doing, and then I think they were all too confused to do anything. Finally he said in this tiny little whisper 'go away' so the three of us all screamed and ran off, shrieking something about the light burning us. Hopefully he won't be as scared of being bullied in the future. That's called desensitisation therapy, by the way." Just get hosed Yudkowsky. Seriously someone please tell me he gets punched in the face.
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His SCIENCE book list is rather curious. GEB is obviously great but it's more of a generalist, popular thing and the Kahneman/Tversky study on heuristics comes from 1982; if that's his go-to book on psychology, it's a pretty interesting choice. edit: No, that's not how desensivization works.
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# ? Mar 30, 2015 19:58 |
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By happy coincidence this article popped up today and it seems relevant to this thread/Yuddy Utilitarianism vs psychopathy Basically there is a paper out in the peer reviewed cognitive science journal Cognition that takes apart the kind of "utilitarian sacrificial moral dilemmas" Yuddy and his cult likes as being psychopathic rather than utilitarian or altruistic.
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anilEhilated posted:His SCIENCE book list is rather curious. GEB is obviously great but it's more of a generalist, popular thing and the Kahneman/Tversky study on heuristics comes from 1982; if that's his go-to book on psychology, it's a pretty interesting choice. Almost all of Yudkowsky's good work is a popularization of Kahneman with the serial numbers filed off, so it wouldn't surprise me if that was true. E: you can see some of the "serial numbers filed off" effect in that frustrating tendency to rename things that already have names. SolTerrasa fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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petrol blue posted:I think Yud is referring to flooding, but who the hell knows with Yud. Nah, the idea behind flooding is to keep going with the phobic stimulus till the patient's panic/adrenaline reaction has run its course and they are too tired to continue to respond. Theory being if you sit around not reacting to clowns or whatever because you're too tired to move for long enough you'll realize the phobia is irrational and clowns are actually harmless. Also does not work very well without patient consent. i81icu812 fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Aug 30, 2015 |
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i81icu812 posted:Nah, the idea behind flooding is to keep going with the phobic stimulus till the patient's panic/adrenaline reaction has run its course and they are too tired to continue to respond. Theory being after if you don't reacting to clowns or whatever because you're too tired to move for long enough you'll realize the phobia is irrational and clowns are actually harmless. Also does not work very well without patient consent. God, I don't think I could handle that for my flying phobia.
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Like, after the war I did slow escalation of getting used to my trigger (crowds and whatever). Just throwing me in the mall on xmas is a terrible idea.
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SolTerrasa posted:Almost all of Yudkowsky's good work is a popularization of Kahneman with the serial numbers filed off, so it wouldn't surprise me if that was true. With Yud there is a lot of 'serial numbers filed off'. But not just renaming stuff--there's a lot more. There's also using obscure terminology or spelling for the hell of it (Bayes's Theorem vs Bayes' Theorem, truth and beauty quarks vs top and bottom quarks). And then there's misusing technical terms with agreed definitions for something else entirely, like with desensitization therapy. And of course there's just plain wrong science (quantum Hamiltonian, faster than light signaling). So far the majority of the scientific or technical terms have been wrong in one way or another. i81icu812 fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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i81icu812 posted:With Yud there is a lot of 'serial numbers filed off'. I won't link to my full review again, but yes, I read the whole drat thing and I think there are probably less than 5 unambiguously correct technical references in the entire story. Out of several dozen.
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Chapter 9: Title Redacted, Part Iquote:
Is there a stereotype that “wise old men” are supposed to be “Oriental”? Aren’t there plenty of “wise old men” in Western / European myth and literature, not least of which is Merlin, who was clearly the template on which Dumbledore was based and who was distinctly non-Oriental? quote:
I don’t recall that from the books. Was that in the canon series?
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JosephWongKS posted:Chapter 9: Title Redacted, Part I Oriental is pretty... uhh... outdated terminology, too.
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Darth Walrus posted:Oriental is pretty... uhh... outdated terminology, too. Oh yeah, that too. I guess my racism detector was numbed after Eliezarry's earlier spiel about "blood of the Enlightenment" and the poor benighted places that didn't have it. Maybe Eliezer also used "Oriental" when he was eleven?
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JosephWongKS posted:I don’t recall that from the books. Was that in the canon series? The bit about Flitwick? Not really. He's described as being really short, but him having a goblin ancestor was said by Rowling in an interview, so it's not mentioned in the books or the movies.
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JosephWongKS posted:Oh yeah, that too. I guess my racism detector was numbed after Eliezarry's earlier spiel about "blood of the Enlightenment" and the poor benighted places that didn't have it. Maybe Eliezer also used "Oriental" when he was eleven? I *think* (not being of South East Asian extraction) that it's not acquired the same offensive nature in the UK. But it's not a commonly used word - it definitely has an archaic feel or the Victorian times and 'Orientalism', the art movement. Having said that, 'Oriental' doesn't feature in the Office of National Statistics list of census racial categories in England/Wales/Scotland/N. Ireland (see here), and most of the references in a quick Google search (for 'oriental offensive uk') seem to be people being confused as to whether it is offensive or not. So it *may* be badly applied 'trying to be British'. Maybe.
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Nah, it's dodgy as hell to use here, too. Mainly because of the sort of people who do use it.
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Added Space posted:We know that vaccines will kill several children every year Indeed:
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# ? Mar 31, 2015 12:38 |
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JosephWongKS posted:Is there a stereotype that “wise old men” are supposed to be “Oriental”? Only if you're in a martial arts movie.
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Really the stereotype is that Wise Old Men have to have big beards.
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# ? Mar 31, 2015 16:02 |
Or Fu Manchus. Depending on the alignment.
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The only time 'oriental' seems appropriate these days is when talking about antiques. My grandmother had a very nice oriental rug in her house. Not sure if it was a real antique though.
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# ? Mar 31, 2015 16:59 |
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Or ramen. Have to distinguish the oriental from the beef from the chicken Though I guess you could say blue, red, and orange
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I room with a chinese guy, and he could never figure out what flavor oriental was trying to be.
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Pavlov posted:I room with a chinese guy, and he could never figure out what flavor oriental was trying to be.
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Fried Chicken posted:Or ramen. Have to distinguish the oriental from the beef from the chicken i81icu812 fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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i81icu812 posted:How do you make non-oriental ramen? Buy a pack of Mr Noodles?
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The food of peak , in every sense.
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su3su2u1 posted:I won't link to my full review again, but yes, I read the whole drat thing and I think there are probably less than 5 unambiguously correct technical references in the entire story. Out of several dozen. I'm bored. Let's count! Chapter 1 No science Chapter 2 Violated Conservation of Energy via cat transformation- No. Not necessarily violating conservation of energy. Could be a very heavy cat. Or the mass energy turned into some other non-mass energy that you can't see. Etc. Conservation of energy implied by form of quantum Hamiltonian - No. Non energy conserving Hamiltonians can be computed just fine. Rejecting [Conservation of energy] destroys unitarity - No. Non energy conserving Hamiltonians can still preserve unitarity. and then [rejecting unitarity] you get FTL signalling - No. Faster than light signaling has nothing to do with this, as far as I can tell. Chapter 3 Bystander effect- Yes and no. Defined and example of original study noted correctly. Application of bystander effect to nation states less than clear. Chapter 4 Seigniorage - Yes. Defined. Arbitrage - Yes. Defined with example Fermi calculation - Yes. Defined with example Chapter 5 Fundamental attribution error - Yes. Defined with example Chapter 6 Natural language understanding - No. Bag does not demonstrate natural language understanding. The planning fallacy - Yes and no. Defined correctly. Context example of McGonagall saying a first aid kit is unneeded is not actually an example of the planning fallacy, since no duration planning takes place. Bayes's Theorem - Bayes' Theorem is the usual spelling for historical reasons. Chapter 7 Naming schema - No. Not a schema. Reciprocation theory - Yes. Defined with example Chapter 8 Truth and beauty quarks - Top and bottom typically used Positive bias - No. Example given but bizarre and inaccurate rename of confirmation bias Bystander apathy - Yes. Previously defined in bystander effect discussion from Chapter 3. Desensitisation therapy No. Example of bullying with a conventionalist view given but totally wrong. UK spelling. Consequentialism - Yes defined and example given. Huh. Pretty much any technical term is either explicitly or implicitly defined, sometime both. If no definition is given it is probably misused, but even seeing a definition or example isn't a guarantee that it is correct. Yud does pretty terrible on physical sciences but has a much better record for the social sciences. i81icu812 fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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i81icu812 posted:How do you make non-oriental ramen? Isn't "ramen" just American for two-minute noodles?
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Tiggum posted:Isn't "ramen" just American for two-minute noodles? Don't forget the two slices of bland meat!
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i81icu812 posted:Desensitisation therapy No. Example of bullying with a conventionalist view given but totally wrong. UK spelling. Don't assume that anything spelt with an 's' is British English, and a 'z' American. The OED (Oxford English Dictionary), tends to favour 'z' spellings for certain British-English words which other British authorities spell with an 's' - e.g. desensitize (and hence desensitization). Apparently 'consequentialism' is spelt with an 's' even in American English (Other Sources Here). Although, in the spirit of nit-picking that this post seems to have inspired in me, you haven't actually stated that it isn't the American English spelling!
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NeoAnjou posted:Don't assume that anything spelt with an 's' is British English, and a 'z' American. It's pretty much what I do!
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Arbite posted:Don't forget the two slices of bland meat! You get bland meat with your ramen? Lucky.
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NeoAnjou posted:Don't assume that anything spelt with an 's' is British English, and a 'z' American. What do you mean? Every red-blooded American knows all about conzequentialism
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NeoAnjou posted:Don't assume that anything spelt with an 's' is British English, and a 'z' American. Technically correct is the best kind of correct! Or I saw red on the firefox spellcheck and stopped thinking. >.> In the spirit of nit-picking I welcome any and all corrections/comments/miscellaneous persnicketiness. Besides, its what Yud wants: a list of all the errors without reading the 'sneer culture' at somethingawful or on su3su2u1's blog. Or the sane people on the internet everywhere. i81icu812 fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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Yudkowsky's OK Cupid posted:I happened to be in New York City during the annual Union Square pillow fight, so I showed up dual-wielding two pillows, a short maneuverable pillow for blocking incoming blows and a longer pillow in my right hand for striking. These two pillows were respectively inscribed "Probability Theory" and "Decision Theory"; because the list of Eliezer Yudkowsky Facts, which I had no hand in composing, says that all problems can be solved with probability theory and decision theory, and probability theory and decision theory are the names of my fists. Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Apr 4, 2015 |
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Darth Walrus posted:Oriental is pretty... uhh... outdated terminology, too. I learned the specific, non-racist use after a fraternity at my campus hosted an "Oriental party". Oriental when referring to physical objects, like carpets and vases, is a correct use. When applied to people it's racist. For a self-proclaimed expert like Yud to not know this simple distinction is probably more a factor of the insulated bubble he lives that has never forced him to hear differing points of view/correct terminology and thus operates on the belief that everything he knows is the correct thought because otherwise he wouldn't know it.
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# ? Apr 5, 2015 04:47 |
"I wouldn't get offended if they said I was an Occidental. Why are they offended over Oriental?"
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I think most people would just be confused.
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NeoAnjou posted:I *think* (not being of South East Asian extraction) that it's not acquired the same offensive nature in the UK. But it's not a commonly used word - it definitely has an archaic feel or the Victorian times and 'Orientalism', the art movement. Yeah, I think you've got it. British English Asian = from the Indian subcontinent, so you need some other word for people from the rest of Asia therefore Oriental. Americans decide Oriental (as an ethnic group) is offensive, Brits remain confused. The bigger question is why Yud thinks Wise Old Men should be stereotypically Oriental/East Asian and not Merlin-clones. petrol blue posted:
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Chapter 9: Title Redacted, Part I Part 2 quote:
“You can't just mix two different species together and get viable offspring?” Really? Seriously? How is it possible that someone as well-read as Eliezarry has never heard of or read about mules or ligers or other hybrid animals? Mules have been bred since antiquity, and ligers have been known since the 19th century and bred since the early 20th century, before the 1990s in which this series takes place. quote:
Not to mention that there totally are such things as amphibious vehicles, and they’ve existed at least early as the 18th century. quote:
That does make sense – Slytherins are supposed to be “ambitious, shrewd and cunning”, none of which describes Goyle (or Crabbe) in the canon series. quote:
I must admit I chuckled at that.
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