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^^^Yep. So dumb.In It For The Tank posted:Is there a quote you could point to? I haven't seen the film in a while. I don't have a quote now, but I remember reading that in descriptions of the movie before it came out. As for the ending to this movie, it looks like the entire point is that... Whis is training Goku and Vegeta and basically explains that they;re pretty equal to each other. This is demonstrated in the Freeza fight where they both "win" in different ways. However, because they are fighting to prove who is the "best" at fighting, and Freeza is a big dumb sore loser who just blows up the planet because he loses, Whis is fine with running time back. Because it's Vegeta, and not Goku that is in the middle of the fight when running time back, he lets Goku interfere to stop the bad ending. The ending lets them both shine, but Goku just happens to be the one "out" of the situation that can actually interfere.
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So uh...Goku going back in time should mean there are now two Goku's, right? One who stops Freeza, and the other who is beaten up?
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Mar 31, 2015 14:42
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facebook jihad posted:So uh...Goku going back in time should mean there are now two Goku's, right? One who stops Freeza, and the other who is beaten up? Goku is inside the Sphere of influence for the Time Travel, so he's not left in the affected by it.
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Mar 31, 2015 14:52
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That whole "stronger than Buu" thing was weird to me even as a dumb kid because I thought it wasn't that the guy was stronger, but rather that he was trickier to fight since he can merge and control any and all metal while Buu is a singular entity. So while I could easily look past this as a translation error, I don't know what the Japanese had and that could be the one at fault.
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Mar 31, 2015 15:09
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If I didn't know better, I'd think Dragonball GT was written before the cast was shoehorned in. Kinda like how the super mario bros 2 that got released out of Japan was a completely different game with mario characters replacing the originals.
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Mar 31, 2015 15:22
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i dont like the blue hair. theres too many hair colors now/
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Mar 31, 2015 15:44
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red hair - cool kaio ken, sick rear end technique gold hair - insanely good super sayain spikier gold hair - super sayain two comes with lightning, good. long and ridic. gold hair - ss3, a bit over the top, dont like the design other red hair - ss god, whatever looks kinda cool with the fire and stuff blue hair - i dont even know. thought they didnt have to go ss anymore.
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Mar 31, 2015 15:45
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I think GT would be a lot more palatable if they dropped the power level escalation, at least from the beginning. The grand tour crew is a literal child, a guy stuck in his weak, underpowered child body, and a man who hadn't been in a serious fight since he was 8. There's no need to make Rildo stronger than Buu. "As strong as Freeza" would have sufficed.
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Mar 31, 2015 15:55
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Or they could not try to play up dudes as big threats and have actual goofy adventures instead. Written by somebody competent
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Mar 31, 2015 16:09
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I mean, a ton of Dragonball was Goku just kicking everyone's rear end without much tension. It was more the stakes Goku was fighting for.
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Mar 31, 2015 16:16
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Goku should just wish for a stronger rival.
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Mar 31, 2015 16:17
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Goku turns into a child, takes another blow to the head, falls into another dimension, and then calls himself Monkey D. Luffy and punches some pirates.
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Mar 31, 2015 16:17
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Goku could have just kept having stupid adventures forever Kochikame style
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Mar 31, 2015 16:20
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Really SonGo's Mystical Adventures would definitly not be a bad series, although for the 4th series it has to become SonPan's Mystical Adventures, but why not, the Monkey king and his descendents running about having magical adventures.
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Mar 31, 2015 16:24
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They should just have Future Trunks kill Frieza again. Like, still do the Goku goes back in time thing, but just before he kills Frieza, Trunks jumps out of nowhere and chops him up again.
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Mar 31, 2015 16:48
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Vegeta should have been about to eat poo poo along with Earth, only to be saved by an incoming Destructo Disk slicing Frieza in half
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Mar 31, 2015 16:52
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Dexo posted:Goku is inside the Sphere of influence for the Time Travel, so he's not left in the affected by it. This, like all time travel, doesn't make any sense. Sorry
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facebook jihad posted:This, like all time travel, doesn't make any sense. Sorry Whis just vaporized the other Goku after they went back in time. Problem solved.
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Mar 31, 2015 16:59
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tbp posted:blue hair - i dont even know. thought they didnt have to go ss anymore. This is actually wrong. What Toriyama said is that, after Battle of Gods, Goku realizes that training his Super Saiyan form will be far more effective than using the Super Saiyan 2 or 3 forms, while using far less energy. As such, Goku and Vegeta (and Gohan because Toriyama forgot again that Gohan doesn't need it) will keep using the original Super Saiyan state as their "default" high-level fight state. The Blue Super Saiyan is the original Super Saiyan state after becoming a Saiyan beyond God, it's not a theoretical Super Saiyan 5.
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Mar 31, 2015 17:01
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Talking about GT and the new movies made me wonder something: Super Saiyan God makes Goku and Vegeta more powerful, but would regrowing their tails make them even more powerful?
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Mar 31, 2015 17:17
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Mraagvpeine posted:All this GT talk makes me wonder something: Super Saiyan God makes Goku and Vegeta more powerful, but would regrowing their tails make them even more powerful? Well if you became a Super Saiyan God 4 and turned into an electric-blue monkey man or some poo poo like that, I guess so.
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Mar 31, 2015 17:18
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The Bee posted:Well if you became a Super Saiyan God 4 and turned into an electric-blue monkey man or some poo poo like that, I guess so. Spoiler pics are coming out from the new film about exactly this! 
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Mar 31, 2015 18:08
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We were discussing DBZ openings like a hundred pages back, but we didn't talk about DB openings. Here's the opening to Dragonball in Castillian. Zero regard for meter. The guy sounds like my old portero.  http://youtu.be/m3vn5OLrDDII actually like the Funimation version a lot, especially since they worked in the English parts of the original. So 80s...
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Mar 31, 2015 18:30
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Caros posted:Spoiler pics are coming out from the new film about exactly this! that poo poo so 90s
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Mar 31, 2015 18:34
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facebook jihad posted:This, like all time travel, doesn't make any sense. Sorry whis is a god he can do whatever he wants he can time travel and not make any new timelines and whatever else he wants done
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Mar 31, 2015 18:49
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sharktamer posted:that poo poo so 90s Time for a death battle of which is more 90's. 
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Mar 31, 2015 18:50
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Blaze Dragon posted:This is actually wrong. What Toriyama said is that, after Battle of Gods, Goku realizes that training his Super Saiyan form will be far more effective than using the Super Saiyan 2 or 3 forms, while using far less energy. As such, Goku and Vegeta (and Gohan because Toriyama forgot again that Gohan doesn't need it) will keep using the original Super Saiyan state as their "default" high-level fight state. The Blue Super Saiyan is the original Super Saiyan state after becoming a Saiyan beyond God, it's not a theoretical Super Saiyan 5. it should just be gold hair then bc thats what it was in BOG. and they already did the whole insane thing where they mastered SS in the time chamber! also there was never any indication that ss2 took too much power, its the default for everyone in buu onwards. also the blue looks silly.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Time for a death battle of which is more 90's. Why does Superman need guns? Man is faster than a speeding bullet!
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Mar 31, 2015 20:16
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The man just died, give him some slack.
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tbp posted:it should just be gold hair then bc thats what it was in BOG. and they already did the whole insane thing where they mastered SS in the time chamber! also there was never any indication that ss2 took too much power, its the default for everyone in buu onwards. also the blue looks silly. Yeah, the entire point behind SS2 was that it conferred all the benefits of Ascended/Ultra/Super Vegeta/TooManyNames Super Saiyan without the bulk and speed loss. It was always portrayed as strictly superior to SS1. Conversely, SS3 was always a form that Goku had a hard time sustaining with a living body and used so much energy that it actively drained his life force. I can completely understand discontinuing the use of SS3, but SS2 should still work fine. I guess I can kinda buy the "more efficient" argument since Goku and Gohan were able to master it enough to stay in it at all times. I guess another transformation on top of it is inherently stressful, but it shouldn't be enough of a strain to completely drop its use.
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Mr. Maltose posted:The man just died, give him some slack. Did his death damage his ability to reason and perform abstract valuing? tbp posted:it should just be gold hair then bc thats what it was in BOG. and they already did the whole insane thing where they mastered SS in the time chamber! also there was never any indication that ss2 took too much power, its the default for everyone in buu onwards. also the blue looks silly. To be fair, you haven't seen what it looks like yet outside of a toy. It might look find animated.
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Covok posted:Why does Superman need guns? Man is faster than a speeding bullet! He died and came back almost entirely powerless.
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ImpAtom posted:He died and came back almost entirely powerless. Oh...why? I don't mean in fiction, I mean why did DC comics think it'd be cool to take away all the powers of the Superman and make him look like the Punisher? It just feels so out of left field. Edit: He has a similar color scheme to the punisher in that picture.
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Mar 31, 2015 20:51
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Zonekeeper posted:Yeah, the entire point behind SS2 was that it conferred all the benefits of Ascended/Ultra/Super Vegeta/TooManyNames Super Saiyan without the bulk and speed loss. It was always portrayed as strictly superior to SS1. Conversely, SS3 was always a form that Goku had a hard time sustaining with a living body and used so much energy that it actively drained his life force. I can completely understand discontinuing the use of SS3, but SS2 should still work fine. I too am an expert on aliens with gold hair.
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Covok posted:Oh...why? I don't mean in fiction, I mean why did DC comics think it'd be cool to take away all the powers of the Superman and make him look like the Punisher? It just feels so out of left field. It was after he was beaten to death by Doomsday. It didn't last beyond the story where he was resurrected. (He gets repowered at the end of it.)
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another thought -> why did it start taking goku less and less time to turn ss3. it takes him like 20 mins the first time, then to show goten and trunks takes like 3 mins, then against super buu its instant! utterly ridiculous
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tbp posted:another thought -> why did it start taking goku less and less time to turn ss3. it takes him like 20 mins the first time, then to show goten and trunks takes like 3 mins, then against super buu its instant! utterly ridiculous The first time he did it, he was dead. Gotenks is literally magic. Then, the next time Goku did it, he was alive. Makes sense to me.
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tbp posted:another thought -> why did it start taking goku less and less time to turn ss3. it takes him like 20 mins the first time, then to show goten and trunks takes like 3 mins, then against super buu its instant! utterly ridiculous The first time Goku transforms, he's trying to stall Buu. He goes through all three Super forms in order, and even shows off different ways to transform. After that he's transforming to fight so he's not going to waste time.
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SSJ 2 has always been an incredible boring concept and to this day I am convinced it started out as nothing more than Gohan's rage bonus in SSJ form. It is barely visually distinct from the normal SSJ and nobody comments on it in any way until the new arc started and Vegata was able to pull it off. Also, I also thought that the 'SSJ as base form' thing was what was able to reap all the benefits of the subforms without the drawbacks, i.e.being difficult to maintain. My personal theory on SSJ3 is that is was some kind of supernatural form of the transformation, something that only supernatural being, like ghosts or fusions can archive. I mean, Goku technically used it after he got back to life, but since he was revived with divine life energy, I think the theory still holds.
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sharktamer posted:that poo poo so 90s That's just the new Gran Tier Rajang armor for Monster Hunter 5.
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