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moist turtleneck posted:They also spray painted WOLVES everywhere, but that could have been after a basketball game before zombies though How could two people destroy an entire town? You guys have really flown off the rails.
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I can't figure out what they're trying to do with the Wolves. They've been built up all season as this looming threat with resources and numbers and a mean streak that makes the Governor look like Beth but then two of them who presumably had a reason to be so cocky as to get close to Morgan with no ammo get clowned pretty hard by a bo-staff battlemonk without the latter breaking a sweat. So they got Worfed to show how cool Morgan is but it just seems like a weird time considering they haven't been a threat to the main group yet. Then they try and turn it around having Daryl and Aaron fall for a trap but Morgan beats their trap again so I can't figure it out. It's already a silly idea to have the traps everywhere. Considering how much time and effort they must take to set up, are they really getting people that often? And what's the point? You could just shoot strangers if you wanted everyone's stuff. You could even drag out their deaths if you wanted them to suffer. But in a world where random people are still dying to zombies just walking around, is it really worth the effort to set up and maintain these elaborate traps? How many people can you realistically be getting? Not to mention how many people or resources you must have to be able to carve Ws into everyone's forehead safely while our main cast is almost getting ganked every time they run into even a couple zombies. Even Warlord Rick almost died to three just now. No way he could have held all three down and carved letters into them while keeping them alive without like five guys holding down each one.
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Mar 31, 2015 21:55
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xxEightxx posted:How could two people destroy an entire town? You guys have really flown off the rails. has anyone thought...that there could be more than the TWO of them????
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Mar 31, 2015 21:58
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xxEightxx posted:How could two people destroy an entire town? You guys have really flown off the rails. Carol did it... alone... WITH A SINGLE BOTTLE ROCKET!
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Mar 31, 2015 22:31
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Johnny Truant posted:Carol did it... alone... WITH A SINGLE BOTTLE ROCKET!
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Mar 31, 2015 22:54
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Advice posted:It's already a silly idea to have the traps everywhere. Considering how much time and effort they must take to set up, are they really getting people that often? And what's the point? The point was to have Daryl do that killer combo with the chain, it was directed by Nicotero after all 
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Mar 31, 2015 22:55
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I bet the food depot is a base of operations and not just an elaborate zombie trap. Anybody comes snooping around while the wolves are away and they are either turned into more zombies or trapped in the car. The two guys Morgan bashed tried to capture/kill him. They did capture red poncho, and then executed him once they got back to the depot. Maybe the wolves go out scavenging, and then bring back their spoils to places like the depot. I know this show is stupid, but maybe we got a teaser for the wolves in the finale, they weren't revealed in full, and we will learn that they are more than two guys with rave zombies next season?
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Mar 31, 2015 22:58
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Well that sure as hell isn't going to stop us from arguing about it
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Mar 31, 2015 22:59
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Johnny Truant posted:Carol did it... alone... WITH A SINGLE BOTTLE ROCKET! It was a casserole dish you noob!
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Mar 31, 2015 23:01
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I have been thinking about the black Highlander stuff, and I think it has merit. I think the show runners know how racist the general audience and fandom in particular can be, so they don't want to many black men on the show. It sucks, but it's their world. That's not what bothers me about TWD. What really irks me, is how pacified and neutered every black male character on the show is. Their has never been a black alpha male on TWD. We have sniveling cowards, alcoholics, and large muscular black men who would rather play with babies, and cry when ruthless cannibals who would slit his throat if they got the chance, get their just desserts. Now at the end of season five we have whimpering coward preacher, and a martial artist/ Buddhist monk who is already preaching non violence, and spares the life of two men who will no doubt go on to rape rob and pillage who ever else is unlucky enough to cross their path. Does anyone have any doubt how this will play out? Gabriel will repent and owe some kind of silly life debt to Rick, and Morgan will be "tragically" killed after showing mercy to a murderous Wolf. Why does it always have to be so extreme with black characters. They are either useless in a fight, or if they can fight become pacifist who refuse to actually fight anyone. It's really racist and insulting, and surprised more people have not commented on it.
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Mar 31, 2015 23:07
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Lycus posted:One Carol is equal to, like, twenty men, though. A rough simulation of Carol deciding to take Alexandria: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdDy05ug3VM In all seriousness she could probably hold a big cyanide bake-off of her famous home cooking and single handedly wipe out most of the town if she wanted. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Mar 31, 2015 |
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Mar 31, 2015 23:09
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Pops Ghostly posted:I have been thinking about the black Highlander stuff, and I think it has merit. I think the show runners know how racist the general audience and fandom in particular can be, so they don't want to many black men on the show. It sucks, but it's their world. That's not what bothers me about TWD. What really irks me, is how pacified and neutered every black male character on the show is. Their has never been a black alpha male on TWD. We have sniveling cowards, alcoholics, and large muscular black men who would rather play with babies, and cry when ruthless cannibals who would slit his throat if they got the chance, get their just desserts. Now at the end of season five we have whimpering coward preacher, and a martial artist/ Buddhist monk who is already preaching non violence, and spares the life of two men who will no doubt go on to rape rob and pillage who ever else is unlucky enough to cross their path. Does anyone have any doubt how this will play out? Gabriel will repent and owe some kind of silly life debt to Rick, and Morgan will be "tragically" killed after showing mercy to a murderous Wolf. Why does it always have to be so extreme with black characters. They are either useless in a fight, or if they can fight become pacifist who refuse to actually fight anyone. It's really racist and insulting, and surprised more people have not commented on it. um, T Dog
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Mar 31, 2015 23:13
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Fitzy Fitz posted:um, T Dog He was weak. Was bullied by Merle a guy half his size, and apologized for leaving him behind after he almost got them killed. He than sacrificed his life a white woman who he barely interacted with prior, and who never would have slept with him. Their has been a black virile sexual alpha male on this show.
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Mar 31, 2015 23:17
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Can we talk about the real racism of there only being one Asian person?
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Mar 31, 2015 23:20
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Can we talk about the real racism of there only being one Asian person? No.
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Mar 31, 2015 23:21
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Pops Ghostly posted:I have been thinking about the black Highlander stuff, and I think it has merit. I think the show runners know how racist the general audience and fandom in particular can be, so they don't want to many black men on the show. It sucks, but it's their world. That's not what bothers me about TWD. What really irks me, is how pacified and neutered every black male character on the show is. Their has never been a black alpha male on TWD. We have sniveling cowards, alcoholics, and large muscular black men who would rather play with babies, and cry when ruthless cannibals who would slit his throat if they got the chance, get their just desserts. Now at the end of season five we have whimpering coward preacher, and a martial artist/ Buddhist monk who is already preaching non violence, and spares the life of two men who will no doubt go on to rape rob and pillage who ever else is unlucky enough to cross their path. Does anyone have any doubt how this will play out? Gabriel will repent and owe some kind of silly life debt to Rick, and Morgan will be "tragically" killed after showing mercy to a murderous Wolf. Why does it always have to be so extreme with black characters. They are either useless in a fight, or if they can fight become pacifist who refuse to actually fight anyone. It's really racist and insulting, and surprised more people have not commented on it. I honestly don't think it's.. racism in that sense, at all. What I would bet money on is market focus grouping. I mentioned it earlier in the thread, before the last episode, but basically I think they want each person clearly being definable with like 5 words of dialogue; hence the reason white blond women have the second highest death toll in the whole series. Think about old World War 2 cliche movies. You had guys like "Tex" from Texas; that immediately defined his character as "The Texan." Or a guy named Boston from, well, Boston. And on it goes; if the names didn't match it was something stereotypical. Character shorthand. Thus they need to keep the cast diverse so dumb fucks who don't really watch a show or want to know names and casual viewers who catch 1 in 3 episodes can ID them, and that they can be ID'ed in marketing materials. Also why I think there's no female Black Highlander rule yet; Michonne is thought of as the "sword person" and not "the black lady." This is also why they're pretty horrified of the idea of ever letting her lose her sword, or say, Daryl's crossbow. That is the character shorthand, race never even figures in from the marketing crew. Hell, Glenn's probably had double plot armor as being the only Asian on the whole show. I suspect if he ever bites it, they'll probably introduce a new one. And yes, this is still racism at it's core (defining people by an ethnic group as a character shorthand is a pretty bad example of it anyway) but it's ... not exactly probably even crossing the mind of the suits that make these carefully planned marketing/casting decisions that honestly probably attribute "black guy" next to "smart guy" and "handlebar mustache guy." One thing of note, though: If Morgan, master of traps, has now dual-classed as a staff monk, that's so drat iconic he might join Michonne in advancing past "black guy" and into "cool kung fu guy" in the eyes of corporate. We can only hope.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Can we talk about the real racism of there only being one Asian person? True. But that Asian male is sexual, virile, alpha, and has a loving attractive partner. He is light-years ahead of any black male character on this show, and most white one's.
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And to the point of complaining, I don't know where some forum users get the idea that by liking the show or thinking it has little to no flaws they are somehow more entitled to this thread space than the people willing to call the show out when it could stand to improve. A lot of the things we complain about are just lazy, stupid decisions. Gabriel leaving the gate open was dumb but he's a dumb character so it's okay. The guard literally not taking the two seconds it would take to close the gate and ensure the safety of his entire town is dumb, and even if he trusted Gabriel, the fact is closing the gate takes two seconds and there's no way he made it far enough away from the gate in two seconds to not notice it didn't make the locking sound or look behind him. Apparently he ran towards the meeting with his eyes shut and fingers in his ears humming loudly for the sake of the plot. The problem with this is that anybody in this thread could have written a better reason for the gate to be left open. The way they did it is just lazy stupid writing that a five year old could poke holes in. Why? Why write it that way? And did it really make it past everyone involved in the show? Nobody stopped and said, "Hey, should we do this scene a different way?". There are just better ways to create drama and tension and other shows, even when they aren't "perfect" as the Yay-sayers like to say, rarely use such boring, lazy crap so consistently. That being said, without the detractors the thread would literally be "HOOOLY poo poo" liveposting and people agreeing with each other about how amazing the show is and nothing else. To me, that's a much more boring thread and I wouldn't even read it. It takes all kinds to make an interesting thread, and we're all going to have to learn to live with each other.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Can we talk about the real racism of there only being one Asian person? Glen is American you racist.
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It would never happen, but I'd love to see the Wolves be complex enough characters to spare Rick and Co at a pivotal moment leading to the former's downfall due to realizing Morgan, who spared them, is with him. Maybe they just hesitate for a moment allowing Rick to get the upper hand. But alas, I'm sure they will be moustachiod megaHitlers who get sexually aroused by violence and mayhem.
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Pops Ghostly posted:True. But that Asian male is sexual, virile, alpha, and has a loving attractive partner. He is light-years ahead of any black male character on this show, and most white one's. Which is slightly interesting if you know how Hollywood treats asian actors.
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They did a pretty good job with the gay character though.
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nopants posted:I bet the food depot is a base of operations and not just an elaborate zombie trap. Anybody comes snooping around while the wolves are away and they are either turned into more zombies or trapped in the car. The two guys Morgan bashed tried to capture/kill him. They did capture red poncho, and then executed him once they got back to the depot. Maybe the wolves go out scavenging, and then bring back their spoils to places like the depot. I know this show is stupid, but maybe we got a teaser for the wolves in the finale, they weren't revealed in full, and we will learn that they are more than two guys with rave zombies next season? Not a bad idea. It follows along my noticing the escalation of using walkers. As people survive longer they are finding more ways to use them. Carol used some scraps of them to hide her scent. Michonne used a couple as pets on chains to sort of hide herself. Zombies have also been used to attack people. But this was, as far as I can remember, the largest scale of using walkers for a specific purpose.
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Svanja posted:Absolutely wonderful finale. In a vast ocean of poo poo, it was fabulous. The immediate and mechanical way Rick turned and shot Pete was loving awesome. (Or did he shoot Janeway's husband to stop him from turning?) 
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Apr 1, 2015 00:04
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Flashbacks to the Breaking Bad thread after the Season 3 finale.
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Sylink posted:Morgan's actor must be the most patient man on Earth. No, he's very busy and could probably give a poo poo less about when he's on TWD.
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Lycus posted:Flashbacks to the Breaking Bad thread after the Season 3 finale. THE TEAKETTLE STOPPED MAKING SOUND MAN I had a friend who wouldn't shut up about how it was expertly shot and was a genius directing move and how it was totally ambiguous.
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Apr 1, 2015 00:18
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Why is Morgan such a popular character here? He was in like 1 episode in the first season and one where he was batshit crazy.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Why is Morgan such a popular character here? He was in like 1 episode in the first season and one where he was batshit crazy.
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Lycus posted:People like the actor from other work; his two episodes were considered by many to be the best two episodes of the series. Yup. Those were some drat good episodes.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Why is Morgan such a popular character here? He was in like 1 episode in the first season and one where he was batshit crazy. He's kind of got a Book of Eli thing going on at the moment.
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boom boom boom posted:It wasn't about Sweater Guy, it was about the dynamics of the situation. The dumb, naive town finally sees juat a little bit of horror and Lady Mayor immediately falls in line with Rick's thinking. Meanwhile we get Morgan as an actual counterpoint to Rick. He's been outside, he's seen the poo poo, but he's found a different way... Everybody Morgan was responsible for is already dead. He has no more responsibility to anyone but himself, so he can afford the luxury of leaving bad guys alive behind him. Everyone who isn't a monk with the +3 Staff has to live in the real world.
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GORDON posted:Everybody Morgan was responsible for is already dead. He has no more responsibility to anyone but himself, so he can afford the luxury of leaving bad guys alive behind him. Everyone who isn't a monk with the +3 Staff has to live in the real world. I took it to be that Rick brought Morgan back from the brink and Morgan wanted to seek him out to thank him. It just occurred to me now that he could also be borrowing elements from Jesus which would be kind of awesome because Morgan dies really really soon in the comics but Jesus is still around.
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I got interrupted during the talk between Morgan and the Wolf at the start, what was the explanation for why they are going around killing people? Obviously they are scavenging supplies, but it is beyond that.
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Senor Tron posted:I got interrupted during the talk between Morgan and the Wolf at the start, what was the explanation for why they are going around killing people? Obviously they are scavenging supplies, but it is beyond that. They're crazy. That's about the gist of it
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Senor Tron posted:I got interrupted during the talk between Morgan and the Wolf at the start, what was the explanation for why they are going around killing people? Obviously they are scavenging supplies, but it is beyond that. They think themselves 'predators' amongst a world of sheep wishing everything would go back to normal. The interesting thing is that it was implied that there's a woman in their group - kind of interested to see her.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Hell, Glenn's probably had double plot armor as being the only Asian on the whole show. I suspect if he ever bites it, they'll probably introduce a new one. And yes, this is still racism at it's core (defining people by an ethnic group as a character shorthand is a pretty bad example of it anyway) but it's ... not exactly probably even crossing the mind of the suits that make these carefully planned marketing/casting decisions that honestly probably attribute "black guy" next to "smart guy" and "handlebar mustache guy." So what you're saying is that TWD is basically the Magic Schoolbus with a rotating cast.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Why is Morgan such a popular character here? He was in like 1 episode in the first season and one where he was batshit crazy. I never really cared much for Morgan, just glad to see an end to the quest for Rick. Its interesting how he unfucked himself from being a hermit in whatever town that was to becoming Bojutsu Monk.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Why is Morgan such a popular character here? He was in like 1 episode in the first season and one where he was batshit crazy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbCT4Cx7PeY Imagine if the dialogue could be this convincing from every actor in every episode
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Morgan is played by a good actor. Yeah, he's over the top dramatic, but that's the tone of the show and he does it better than anyone else on there. And yes, there are no remotely threatening black men on the show because middle America is still really loving afraid of black men in general so they all have to be harmless to be palatable. This is basic American media 101 stuff and not isolated to this show. It's cool that Glenn is such a cool, popular character though. Off the top of my head I don't really know of any other Asian American characters on tv for comparison, but I guess that's probably part of the problem. Pharmaskittle fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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