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Dingleberry
Aug 21, 2011

Love how the dude who did the panicked dismount prolly ended up worse off than if he'd stayed aboard as he was then fully exposed to the blast from the impact. Whoops.

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Madurai
Jun 26, 2012

Dingleberry posted:

Love how the dude who did the panicked dismount prolly ended up worse off than if he'd stayed aboard as he was then fully exposed to the blast from the impact. Whoops.

Looks like he picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Madurai posted:

Looks like he picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines.

But the right week to start taking SloMo. :catdrugs:

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009

semi related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYhKbBrRHHo

:stare:

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!



Pro click right here. Holy poo poo, amazed at the quality of this.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
Speaking of, new photo-gallery from the Atlantic:









http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2015/03/the-vietnam-war-part-i-early-years-and-escalation/389054/

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyfriipc61A
Two of the biggest and most pernicious myths about the Vietnam War is that the U.S. "didn't lose any battles" or, alternatively, could have won the war had some different set of decisions been made. Both are so, so wrong.

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

Omi-Polari posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyfriipc61A

Two of the biggest and most pernicious myths about the Vietnam War is that the U.S. "didn't lose any battles" or, alternatively, could have won the war had some different set of decisions been made. Both are so, so wrong.

"We won all the tactical battles but lost the strategic war because of those goddamn commie symp hippie war protesters"

* Ignores the literally dozens of battles where the US got their asses soundly kicked, not the least of which would be the time in the twilight of the war where we got a whole bunch of B-52s shot down through sheer incompetence.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

iyaayas01 posted:

"We won all the tactical battles but lost the strategic war because of those goddamn commie symp hippie war protesters"

* Ignores the literally dozens of battles where the US got their asses soundly kicked, not the least of which would be the time in the twilight of the war where we got a whole bunch of B-52s shot down through sheer incompetence.
This is a fortuitous topic because last night I listened to this lecture by John Prados, who's a pretty cool historian (who also works with the National Security Archive that does a lot of FOIA deep diving). He pretty much debunks all the myths about "how the U.S. could have won the war," like invading North Vietnam.

Turns out there's lots of primary source material from the government at the time that studied that very question, and deemed it impossible. We literally could not have kept U.S. troops in North Vietnam supplied.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOjLrUsE6IU

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
It's even more fundamental than that...there was no way to win. It wasn't even a question of materiel or troop strength or even ROE. Our enemy was an entrenched ideology, and our very presence (along with some brutal coercion on the part of the communists) united factions that otherwise wouldn't have cooperated with each other. We were foreign invaders, fighting a war many of the locals didn't want us to fight, propping up a government many of them didn't want or support.

Why does this sound familiar?

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Godholio posted:

It's even more fundamental than that...there was no way to win. It wasn't even a question of materiel or troop strength or even ROE. Our enemy was an entrenched ideology, and our very presence (along with some brutal coercion on the part of the communists) united factions that otherwise wouldn't have cooperated with each other. We were foreign invaders, fighting a war many of the locals didn't want us to fight, propping up a government many of them didn't want or support.

Why does this sound familiar?

"I never understood why the Americans wanted to come to my homeland. I didn't grasp the details. I never could comprehend with the Americans come over here and attack us."

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Cracked interviewed a Viet Cong fighter recently. It's written stupidly, because its Cracked, but there is some really good stuff in there.

"Most of them were aware that Stalin and Mao each had movements named after them (Stalinism and Maoism), so they just assumed Socialism was named after a guy named Social and Communism was named after a guy named Commun. A distressing number of my co-soldiers still thought we were fighting France. They knew of Ho Chi Minh, but only in vague propagandistic terms, not the man's actual history. When we told them we wanted a Socialist society, they just said yes because they were mostly poor, grieving peasants living through a shortage of damns, and thus had none to spare for politics."


"The first time was right after a firefight, and we were shocked to see how blackened the bodies were. We thought they must have been charred by an explosion until we realized their skin was naturally black. None of us had seen a black person before. Some people thought they were myths."

http://www.cracked.com/article_22206_8-facts-about-vietnam-war-i-learned-as-viet-cong_p2.html

tyler
Jun 2, 2014

Scratch Monkey posted:

Bet you guys are 2LTs

Far from it. E-4 mafia.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Nostalgia4Murder posted:

Far from it. E-4 mafia.

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011


William Calley on leave.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

bitcoin bastard posted:

William Calley on leave.

Admiral Bosch
Apr 19, 2007
Who is Admiral Aken Bosch, and what is that old scoundrel up to?

Jesus.

Madurai
Jun 26, 2012

Omi-Polari posted:

This is a fortuitous topic because last night I listened to this lecture by John Prados, who's a pretty cool historian (who also works with the National Security Archive that does a lot of FOIA deep diving). He pretty much debunks all the myths about "how the U.S. could have won the war," like invading North Vietnam.


I've read the RAND report on using tacnukes in Vietnam. They said essentially that it'd work, but wasn't worth the escalation risk with the Soviets.

Chiwie
Oct 21, 2010

DROP YOUR COAT AND GRAB YOUR TOES, I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THE WILD GOOSE GOES!!!!

Madurai posted:

I've read the RAND report on using tacnukes in Vietnam. They said essentially that it'd work, but wasn't worth the escalation risk with the Soviets.

Bathing the problem in nuclear fire is always going to work.

Chiwie
Oct 21, 2010

DROP YOUR COAT AND GRAB YOUR TOES, I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THE WILD GOOSE GOES!!!!

Madurai posted:

I've read the RAND report on using tacnukes in Vietnam. They said essentially that it'd work, but wasn't worth the escalation risk with the Soviets.

Bathing the problem in nuclear fire is always going to work.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Madurai posted:

I've read the RAND report on using tacnukes in Vietnam. They said essentially that it'd work, but wasn't worth the escalation risk with the Soviets.
Also goes back to Aliens: Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!


A member of Syria's female Republican Guard battalion.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005




it's an april fool's joke

Madurai
Jun 26, 2012

EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:




it's an april fool's joke

I WANT TO BELIEVE

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
Keep dreaming. The A-10 suffers from a lack of thrust. That's putting it kindly.

Madurai
Jun 26, 2012

holocaust bloopers posted:

Keep dreaming. The A-10 suffers from a lack of thrust. That's putting it kindly.

It has the exact same powerplant as the S-3 Viking, which seemed to do okay.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

If you thought air support took forever before....

CMD598
Apr 12, 2013

Madurai posted:

It has the exact same powerplant as the S-3 Viking, which seemed to do okay.

The S-3 also has almost literally a thousand times better range and likely built to literally crash on daily basis (a carrier landing).

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


AV-8B Harrier doing an emergency landing without the front gear lowering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIhefke0Q9Y

brains
May 12, 2004

f-22 engine vectored thrust demonstration:

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!

brains posted:

f-22 engine vectored thrust demonstration:


As if someone removed Mecha Godzilla's mouth.

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

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EBB
Feb 15, 2005


Jet fuel can't melt rigid airships.

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

holocaust bloopers posted:

Keep dreaming. The A-10 suffers from a lack of thrust. That's putting it kindly.

Also lol if you think anyone outside of the USAF is going to spend the money to keep the A-10.

They'll bitch all day that we're cutting it but god help you if you suggest that maybe they should pony up some money of their own if they want us to keep it in service forever so badly.


That isn't even the best artist rendering of the proposed Sea Apache...the next version is pretty reasonable, if a little odd looking:



Basically an Apache optimized for service at sea (wider gear, radar instead of TADS, extended sponsons for fuel/electronics, refueling probe, and no cannon.) The third version though:



Because why wouldn't you want a helicopter to have the same radar as Hornet, that makes complete sense :wtc:

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!
:psyduck:

If it doesn't have a gun, is it really even... a gunship anymore?

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009
who loving thought it was a good idea to call it the sea apache, yea lets name this naval attack chopper after an aboriginal american tribe that didnt live anywhere near the loving ocean, instead of going with a radical as gently caress snake name like water moccasin or jormugand or something like all the other naval attack choppers?

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

who loving thought it was a good idea to call it the sea apache, yea lets name this naval attack chopper after an aboriginal american tribe that didnt live anywhere near the loving ocean, instead of going with a radical as gently caress snake name like water moccasin or jormugand or something like all the other naval attack choppers?

The US has never had any rad naval attack chopper names. Sea Cobra/SuperCobra and Seahawk are about the sum total.

Like the second picture says there was talk of naming it Gray Thunder which is at least nautical related even if still pretty dumb (although arguably makes for a nice movie reference)

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009

iyaayas01 posted:

The US has never had any rad naval attack chopper names. Sea Cobra/SuperCobra and Seahawk are about the sum total.

Like the second picture says there was talk of naming it Gray Thunder which is at least nautical related even if still pretty dumb (although arguably makes for a nice movie reference)

uh what about the ah1z viper?

either way a snake is cooler than a group of brown people that got their asses handed to em by blankets and booze

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

iyaayas01 posted:

The US has never had any rad naval attack chopper names. Sea Cobra/SuperCobra and Seahawk are about the sum total.
KnightHawk! (oh poo poo I think the pylons fell off again)

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iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

uh what about the ah1z viper?

either way a snake is cooler than a group of brown people that got their asses handed to em by blankets and booze

I don't count dumb Marine renamings (same applies for the Venom). If you're gonna use the same designation system to keep up the fiction that you aren't buying new aircraft, then you have to keep the same name.

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