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# ? Apr 1, 2015 08:37

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Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Freudian Slip posted:

If you earn less than $37,000 you are paying less tax

If you earn between $37,000 and $80,000 (which includes most Australian workers) you are paying the same tax as currently

If you earn over $80,000 it's going to cost you more - but you will be still getting far more out of the tax shelter that is super than someone earning less than you.

To put it simply, they are changing the system so that it is equivalent to you paying your normal tax rate and the Government giving you 15 cents for every dollar you put into super - now matter how much you put in or earn. This is different from the current situation where you are penalised 15 cents per dollar if your earn under 16K and gifted 30 cents on the dollar if you earn over 180K.

Interesting, but anyone over $80K is worse off you say? That's still a lot of punters.

Freudian Slip posted:

True, but lets be honest, people earning 300K + have access to better rorts than Super

To be honest although it may seem obscene to you most people making that kind of coin don't just turn up. A lot of those "rorts" are poo poo you need to set up and maintain for that earning capacity.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 08:38

NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

Fruity Gordo posted:

Whoever leaked the emails is a sooky dickhead baby.

So SHY then?

# ? Apr 1, 2015 08:42

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

NTRabbit posted:

So SHY then?

To be honest I don't feel SHY is an asset to your team.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 08:47

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

SHY Network.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 08:51

Freudian Slip: Mar 10, 2007; "I'm an archivist. I'm archiving."

Graic Gabtar posted:

Interesting, but anyone over $80K is worse off you say? That's still a lot of punters.

True - but I think it could be sold on fairness given the basic argument I made. Do you believe the current system is fairer?

Graic Gabtar posted:

To be honest although it may seem obscene to you most people making that kind of coin don't just turn up. A lot of those "rorts" are poo poo you need to set up and maintain for that earning capacity.

I know that but I still believe it's obscene that people earning that much can effectively dodge tax.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 08:53

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

Graic Gabtar posted:

To be honest I don't feel SHY is an asset to your team.

A penetrating insight

# ? Apr 1, 2015 08:54

evilbastard: Mar 6, 2003; Hair Elf

Cartoon posted:

In the dying hope that somebody is still interested in Australian Politics itt.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/harper-review-calls-for-overhaul-of-australias/6363666

Now this is on top of a PC report that is backing significant change to IR laws and the Intergenerational report that is so full of outright lies that it manages to go beyond being mere partisan shilling. I know it is easy to get despondent but a whole host of hideous poo poo is about to attempt to slide under your radar and into legislation. Productivity.

It seems that someone was ready to go on the initial messaging on the Pharmacy Guild in the SMH today.

quote:

I was in my early 20s, my first year of full-time journalism, and had been assigned a task well above my pay grade: to uncover the 10 most powerful lobbyists in Australia.

The recently released Harper competition review has recommended sweeping changes to how Australian pharmacies operate.

My initial enquiries focused on Clubs Australia, which was waging war against poker machine reform; the Minerals Council of Australia, whose advertising campaign helped kill off Kevin Rudd's mining tax; and business lobbyist Heather Ridout.

At the end of each phone call, I would ask: is there anyone else I should look at?

When the first person said the Pharmacy Guild, I ignored them. How powerful could chemists be, I sniffed. Pretty small stuff, surely, compared to the miners and the gambling industry. To tell the truth, I'd never heard of the guild before.

But as more and more veterans of the Canberra lobbying scene mentioned it, I decided to take a look. What I found convinced me to name the Pharmacy Guild Australia's most powerful lobbyist.

"They've been one of the most influential lobby groups ever seen," Steve Hambleton, then president of the Australian Medical Association, said.

"There's always been a fear that if they ran a campaign they could bring a government down," said Chris Walton from the Pharmacy Coalition for Health Reform.

"They've managed to entrench this model of pharmacy that no one even questions," Jennifer Doggett, a health policy analyst at the Centre for Policy Development, also told me.

"Why aren't there pharmacists in supermarkets? Why aren't there home delivery pharmacists? People don't even ask these questions because of the restrictions the Pharmacy Guild has achieved."

I knew I was dealing with serious influence when the guild's then-president declined an interview. Everyone else had agreed.

"One of the secrets of effective lobbying is not to talk about it too much in public," said Greg Turnbull, the group's communications officer.

It's a lesson worth remembering when considering who is influential: it's often those making the least noise who really matter.

Now, the power of the Pharmacy Guild is going to be tested as it never has before.

In his final report on competition policy - the first of its kind in more than two decades - economist Ian Harper lays down a challenge to the government: to rip up the rules that make community pharmacy one of the most protected sectors in the economy. New entrants are now banned from opening a pharmacy within 1.5 kilometres of an existing business and must be owned by registered pharmacists. This has shielded community pharmacists from competition from the likes of Coles and Woolworths. Ripping up these rules should, in theory, bring prices down for consumers.

The government is considering the report's recommendations and has not indicated whether it accepts or rejects Harper's call to deregulate the pharmacy sector.

There's no doubt that the Pharmacy Guild will be privately lobbying Health Minister Sussan Ley and other ministers to kill off the idea before it's born.

The consequences of taking action won't need to be spelt out: a campaign, fronted by community pharmacists around the country, against the government (and any crossbench senators who support deregulation).These include pharmacists in marginal seats. Surveys show that pharmacists are highly trusted by the public - rating well above politicians and, for that matter, journalists.

As well as self interest, the pharmacy lobby has a set of potent arguments on its side. Most notably that deregulation would allow Coles and Woolworths to become more dominant than they already are.

"Do we really want medications and associated health advice to be doled out like discount bread and milk?" asks Nick Xenophon, the wily, populist independent senator from South Australia.

With Prime Minister Tony Abbott promising a "dull" budget, there has been concern the government has misplaced its reform cojones. Letting the free market rip through the pharmacy sector would prove that bravery - crazy bravery perhaps - still has a place in Australian politics.

I know two Pharmacists, and the Supermarket thing has been going on for years. Pharmacists were going to agree on the following conditions :
- If the supermarket is open, the Pharmacy is open
- If the Pharmacy is open, it will be staffed by a registered pharmacist, not a 17 year old who's been moved over from the Bakery counter.

The second point is where negotiations broke down. It would be good for the guild in general, as each supermarket would provide work for four guild members to cover the 18/7 opening hours. It wouldn't seriously impact chemists, as local chemists rank very high on the trustworthiness scale. But it threw the cost of this project through the ceiling and the supermarkets have walked away from the table. If

The 1.5km rule hasn't existed for a while - it went away in 2011 in favor of rules relating the number of pharmacies to the number of doctors and the size and location of shopping centres.

I do like that the best argument in favor of this came in the comments :

quote:

Coles and Woolies can open pharmacies up the back of their supermarkets, so long as they stop selling cigarettes from their front counters.

On the second front the Pharmacy guild is gearing up for a series of press releases on the Trans Pacific Partnership containing the evergreening rules for medications, where a company can change the formulation of a product and it resets the timer on when the drug can be made generic.

For example, Pfizer patented Viagra in 1996, and this will become Generic next year (It was going to already be generic, but it's been extended from 14 years to 20 years under earlier US Trade agreements). But if Pfizer reformulates Viagra into a Nasal spray, or a time release system by adding a new ingredient, even if that ingredient has no medical effect this means they get another 20 years of restricted sales. Since Pfizer was at one point making $2 billion / year just from Viagra, they really, really want evergreening.

This would, of course, drive costs on the Australian Pharmaceutical Benefits scheme through the roof. But it would utterly destroy the New Zealand system. Our friends across the Tasman has a more radical system where the Guild gets together and says "OK, we need a drug that does [effect]. This seems to be the best one out of Patent, so we'll produce it here in New Zealand for next to nothing, and sell it as the generic.". They are looking at their costs quadrupling if the TPP is passed.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:00

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Graic Gabtar posted:

Interesting, but anyone over $80K is worse off you say? That's still a lot of punters.
To be honest although it may seem obscene to you most people making that kind of coin don't just turn up. A lot of those "rorts" are poo poo you need to set up and maintain for that earning capacity.

Note really that many.

code:

Here�s a summary of the ATO�s data for 2010-11:

If your 2010-11 taxable income was�
then your income was larger than this proportion of taxpayers
$48 864	         50%
$72 948	         75%
$79 934	         80%
$89 331	         85%
$105 461	 90%
$140 479	 95%
$202 918	 98%
$281 858	 99%

From here

So rough guess at about 19% of Australians will pay more tax on their super. and 81% will pay the same or less. Given wages growth has been pretty flat since 2011 I suspect the stats would be similar now.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:08

Wizard Master: Mar 25, 2008

WTF??? Just saw a guy on the bus who looked EXACTLY like Adolf Hitler. April Fools. It was Hitler. He's alive

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:09

Thinking: Jan 22, 2009

thatfatkid posted:

You are stupid and dumb.

markgreyam posted:

I can't tell if this was serious.

Splode posted:

Holy poo poo this is painfully stupid even for you

kingcom posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47ow4_Cmk0

This is biting criticism from some of the most intellectual posters in the thread, but it's true. Ancient Egyptian theoretical mathematics was rudimentary compared to contemporaneous Babylonians. They didn't use complicated construction methods. They didn't use pulleys or the wheel, they just pulled big slabs of stone up mud slopes. Architecturally speaking they are just big pyramids made from stone and gypsum with a handful of tunnels inside. The surveying techniques used in creating them are impressive but really they are feats of human effort not human design, which explains the slavery misnomer.

They are awesome, massive constructions but they are not theoretically complicated by any means.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:09

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Freudian Slip posted:

True - but I think it could be sold on fairness given the basic argument I made. Do you believe the current system is fairer?

I'm torn. I know logically that the system is not as good as it could be but I also believe that the current system encourages people to put enough into super so they will never be dependant on future tax payers.

On a more basic level (and again another that people may find abhorrent) after you pay more in tax than many people earn for many years and you see so many lazy fucks living off the public teat you start to think - yeah, I've paid enough tax so you are happy to take advantage of it.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:11

Fruity Gordo: Aug 5, 2013; Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

hooman posted:

Note really that many.
code:
Here�s a summary of the ATO�s data for 2010-11:

If your 2010-11 taxable income was�
then your income was larger than this proportion of taxpayers
$48 864	         50%
$72 948	         75%
$79 934	         80%
$89 331	         85%
$105 461	 90%
$140 479	 95%
$202 918	 98%
$281 858	 99%
From here

So rough guess at about 19% of Australians will pay more tax on their super. and 81% will pay the same or less. Given wages growth has been pretty flat since 2011 I suspect the stats would be similar now.

And remember that that's taxable income, so add $18,000 to all of those incomes on the list for the full annual salary before tax.

Fruity Gordo fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Apr 1, 2015

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:12

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

I made a pyramid out of Lego as a kid. Then I made a sphere. Come at me Egyptians. Look upon my plastic bricks ye mighty and despair.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:14

Fruity Gordo: Aug 5, 2013; Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

Graic Gabtar posted:

I'm torn. I know logically that the system is not as good as it could be but I also believe that the current system encourages people to put enough into super so they will never be dependant on future tax payers.

On a more basic level (and again another that people may find abhorrent) after you pay more in tax than many people earn for many years and you see so many lazy fucks living off the public teat you start to think - yeah, I've paid enough tax so you are happy to take advantage of it.

Ciarg psychopathic post, I'm gonna get into a two page argument with him about this awful post stay tuned

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:14

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

cpaf posted:

This is biting criticism from some of the most intellectual posters in the thread, but it's true. Ancient Egyptian theoretical mathematics was rudimentary compared to contemporaneous Babylonians. They didn't use complicated construction methods. They didn't use pulleys or the wheel, they just pulled big slabs of stone up mud slopes. Architecturally speaking they are just big pyramids made from stone and gypsum with a handful of tunnels inside. The surveying techniques used in creating them are impressive but really they are feats of human effort not human design, which explains the slavery misnomer.

They are awesome, massive constructions but they are not theoretically complicated by any means.

You are stupid and dumb. This is speaking as a civil engineer with experience in bulk earthwork projects.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:16

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

Please provide evidence of all these so called lazy fucks. Because I'm pretty sure there was a review into welfare fraud that suggests you're talking out your arse.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:17

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Fruity Gordo posted:

And remember that that's taxable income, so add $18,000 to all of those incomes on the list for the full annual salary before tax.

I don't think so, it didn't read that way to me. ATO refers to Taxable income below 19k here: https://www.ato.gov.au/Rates/Individual-income-tax-rates/

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:17

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Fruity Gordo posted:

Ciarg psychopathic post, I'm gonna get into a two page argument with him about this awful post stay tuned

I'm just letting you know I only work in bullet points after a few dinner beers.

So you probably don't need the two pages.

Should I get my accountant on the line? He can probably answer questions about my financial affairs better then I.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:18

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Graic Gabtar posted:

I'm torn. I know logically that the system is not as good as it could be but I also believe that the current system encourages people to put enough into super so they will never be dependant on future tax payers.

We give away as much in super deductions (overwhelmingly to high-income earners) as we spend on the pension.

If we eliminated super deductions entirely we could easily handle the (approximately zero) high-income earners who would become dependent on the pension.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:20

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Endman posted:

Please provide evidence of all these so called lazy fucks. Because I'm pretty sure there was a review into welfare fraud that suggests you're talking out your arse.

You obviously have never met half of my relatives.

As the ironically named "Endman" feel free the pick your way through what comes out of my arse.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:21

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Doctor Spaceman posted:

We give away as much in super deductions (overwhelmingly to high-income earners) as we spend on the pension.

If we eliminated super deductions entirely we could easily handle the (approximately zero) high-income earners who would become dependent on the pension.

And I'd never be dependant on the pension under the current arrangements as well.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:24

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Graic Gabtar posted:

I'm just letting you know I only work in bullet points after a few dinner beers.

So you probably don't need the two pages.

Should I get my accountant on the line? He can probably answer questions about my financial affairs better then I.

Priceless.

Ciarg has beaten us all to the punch by pissing in his own mouth.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:25

Thinking: Jan 22, 2009

thatfatkid posted:

You are stupid and dumb. This is speaking as a civil engineer with experience in bulk earthwork projects.

Thanks for giving me a comprehensive explanation as to why a stone pyramid is as technologically sophisticated as the holes in the ground you have expertise in digging

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:26

Fruity Gordo: Aug 5, 2013; Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

hooman posted:

I don't think so, it didn't read that way to me. ATO refers to Taxable income below 19k here: https://www.ato.gov.au/Rates/Individual-income-tax-rates/

Oh word? I thought taxable income was earnings over the tax free threshold, never mind me then.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:27

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

I wish it was mills making that mistake so we could report him to the ato for an audit

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:28

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

cpaf posted:

Thanks for giving me a comprehensive explanation as to why a stone pyramid is as technologically sophisticated as the holes in the ground you have expertise in digging

You seem to have bulk earthworks confused with mining. Just stop you don't know what you are talking about.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:29

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

I agree that we should crack down on welfare cheats, turn the rich old fucks still drawing the full pension into nutritious gruel.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:30

EvilElmo: May 10, 2009

Fruity Gordo posted:

'Greens falling apart' = Sydney campaigners being pissy over Jenny and Jamie taking photos with Clover Moore at community events. What was hosed up was SHY saying 'vote 1 Alex' because she has more loyalty to her buddy than the party, but the Sydney campaign thing is meh. Whoever leaked the emails is a sooky dickhead baby.

That's how falling out starts.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:30

Thinking: Jan 22, 2009

thatfatkid posted:

You seem to have bulk earthworks confused with mining. Just stop you don't know what you are talking about.

Congratulations on being a civil engineer who doesn't understand the pyramid is a simple architectural concept then, I guess

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:33

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Gough Suppressant posted:

I agree that we should crack down on welfare cheats, turn the rich old fucks still drawing the full pension into nutritious gruel.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:33

kingcom: Jun 23, 2012

cpaf posted:

Thanks for giving me a comprehensive explanation as to why a stone pyramid is as technologically sophisticated as the holes in the ground you have expertise in digging

Pyramids go from the ground up not down . Pro tip for any monument builders out there.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:34

Thinking: Jan 22, 2009

Actually, bulk earthworks involves not digging into the ground, furthermore

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:36

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

Victorians get public holiday penalty rates this Sunday :toot:

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:41

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

quote:

The bodies of 55 greyhounds have been found dumped in bushland near Bundaberg.

A member of the public discovered the carcasses on Tuesday in the Wild Flower Reserve on Coonarr Beach Road in Coonarr.

They were in varying states of decomposition.

The police and RSPCA joint greyhound racing inquiry task force are now investigating.

RSPCA spokesman Michael Beatty said it was believed the dogs were killed before the Four Corners special on live-baiting in the greyhound racing industry was aired on February 16.

"Unfortunately as I think most people would be aware, there's always been a lot of wastage in the greyhound industry," he said.

"The indications are that these may just be young dogs that didn't have the speed, basically. But that's really all we know."

Bobby Etheridge from the Friends of the Hound greyhound rescue group said the dumping of unwanted dogs was sad but not surprising news.

"It's horrible, and really shocking to those who don't know about it, but it's everyday business in the greyhound world," she said.

"We have been trying to tell people this for years, but it falls on deaf ears every time because there's too much money involved."

Autopsies will be carried out to determine the cause of death, and the dogs' ages.

Queensland Police Minister Jo-Ann Miller took to social media to say she was "absolutely sickened" by the news.

"Animal cruelty in Queensland won't be tolerated," she said.

Racing Queensland CEO Darren Condon described the discovery as "a despicable circumstance".

"We'll seek a formal report from the police," he said.

"We'll obviously work with police to assist in their investigations and take the appropriate response."

Mr Condon said he hadn't previously seen anything to indicate "a mass dumping of dogs".

Goddamnit QLD.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:46

Drugs: Jul 16, 2010; I don't like people who take drugs. Customs agents, for example - Albert Einstein

I post in 4 (four) threads on these entire forums and Craig is trying to ensconce himself as a regular in three of them.

Thank god for Auspol Crew

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:48

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Graic Gabtar posted:

And I'd never be dependant on the pension under the current arrangements as well.

Exactly, we're forgoing tens of billions of dollars of revenue to encourage people to do something they were already going to do.

A pretty similar argument applies for private school funding too.

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:49

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

Drugs posted:

I post in 4 (four) threads on these entire forums and Craig is trying to ensconce himself as a regular in three of them.

Thank god for Auspol Crew

What's the other????

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:49

Drugs: Jul 16, 2010; I don't like people who take drugs. Customs agents, for example - Albert Einstein

Gough Suppressant posted:

What's the other????

cricket

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:50

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starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Fruity Gordo posted:

26 women murdered in 12 weeks

http://www.womensagenda.com.au/talk...43#.VRudSsQaySM

This is disgusting.

Men are obviously the problem, I wonder if they kill their partners as much in gay male relationships?

starkebn fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Apr 1, 2015

# ? Apr 1, 2015 09:53

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