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QueenOfMistakes posted:Coincidentally, I had two Mormons knock on my door tonight to try to tell me about Jesus. I've never seen one before in the UK. One was from Texas, the other was from Germany. I didn't know you could get German Mormons. Oddly enough, despite essentially being an American religion, the oldest surviving Mormon church is in the U.K..
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That's mostly because of the chaos following Smith's death and the immigration of mainstream Mormonish to Utah. So you have a gap of several decades where most existing American Mormon communities are abandoned.
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corn in the bible posted:Ask them when they started letting African-Americans join the Mormon faith and watch them squirm I was not aware of that. I could have sworn I've met African-American missionaries. I'm pretty sure I've met Hispanic and Asian missionaries. I guess I'll have to ask the next pair just how racist is the Mormon faith.
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Mar 31, 2015 21:32
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Their are african american missionaries now. It's just that black people weren't allowed to be priests until 1978.
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That's a bit of a misnomer though, since every adult male member of the Mormon church is expected to go through the rites to become a priest. It would be like the Catholic Church saying black people could be Catholics but couldn't take communion. It's an essential part of the religion and without it blacks were regarded as second class citizens in the church.
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That makes it significantly worse than I originally thought, and I already thought it was bad.
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I was raised Mormon and "fell away" after I got married. My parents are in the habit of sending the local elders after me whenever we move, which is kind of creepy. One time (oddly, the last time) I asked the two women missionaries and their older lady "chaperone" why women didn't hold any position of authority in the church, more or less because I was feeling catty at that point. The missionaries fell dead silent while the other woman proceeded to go into a half hour spiel how it's the woman's duty to stay at home and support the priesthood behind the scenes, pop out the occasional kid, much like the way they did oh only two centuries ago. Ask me about religious indoctrination.
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kinmik posted:I was raised Mormon and "fell away" after I got married. My parents are in the habit of sending the local elders after me whenever we move, which is kind of creepy. Tell me everything. What's the weirdest thing you've experienced growing up mormon? Were you allowed to have non mormon friends? Are mormons similar to jehovahs witnesses with the no presents or christmas gifts, or did your family give each other gifts? Were you allowed to even date boys?
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Wedemeyer posted:Tell me everything. What's the weirdest thing you've experienced growing up mormon? Were you allowed to have non mormon friends? Are mormons similar to jehovahs witnesses with the no presents or christmas gifts, or did your family give each other gifts? Were you allowed to even date boys? Honestly the Church proper does everything it can to distance itself from backwards bullshit, but it doesn't discourage it in any sort of of sense. This is why you run into nice Mormons and batshit-might-as-well-be-JW's Mormons. Also raised Mormon and burnt out being home-schooled by said BYU grad's in lieu of actual public education. They did Christmas and presents a lot but dating and anything having to do with outside interactions like a public school was a nono. Ask Me about how my parents were the unholy combo between silicon valley randians and fundamentalist mormons.
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Grognan posted:Ask Me about how my parents were the unholy combo between silicon valley randians and fundamentalist mormons.  Go on....
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 Aren't Mormons meant to donate to charity regularly?
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Mind Loving Owl posted:
No, they're required to donate 10% of everything they earn to the church. Might be what you're thinking of.
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Wedemeyer posted:Tell me everything. What's the weirdest thing you've experienced growing up mormon? Wedemeyer posted:Are mormons similar to jehovahs witnesses with the no presents or christmas gifts, or did your family give each other gifts? It depends entirely on the individuals though. My sister's ex was extremely against her even being curious about other religions. They would get into huge screaming matches whenever she read through the Koran or talked about Hinduism. Wedemeyer posted:Were you allowed to have non mormon friends? Were you allowed to even date boys? Most Mormon families discourage their children from dating until they're sixteen, and I started dating my husband at fifteen. My parents didn't like it, but they allowed it. It could be because I'm the youngest, but they were always very lax about what I did and didn't do. I wasn't one for parties and I've never done any kind of recreational drugs; I've always been alcohol intolerant. I'm grateful that they gave all three of us some measure of free will and that they weren't "uber Utah Mormon". They didn't disown me after I stopped going to church and they didn't murder me or my husband after they found out that we had been having premarital sex. Depending on where in the world you are, Mormons will vary greatly in their beliefs. Grognan or any others, I'm very interested in hearing what your experiences are/were. Ichabod Sexbeast posted:
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Konstantin posted:That's a bit of a misnomer though, since every adult male member of the Mormon church is expected to go through the rites to become a priest. It would be like the Catholic Church saying black people could be Catholics but couldn't take communion. It's an essential part of the religion and without it blacks were regarded as second class citizens in the church. But women of every race were already second-class citizens, and still are. So, yeah, it was silly for the LDS church to do outreach to convert black dudes while they were blocked from the Melchizidek priesthood, but since they were also doing outreach to convert ladies, I don't think they noticed the cognitive dissonance.
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I grew up in a family that the rest of the church 'lovingly'(with a very friendly smile to your face, but with a sort of catty, high school bathroom attitude behind closed doors) called 'jack Mormons', or 'salt and vinegar Mormons' meaning my parents and I still drank soda and coffee, my parents were known to swear and my mother was headstrong about womens issues in the church. It was fun being pressured to get into business and become "successful" as a kid by a bunch of adults who were trying their hardest to not insult my parents about being poor and not-ideal-mormons. I think the most bizarre thing about the church, before I left because I'm gay, was the very explicit allowance for polygamy in the afterlife thanks to how Temple Marriages(it's like a marriage, but extra-magical!  ) worked.
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ok I can't believe this thread is still alive as I haven't looked at it since 2011.
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My friends father wanted to block Christmas but his mother won out. According to him, it's not against the faith to drink pop, just a common misunderstanding.
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kinmik posted:There isn't any weird single incident that comes to mind, but one of the strangest aspects of the church, I believe, is the concept of "baptism for the dead". If you're familiar with the Mormon temples, you know that it's open to exclusively members only (except when one is newly built in which case there's an open house), which sounds vaguely cult-ish. An array of ceremonies take place there, from marriages to family sealing to the aforementioned baptisms. The basic gist of that is when someone who isn't part of the church dies, people pray hard and if they get a...feeling that the deceased wishes to become part of the church, from the afterlife, mind you, then another person is appointed a proxy for the deceased and gets baptized for them.
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Excelsiortothemax posted:My friends father wanted to block Christmas but his mother won out.
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ITT I learn why my Mormon friends were uncomfortable when in other Mormon communities.
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PresidentBeard posted:ITT I learn why my Mormon friends were uncomfortable when in other Mormon communities. Yup, going to edit a post in here about things later this evening. So basically because this was a situation that is pretty far out I'll start with the beginning and the attitudes and circumstances that bring this unholy union to fruition. Start with a technically brilliant woman who started her electrical engineering degree at BYU after embracing the church as a salve to being in a broken up family that disrupted her attempts to socially connect with any peers growing up (ping ponging between homes, single working parents, no siblings). She managed to make it eighteen years into a heavily hosed up relationship (her first) before really snapping and having to get away from it all. Enter stage right, a middle child from an old-school Mormon family that could and often did trace their linage back to the church's founding and the mayflower before that. Lots of bircher attitudes, hyper-controlling parenting, and physical and emotional abuse enter in at this stage (good old fashioned upbringing that was "totally normal" to beat the poo poo out of your kids). The older children either split off from the church largely or moved across the country. He does his mission to a north american country and goes to BYU. He and his older brother are the first people to make it to college in the family. BYU campus(the only place to get a proper worldly education that isn't ungodly), she's 18 and in her first year of college they meet in their electrical engineering class and hit it off. They marry shortly there after. Pretty sure this stage is where he got a whiff of Objectivism. Both of them being strong A = A types they then applied their new-found assurance of philosophy with a just-world mentality so thick it congealed together into a poo poo lasagna that'll have some dire consequences later. So with their degrees got and two children born they start working for IBM and Apple in the heyday starting around '88. This was a drat good time to be a qualified programmer/engineer in the bay area. There was a lot of potential in those days. A note here, something that I think he got from his father before him is that he could never be wrong. He would bully, gaslight, or otherwise emotionally destroy people he was above and controlled, "for their own good". We in the family were schooled in looking good to the outside world. We were always happy, our lawn was always greener, we were obviously just better than them(anyone outside the family). Obviously god blessed us, even the bad things were gifts from god. If you couldn't handle it, depressed, or needed help, that was just your lack of faith in the plan. This is getting a little ahead because while they still lived in the bay area they were still surrounded by actual people and the sub-urbs were just too crowded/expensive/scary-people-living-there. About '95ish they go way north to a town in the vicinity of Redding. Find a fixer-upper that was half finished with no neighbors for at least five miles. Good price on property and home, country life being a goal he had wanted. The fact that it allowed him to set up to live off the grid was also high on his list of priorities. You see, he thought Bill Clinton was going to take over and confiscate all the guns. Oh yeah, forgot to mention he listened to talk radio religiously. So this isolated house, plenty big for all the kids they wanted to have (ended up having more than seven, less than ten), enough land for arms caches, basement for the hidden food storage, solar water pump for the well and an almond orchard that wasn't cultivated anymore. Most importantly that isolation meant for a large portion of my childhood the only people I saw besides my family was the church once a week. So being very adamant republicans/conservatives like their parents, they figured the public school systems were a joke. Worse than a joke, those ghetto kids went there and someone had gotten stabbed. My mother, wanting to be the best that she could got me started reading at a very young age like she did when she was young. She did her research and put together a decent regimen that gave me a good start on math, yet a hideously bad look at history or any sort of writing skills. She had never developed those skills and noone else was around to help me learn. I would get bullets deposited into a peanut butter jar as a reward for getting high grades on tests. My back yard was a shooting range. I was a doomsday prepper before it was cool. So I guess you can call this house Galt's Gulch. This is where they thought they would watch the rest of the world collapse under the weight of giving a gently caress about those peoples that didn't live morally by the church's standards. Because that's why bad things happened to people, because they deserved it. As you could imagine, this wasn't the healthiest sort of environment to try and raise functioning kids. Pretty much me and all of my siblings had to get some major therapy to deal with the social isolation and anxiety attacks. Now, it was a close call and a lot of socialization to go from one of these kids to a semi-functioning adult that isn't afraid to talk to people. There, but for the grace of my first actual friend at the age of fourteen, I could have totally been one of the subjects in this thread. Other directions I could specifically lurch towards Mom, please come back from WOW. Why there are no tapes of Christmas anymore. The Great Censoring. Solitary Isolation. "Why money makes us special" Or just ask questions, I got a really good grounding of the basic theology in the church. Grognan fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Grognan posted:Mom, please come back from WOW Well, there's a reason this is the thread that created
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What are Mormon attitudes towards Native Americans, particularly as regards conversion/the priesthood? I thought I had read somewhere that Native Americans were seen as half-demon and intrinsically soiled.
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Everything Counts posted:What are Mormon attitudes towards Native Americans, particularly as regards conversion/the priesthood? I thought I had read somewhere that Native Americans were seen as half-demon and intrinsically soiled. What? I thought Mormons believed Native Americans were the lost tribes of Isreal.
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I may not have been reading a very reliable source, and in fact can't remember what it was. It sounds so batshit that it just might be true though, hence my curiosity. (Sure I could Google it but this is more interesting)
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Communist Zombie posted:What? I thought Mormons believed Native Americans were the lost tribes of Isreal. The mysterious white Indians that Joseph Smith found out about with his magic glasses were. Anyone who's not white is a different color because god hates them.
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Oh boy, you're in for a treat. First of all, all Native Americans are descendants of ancient Babylonian settlers that crossed the sea in submersibles steered by god on the waves or they are the descendants of Lehi, his sons and extended family that left Jerusalem because they were guided by god. They lit the interiors of these submarines with stones touched by god given to Jared to light the way. So Lehi had Nephi and Sam(good sons) and Lamen and Lemuel (bad sons). Nephi and Sam are guided by god, Lamen and Lemuel are the bad ones that whined about giving up their riches and nice cushy lives in Jerusalem. They build a boat and cross that sea like a boss with another couple fan fiction faith rip offs from the new testament. Lamen and company eventually are cursed with dark skin for doubting god and being bad guys. Nephi and sons get white skin because they are the good guys. There is a period of time where they flipflop sides because they have to draw a parallel with the American revolution. But everyone is wicked up to the coming of Christ at 33AD or whatever. Rocks fall, every dies and most of the cities are wiped off the map in a way that conveniently explains why there are no cities around, nor their ruins. Christ comes and everyone for a generation is awesome to eachother, proving the the best form of government is Christ leading everyone on earth. Then things go bad and genocidal wars happen that wipe out all the white people except for the title man of Mormon and his apprentice Moroni. Moroni buries the plates and guides Joseph Smith to them(as an angel) and helps him translate this clearly not at all made up plates that noone else can see. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUJtqTY8pv4 Edit: I'll update tomorrow evening with some more stuff. Grognan fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Something I've always wondered, is it true that Mormons believe that if they do everything right, they get to rule a planet after death? Because that sounds rad.
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Scathach posted:friend impersonates online boyfriend and two former classmates, then denies everything Everyone keep the Mormon stories coming, but I would love to see this plotline handled in a childrens' cartoon. I learned how to deal with sleeping in the dark, schoolyard bullies, disagreements with friends, and all sorts of gushy moral lessons from my 1990s 'toons but kids these days need updated life lessons about why it's wrong to impersonate or invent new people on the Internet.
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Now im imagining Destro conducting a plot to use the internet to steal people's identities and use that info to bankroll Cobra. Zartan is his primary method of doing so, pretending to be a woman to get their info via a dating website. One of the Joes gets sucked in and looses all of his money(that they were going to use to build a life together!) and so the Joes trace back the IP address, kick in the door and set fire to the place. Queue the PSA about keeping your identity safe and there you have it.
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DarkHorse posted:I have no idea if it's true, but I've heard something similar. Basically that it was a prohibition on brewed drinks, which depending on how you looked at it could include alcoholic drinks (brewed with yeast), caffeinated drinks (from brewing tea and coffee), or some even broader interpretation on drinks that include "drugs" like soda. It's because caffeine is considered a drug. That's why you often see LDS families drinking Sprite instead of Coke. Alcohol is restricted too of course, as are cigarettes. I dated a Mormon once. He had really weird ideas about things and also eventually turned into an anime freak. I have no idea why all the ones that try to dress like goths or whatever end up spending thousands on anime crap.
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Excelsiortothemax posted:My friends father wanted to block Christmas but his mother won out. It's not quite 'against the faith', but it's also not a common misunderstanding. Mormons have this stupid thing I got lectured on a lot called the Words of Wisdom that's supposed to be a sort of holy diet plan? It includes the 'no drugs or alcohol' thing, and then a ban on 'hot drinks', not brewed drinks. The logic changes from day to day and person to person, personally I've heard all of the following as to why it's in there and why caffeine isn't cool: - Hot drinks damage the lining of your stomach, so you want room temperature or cooler - It just applies to anything with tannic acid - It just applies to anything with caffeine - "Heavenly Father said so, that's why." - Soda is super bad for you anyway. So everyone just avoids soda, coffee and black tea for their own stupid reasons because the church said so, vaguely. "Ask Me How Postum* Tastes"  *toasted, cracked wheat beverage, treated like coffee
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bathroomrage posted:It's not quite 'against the faith', but it's also not a common misunderstanding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1-DoIye5cs
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Everything Counts posted:What are Mormon attitudes towards Native Americans, particularly as regards conversion/the priesthood? I thought I had read somewhere that Native Americans were seen as half-demon and intrinsically soiled. African Americans were treated the way they were in Mormonism because of how Native Americans appear in the Mormon texts. Darker skin equals more sin
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Mind Loving Owl posted:Something I've always wondered, is it true that Mormons believe that if they do everything right, they get to rule a planet after death? Because that sounds rad. And I've found a link. Holy poo poo that infographic at the top of the page; I swear I've seen it every other Sunday lesson as a teen.
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Yeah, when I was first watching 30 Rock that line reminded me of all that crazy poo poo and I just about died laughing. kinmik posted:Close, but not really. After death, there are three celestial spheres your spirit can inhabit. Celestial, terrestrial, and telestial. The celestial is the place everyone wants to go, as it's the one where the three Godheads reside. Don't forget Outer Darkness, AKA Mormon Hell.
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kinmik posted:Close, but not really. After death, there are three celestial spheres your spirit can inhabit. Celestial, terrestrial, and telestial. The celestial is the place everyone wants to go, as it's the one where the three Godheads reside. How bad is this "Spirit Prison" I'm likely to get stuck in for 1000 years? Is it like "don't drop the soap" or is it more boring than anything else? Also what does the last bit of this mean "liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie."? Like I thought it meant adultery, but that'd be redundant, so is it like "no lying if you love someone"? bathroomrage posted:Yeah, when I was first watching 30 Rock that line reminded me of all that crazy poo poo and I just about died laughing. I did not see solid information about how badly one has to gently caress up to get sent there, but I'm assuming whatever it is I've probably done it.
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Brightman posted:How bad is this "Spirit Prison" I'm likely to get stuck in for 1000 years? Is it like "don't drop the soap" or is it more boring than anything else? Also what does the last bit of this mean "liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie."? Like I thought it meant adultery, but that'd be redundant, so is it like "no lying if you love someone"? Brightman posted:I did not see solid information about how badly one has to gently caress up to get sent there, but I'm assuming whatever it is I've probably done it. I never got a solid answer when I asked back when I was a kid, the most I got was a vague "Well, Hitler if he doesn't accept Jesus' teachings in Spirit Prison..." From what I can tell the only way you get thrown into 'Outer Darkness' is telling Jesus to gently caress off.
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bathroomrage posted:I never got a solid answer when I asked back when I was a kid, the most I got was a vague "Well, Hitler if he doesn't accept Jesus' teachings in Spirit Prison..." From what I can tell the only way you get thrown into 'Outer Darkness' is telling Jesus to gently caress off. "Hey, dude, you wanna join my crew yet?" "Go away, Jesus." "Mmkay, I'll try again tomorrow. Outer Darkness will still be there."
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