Gantolandon posted:It's like satanism in Harry Potter - repeatedly seeing the main character waving a wand and spouting bad Latin makes you more susceptible to diabolic influence. When you buy an engagement ring, you follow a misogynistic ritual imprinting your brain with hatred towards women. Reactionary propaganda is everywhere and you need constant vigilance to prevent the sin from entering your thoughts. You can never be sure enough whether a seemingly fun activity isn't a gateway towards violence and membership in a neo-nazi party. You know that nobody's actually going to crucify you, in real life, and that your attempt at martyrdom just looks insane, right?
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I haven't really followed the engagement ring discussion because I have SedanChair on ignore because he's crazy.. Engagement rings are fine. Expecting the man to buy the engagement ring for the woman isn't. That's really obviously sexist. But it's also not a big deal and it's only a pretty mild kind of sexism. The idea has always seemed kinda silly to me because you're going to share finances after you're married anyway.
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Apr 2, 2015 16:58
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Why are you forcing patriarchal expectations on strange women at bars?  This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.
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Apr 2, 2015 17:08
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-Troika- posted:
Thanks for keeping us informed on the nauseating details of your inner life.
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Apr 2, 2015 17:08
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Apr 2, 2015 17:09
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Obdicut posted:The idea has always seemed kinda silly to me because you're going to share finances after you're married anyway. Not always - many married pairs keep their finances partially separate to avoid having to grovel for permission when they want to buy something their partner doesn't like. Effectronica posted:You know that nobody's actually going to crucify you, in real life, and that your attempt at martyrdom just looks insane, right? What kind of martyrdom posting on comedy forums might entail?
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Apr 2, 2015 17:12
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Gantolandon posted:What kind of martyrdom posting on comedy forums might entail? The burden of educating racists about the history of engagement rings.
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Apr 2, 2015 17:14
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Gantolandon posted:What kind of martyrdom posting on comedy forums might entail? This is barely English- are you crying right now? Making some educated guesswork, I believe you're asking why you'd martyr yourself on a "comedy forums". Well, that's what I'd like to know, because it's very strange behavior indeed, ranting about how much hatred falls upon white people and so on.
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Apr 2, 2015 17:15
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TheImmigrant posted:Homophobic, I know, not trying to pick up men equally. Yes, it is. And when we finally outlaw homophobia, it will be illegal for you to discriminate against male sexual partners, as it should be. And the best part? Even though you've figured it out and can see it coming, no one will believe you about the gay agenda until it's too late, Cassandra.
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Apr 2, 2015 17:18
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Effectronica posted:This is barely English- are you crying right now? Making some educated guesswork, I believe you're asking why you'd martyr yourself on a "comedy forums". Well, that's what I'd like to know, because it's very strange behavior indeed, ranting about how much hatred falls upon white people and so on. For a person so dedicated to social justice, you could probably cut a foreigner some slack for not speaking your dominant language perfectly. Some of us actually speak in less useful languages in our everyday lives and have to struggle to make an English sentence with proper grammar. Check your privilege.
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Apr 2, 2015 17:28
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Gantolandon posted:For a person so dedicated to social justice, you could probably cut a foreigner some slack for not speaking your dominant language perfectly. Some of us actually speak in less useful languages in our everyday lives and have to struggle to make an English sentence with proper grammar. Check your privilege. Why is it that just about everyone that likes to rant about liberalism and make grotesque accusations has a blatant glass jaw? Like, what, do you expect people to thank you for insulting them?
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Apr 2, 2015 17:30
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Look I'm all for social justice and stuff, but when it comes close to criticizing me or my actions it's just PC MADNESS TAKEN TOO FAR!
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Apr 2, 2015 17:34
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Obdicut posted:I haven't really followed the engagement ring discussion because I have SedanChair on ignore because he's crazy.. I'm more concerned about her being insulted if I don't buy one, than I am about its antiquated meaning.
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Apr 2, 2015 17:36
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Obdicut posted:It's not, though. If you think this is true, then compare it with another concept--like racism, privilege, etc--that have economic, legal, etc. effects, but are rooted in the cultural. Is culture the basis of everything that happens in your opinion? I'm not trying to strawman you, just trying to figure out what our disconnect is.
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Apr 2, 2015 17:50
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-Troika- posted:
 Obdicut posted:Engagement rings are fine. Engagement rings are fairly patriarchal but if your intended want's one regardless you're not really hurting anyone. Except the people living in the countries that conflict diamond probably came from. 
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Apr 2, 2015 18:05
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unlimited shrimp posted:I'm more concerned about her being insulted if I don't buy one, than I am about its antiquated meaning. It's not the antiquated meaning that matters. It's the current meaning. Zeitgueist posted:
Yeah, basically. dogcrash truther posted:Is culture the basis of everything that happens in your opinion? I'm not trying to strawman you, just trying to figure out what our disconnect is. Nope. I don't know what our disconnect is. In the case of black musicians not being allowed to play at certain venues, for example, that wasn't an economic cause. It was a cultural reason. It had an economic effect.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:09
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Effectronica posted:Why is it that just about everyone that likes to rant about liberalism and make grotesque accusations has a blatant glass jaw? Like, what, do you expect people to thank you for insulting them? Um, dude, my English sucks and I know it. I just find it funny that you spend a lot of time harping about American dominance and privilege, but criticizing a foreigner for writing a mangled sentence in your native language is still all right for you if you dislike them. It's like seeing a fire-and-brimstone Christian priest visiting a gay bar.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:15
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Gantolandon posted:Um, dude, my English sucks and I know it. I just find it funny that you spend a lot of time harping about American dominance and privilege, but criticizing a foreigner for writing a mangled sentence in your native language is still all right for you if you dislike them. It's like seeing a fire-and-brimstone Christian priest visiting a gay bar. You see nothing wrong with writing snide posts about how everyone on the wrong side of the issue is a tyrannical insane racist, but apparently there's something wrong with them punching back. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:19
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Effectronica posted:You see nothing wrong with writing snide posts about how everyone on the wrong side of the issue is a tyrannical insane racist, but apparently there's something wrong with them punching back. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Check your English privilege, Cletus.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:25
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TheImmigrant posted:Check your English privilege, Cletus. Go back to your trip to Antarctica to rescue the penguins or whatever.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:27
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Effectronica posted:Go back to your trip to Antarctica to rescue the penguins or whatever. Cletus, I'm sorry you took it the wrong way when I urinated in your anus, but you need to lighten up.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:29
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TheImmigrant posted:Cletus, I'm sorry you took it the wrong way when I urinated in your anus, but you need to lighten up. Remember the time you freaked out because I used a word you didn't know?
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Apr 2, 2015 18:30
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Obdicut posted:Nope. I don't know what our disconnect is. In the case of black musicians not being allowed to play at certain venues, for example, that wasn't an economic cause. It was a cultural reason. It had an economic effect. Well that's exactly the disconnect right there, because I think it was an economic cause that had cultural effects.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:30
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Zeitgueist posted:
Buy Botswanan. Botswanese?
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Apr 2, 2015 18:32
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dogcrash truther posted:Well that's exactly the disconnect right there, because I think it was an economic cause that had cultural effects. What was the economic cause?
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Apr 2, 2015 18:39
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Obdicut posted:I haven't really followed the engagement ring discussion because I have SedanChair on ignore because he's crazy.. Better to be insane than crushingly tedious and willfully ignorant. Nobody said that it was a "big" deal, only that it is in fact a deal. And it's the legacy of a big deal, which is women being treated as property. We should talk about all issues, big and small, that relate to that issue.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:41
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Buy Botswanan. Botswanese? Convince your intended to not care about diamonds specifically, get better sourced, cheaper(or not cheaper!) alternate gemstones. De Beers is a really bad organization, and that's on a scale that includes oil companies, agricultural concerns, Nestle, and Dow
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Apr 2, 2015 18:42
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I wouldn't likely be involved with anyone who insisted on a diamond. They seem really vulgar, like a mink coat.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:43
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Effectronica posted:You see nothing wrong with writing snide posts about how everyone on the wrong side of the issue is a tyrannical insane racist, but apparently there's something wrong with them punching back. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. You punched back by going against everything you espouse. The main reason your English skills are better is because you speak this language nearly since you were born and think in it, while I started to learn it in early high school. I will probably never speak or write in English as well as you. It's pretty much a definition of privilege and you chose to flaunt it just to score points in a forums discussion. Then you basically told me I'm too sensitive and it's my fault you're angry. This is pretty much the main difference between a social justice activist and an angry Tumblr kid. The former can actually see the logical consequences of their beliefs and adjust them before they get ridiculous. The latter doesn't even understand what they preach and tries to compensate it with confidence and righteous anger. If you're ever wondering which type you are, remember this thread - the place where you ranted against racist black smoke and attempted a sick burn by criticizing language skills of a foreigner.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:54
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Your English is wonderful, your ideas...
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Apr 2, 2015 18:56
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Gantolandon posted:You punched back by going against everything you espouse. The main reason your English skills are better is because you speak this language nearly since you were born and think in it, while I started to learn it in early high school. I will probably never speak or write in English as well as you. It's pretty much a definition of privilege and you chose to flaunt it just to score points in a forums discussion. Then you basically told me I'm too sensitive and it's my fault you're angry. Interesting, so you espouse calling people racists to win arguments.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:56
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Effectronica posted:Interesting, so you espouse calling people racists to win arguments. Calling someone out on their hypocrisy is not the same as espousing their views.
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Apr 2, 2015 19:26
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Gantolandon posted:Calling someone out on their hypocrisy is not the same as espousing their views. That is exactly what you did, earlier. Have you forgotten so early? Granted, you seem to have this imaginary person cooked up in your head that you've confused with me, so maybe you're not very well in the head.
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Apr 2, 2015 19:36
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Gantolandon posted:You punched back by going against everything you espouse. The main reason your English skills are better is because you speak this language nearly since you were born and think in it, while I started to learn it in early high school. I will probably never speak or write in English as well as you. It's pretty much a definition of privilege and you chose to flaunt it just to score points in a forums discussion. Then you basically told me I'm too sensitive and it's my fault you're angry. Haha holy poo poo loving destroyed
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Apr 2, 2015 19:39
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Obdicut posted:What was the economic cause? You're asking me what are the advantages of protectionism?
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Apr 3, 2015 00:11
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I mean really it's a bit like asserting that the reason they kept slaves in the South was because of their religious understanding of slavery and the economic effects were just a side-benefit.
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Apr 3, 2015 00:13
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dogcrash truther posted:You're asking me what are the advantages of protectionism? No, I'm asking what the economic cause was that meant that black performers weren't allowed to play in those clubs. You're now saying that protectionism was the answer, and stating this as though it's a really obvious conclusion. It's an okay hypothesis, but what makes you consider it just case closed, and that it was the sole cause? dogcrash truther posted:I mean really it's a bit like asserting that the reason they kept slaves in the South was because of their religious understanding of slavery and the economic effects were just a side-benefit. So you don't think racial prejudice was a major reason that black performers weren't allowed to play for white audiences, that it wasn't considered decent for white people to listen to black music but instead listened to white versions of black music? It was all just protectionism and the racial element was purely coincidental? I can completely agree that protectionism was an economic motivator, but you'd really have to contort yourself to claim the reason why black performers couldn't play for white audiences and white audiences wouldn't buy black music was because of protectionism. What prevented white people from just going to the black clubs where the players performed, or, more simply, buying their music? To use your analogy, it's a bit like asserting slavery didn't have anything to do with racism.
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Apr 3, 2015 00:34
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Gantolandon posted:What kind of martyrdom posting on comedy forums might entail? While this sentence might sound weird to a native English speaker it is perfectly grammatically correct. Effectronica is just a moron. http://grammar.about.com/od/fh/g/frontingterm.htm
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dogcrash truther posted:I mean really it's a bit like asserting that the reason they kept slaves in the South was because of their religious understanding of slavery and the economic effects were just a side-benefit. Many slave owners had convinced themselves of this, or at least publicly represented it to be their position.
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appropriation is bad. people are bad. well, that's my two cents, hope yall find the light. god bless
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