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PupsOfWar posted:that's not really what they do with MLK. It's more co-optive than that.
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DarkHorse posted:They're definitely very good about lauding his NONVIOLENT MLK, communist? Sorry, you must be thinking of someone else. He was just a nice man that gave a speech in Washington this one time. Nothing else.
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Could my former Army, GWB lovin' cousin be turning a corner here? The fact that he leads with "Ted Cruz lost me" seems to point to "no" but there's always hope! My friend trying to bait me into a conversation he doesn't want to have or won't argue in good faith. Different cousin chimes in with "the truth is in the middle" crap. I don't want to waste my time, and it's irritating. I think in little ways I might be getting through to him.  For  I could post the Atwater quote, but I don't think he'd get it.
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Apr 2, 2015 05:15
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Any time that I have posted the Atwater quote, the response I get is "that (along with the southern strategy) is liberal propaganda." I have even posted map links showcasing how the South flipped voting in Presidential elections in the late 1960s and it was still denied.
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Any time that I have posted the Atwater quote, the response I get is "that (along with the southern strategy) is liberal propaganda." Not that I expect this to help but here is audio of the man himself saying it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ
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hamster_style posted:
You'll also find what you're looking for if it's actually there.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:Carter is mostly a casualty of their Reagan-worship, since part of the Reagan myth requires him to be demonized. It's a shame, too, because Carter is genuinely one of the nicest people to ever sit in the White House.
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Carters' Christianity doesn't jive with America's Christianity. One of 'em had to go, and the "one" was Carter.
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Has anyone seen this idiot before? here Cause dear lord the sheer level of stupidly and obliviousness and folks are stupid enough to actual think he knows what he's talking about. 
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Apr 2, 2015 08:47
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Mister Bates posted:It's a shame, too, because Carter is genuinely one of the nicest people to ever sit in the White House. He committed the cardinal sin of telling America it wasn't perfect. TerminalSaint fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Apr 2, 2015 09:04
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TerminalSaint posted:He committed the cardinal sin of telling American it wasn't perfect. Nevermind telling Americans they can save money by cutting back on energy usage, maybe turning a light off once in a while. Just doesn't fit with the "consume, consume, consume" model.
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Shbobdb posted:Carter is easy to vilify because he was a one term President and stagflation. Other than his continuation of Bush-era policies, Obama is a lot tougher to vilify. But they can say Obamacare was originally a Republican idea. They also love his strong, hawkish foreign policy stance. They also love how he cracked down on whistleblowers. Plus, the love how conservative he is about immigration -- more deportations than any other president! They can't really start praising Obama's tough foreign policy, though, as they have crafted an electoral strategy that is entirely reliant on white america's pathological fear of Ditto the rest of obama's hard-nosed neoliberalism. Ditto obamacare. I might expect to see conservatives co-opting obama's legacy in a generation or so, in much the same way that neoconservative wonks now make sweet sloppy love to the ghost of Harold Truman, but for the forseeable future I think they have just gone too far. They hated the Clintons an awful lot and tried to villify them, sure, but it was "that Slick Willie sure is a crooked dude and that Hillary sure is a I don't think you can about-face on that within a couple of election cycles. The base is too riled-up against Obama and will crucify any Republican who praises him. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-5-stupidest-habits-you-develop-growing-up-poor/ This article was reposted by Cracked today and the comments are filled with your typical bootstraps "I'm poor and eat healthy, stop being lazy!" shenanigans, mostly be middle class white women whose Facebook pages are filled with nice vacation pictures. quote:take your rear end to the local grocery nook, grab a piece of lean chicken, an apple or two, some brown rice and in about 5 minutes, bam!! A healthy meal to eat.....and surprise!! No chef required! So hard!! quote:i could make a drat good salad for the same price as say a bag of chips and a thing of oreos. including meat, cheese, veggies. Wrap your lettuce in paper towels once you get it....lasts weeks instead of a week. She later goes on to say that her "drat good salad" is composed of ranch dressing, lettuce, red pepper, store-brand ham, and a $1.50 bag of shredded cheese. quote:Wrong..im broke as fk. Im fat cuz i choose to buy those things. Veggies/fruits are on sale constantly..some you can freeze. a thing of oreos is way more expensive then what i could do with some frozen chicken bought at good prices and veggies. Its called being inventive. And its still lazy, they dont want to MAKE something..they would rather microwave it. This is the same lady. quote:This article is so untrue. I was on foodstamps, for a short while, as an adult. I ate better than I ever have buying groceries on my own. The photo I posted is extremely accurate. Nevermind that the picture proves the article's first point since that fridge is filled with non-perishable garbage, but you can also say that middle class people can afford to eat out every night. quote:1 giant bag of kale for $1. 1 bag of carrots for $1. 1 bag of broccoli $1. Head of lettuce $1. 1 avocado $1. Two weeks worth of applea for $5. gently caress off with that "expensive" bullshit. Where is this magical place where kale is a dollar a bag? quote:I go to the grocery store once a week and it keeps just fine for that long. Is that all that's holding you back? It sure sounds like you don't want to eat healthy... "I can go to the grocery store once a week and make $5 worth of vegetables last me the entire time why can't you feed your family? And don't give me excuses like "I have to work two jobs" or 'I don't have a car or the money for gas to make weekly trips to the grocery store'." quote:Vegetables, and fruits people...dont have to be rich to eat healthy...people on welfare just want a FAST fix...open a bag, or put it in a microwave...and then cost taxpayers millions every year at a doctors office, !!! Oooh, vegetables and fruits! Of course, why didn't the poor think of that!? quote:That's bs I will believe people in the ghetto can't afford to eat healthier the moment I don't see them in line at footlocker every other week dropping $200 on a pair of Jays.... quote:I dont disagree with that statement..........................however you can prepare healthy food for an entire family for very short money. I'm not talking organic either. the reason there so fat is because they are loving LAZY......so stop making excuses. And so on.
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I lived in a racist manor for a little while, as a white person it was perfectly comfortable. quote:1 giant bag of kale for $1. 1 bag of carrots for $1. 1 bag of broccoli $1. Head of lettuce $1. 1 avocado $1. Two weeks worth of applea for $5. gently caress off with that "expensive" bullshit.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Nevermind telling Americans they can save money by cutting back on energy usage, maybe turning a light off once in a while. Just doesn't fit with the "consume, consume, consume" model. Remember the time Obama got villainized because he suggested that people check the air in their tires to see if they're properly inflated, because properly inflated tires gives your car better gas mileage? Forget spygate, PSI-gate is the biggest Obama tragedy of them all. edit: to be fair, how Obama used it was incorrect (he said it would decrease oil consumption 3-4%) but yeah inflated tires will improve MPG.
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Duke Igthorn posted:Putting aside that I have never seen an avocado stay good for more than three days let alone a week how are you supposed to keep up your energy on this poo poo? I'm no dietary expert but this is missing a few key vitamins and minerals. Not to mention loving FLAVOR. Where is that one quote about letting the poor have a single avenue of pleasure they can afford: rich foods? Yeah, taking an average serving for all of that together it doesn't even break 300 kcal a day. It does pretty much nothing to actually sustain you, which is doubly lovely if you're working long hours or several jobs and desperately need that energy. You'll definitely need something else to actually keep you going, meaning it's almost entirely supplementary in nature. Essentially you'd be spending 10$ a week on what is essentially as much of a "luxury" food as chocolate. Hell, chocolate is quite energy dense and has some actual flavour, so if you had to choose between one or the other it could arguably be the better choice.
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I think those people claiming the Clinton-bashing was tame have forgotten they did impeach him.
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Woah, that WOULD be pretty crazy if it happened to us. I really relate to the Palestinians now. I guess I agree with Ben Stein here, we should attack or disarm Israel or something.
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Well, the other options are a) do loving nothing, which won't change anything, and b) invade, which we've seen work so loving well over the last 15 years or so.
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Who precisely is he talking about, and is this a thing that even happened?
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Duke Igthorn posted:Putting aside that I have never seen an avocado stay good for more than three days let alone a week how are you supposed to keep up your energy on this poo poo? I'm no dietary expert but this is missing a few key vitamins and minerals. Not to mention loving FLAVOR. Where is that one quote about letting the poor have a single avenue of pleasure they can afford: rich foods? Would it not be better if they spent more money on wholesome things like oranges and wholemeal bread or if they even, like the writer of the letter to the New Statesman, saved on fuel and ate their carrots raw? Yes, it would, but the point is that no ordinary human being is ever going to do such a thing. The ordinary human being would sooner starve than live on brown bread and raw carrots. And the peculiar evil is this, that the less money you have, the less inclined you feel to spend it on wholesome food. A millionaire may enjoy breakfasting off orange juice and Ryvita biscuits; an unemployed man doesn't. Here the tendency of which I spoke at the end of the last chapter comes into play. When you are unemployed, which is to say when you are underfed, harassed, bored, and miserable, you don't want to eat dull wholesome food. You want something a little bit 'tasty'. There is always some cheaply pleasant thing to tempt you.
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VideoTapir posted:Who precisely is he talking about, and is this a thing that even happened? they even have Death To America Day oddly enough we suddenly notice how prevalent "Death to America" is as a popular Iranian phrase whenever it's convenient to mention it in the context of something Israel doesn't like! what are the odds i wonder i wonder what Iranians think about the War on (Islamic) Terror boner confessor fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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I've heard that "Death to" also occupies a similar space to "gently caress" in Iran. For example, if you are stuck in traffic on your monday morning commute in Tehran, you wouldn't say, "gently caress traffic!", you'd say, "Death to traffic!" It isn't actually saying that you want to kill something, in much the same way that I don't want to copulate with something.
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Mister Bates posted:It's a shame, too, because Carter is genuinely one of the nicest people to ever sit in the White House. The only two years of anything approaching peace the US has had since WWII were under Carter.
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Shbobdb posted:I've heard that "Death to" also occupies a similar space to "gently caress" in Iran. For example, if you are stuck in traffic on your monday morning commute in Tehran, you wouldn't say, "gently caress traffic!", you'd say, "Death to traffic!" It isn't actually saying that you want to kill something, in much the same way that I don't want to copulate with something. Look man, of course they want to kill us all! It's the same way that I wish eternal torment in the fires of hell upon every traffic light that dares to block my way. It's rather funny to me how casually we use the word drat. Do other countries call us out on that in the same way that we repeat the whole "DEATH TO _____" thing?
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Jesus Christ...quote:Excuses are abundant, and so is the negativity. Yes, I do understand 'growing your own' will NOT work for everyone, but it can work for many who think they are unable. Others find it a daunting task and are overwhelmed to even start. I understand that. But if one truly wants to change their situation they will (at least try to) figure out how to do so. brb, gonna go tell my poor neighbors to devote valuable closet space in their NYC apartments to growing mushrooms.
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Uhhh, SWIM made a lot of money doing that in NYC. It is one of the best uses for closet space you can find.
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My brother-in-law is a fifty-something white man living in rural South Carolina, so you'd be forgiven for assuming he'd be very conservative. And yet, sometimes people surprise you:   I'm Holly Graham. My wife is Theo Rhetical, who recently came out as non-binary and has apparently gotten lots of poo poo from family members (with the exception of Frank Furter). And Marvin Gardens is one of Frank's in-laws, who are apparently a bunch of dicks.
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Yeah, do some amateur home improvement trying to put a garden in your closet or patio, that way your shitbird slumlord manager can evict you and pocket your security deposit once he finds out.
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No one would go hungry if everyone would stop being lazy and grow a victory garden. That's what causes famines, laziness. Sudden, unpredictable, inexplicable national attacks of laziness.
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Mister Bates posted:It's a shame, too, because Carter is genuinely one of the nicest people to ever sit in the White House. He was nice, but his economic conservatism didn't help things much.
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There are a lot of Indian doctors in small town Real America. I presume most of them are Hindu or Muslim. It'd be a drat shame if the only specialist in your town decided he didn't want to serve people from your church.
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VitalSigns posted:No one would go hungry if everyone would stop being lazy and grow a victory garden. As an honest to God home gardener, I'm pretty sure I could buy truffles at a lower per pound price than the tomatoes I grow some years.
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Anubis posted:As an honest to God home gardener, I'm pretty sure I could buy truffles at a lower per pound price than the tomatoes I grow some years. Yeah, home gardening really isn't going to make anyone rich, or save a hell of a lot of money. Especially for a poor family where asking for $10-$20 to set up a very small operation is quite a bit, it can take weeks or months for you to see a return on investment, if you ever see one at all. That being said, it can be worth it to grow certain things, like herbs. Rosemary grows quickly, is easy to take care of, and adds a lot of flavor to food, and is perfect for a home garden. Several other herbs are similar and can make a cheap home-cooked meal (dark meat chicken comes to mind) much more palatable.
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bango skank posted:Yeah, do some amateur home improvement trying to put a garden in your closet or patio, that way your shitbird slumlord manager can evict you and pocket your security deposit once he finds out. One of the low incoming housing communities in the city where I used to live has crazy HOA type rules that include a limit to the exact amount of plants you can have on your porch. Also, if you so much pop the hood of your car and look like you might be thinking of fixing something they'll yell at you and threaten you with a violation. You could have a dead battery and they'd tell you to get a tow off the property if they caught you trying to put a new one in. Poor people put up with such an incredible load of bullshit just to be able to get simple things done. It's a trap.
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How can they be poor if they have a car in the first place?  W/r/t the discussion on the previous page: Clinton will be considered a reasonable Democrat only insofar as he can be used as a comparison to the current Democratic president. If/when Hillary is elected, the GOP will be quick to remember that the Clintons murdered Vince Foster and the Secretary of Commerce.
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My neighborhood is pretty rad. The city allows you to have up to 8 chickens and most of my neighborhood has front yard box gardens going on. It's big city so its nice that people use what little lawn they do have for good use.
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FIRST TIME posted:
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Dr Pepper posted:
"We don't want to look like a bunch of poors." That's really it- they're afraid if they look poor, it will somehow cause property values to fall. It's the same reason why you have to buy an energy-sucking clothes dryer rather than hang clothes outside.
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