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Valeyard posted:If this whole thing leads to the residents of Starling City standing up one by one and saying "NO, I am The Arrow!" then it will all be worth it He can't say that or else he implicates himself. And then his daughter as well.
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I actually liked most of the present day stuff. Captain Lance is very clearly thorough in his pursuit of the Arrow and manages to completely corner it, plus he fully accepts that part of him did know that Oliver was the Arrow but he just didn't care when he was an ally. In fact, basically every Lance scene was wonderful. That said, that ending was really stupid. Yeah sure Roy, give yourself in as the Arrow. It's not like Lance doesn't already know you are not, or that you being saved by the Arrow is public knowledge. Clearly, this is a flawless plan. Also the whole Ray/Felicity thing wasn't that bad to me until we returned to the same loving thing this season loves pushing on us, "yeah mum I keep finding men perfect for myself but I really want to bang that one guy that outright told me not to and has been kind of abusive the entire time". It honestly saddens me that a good character got reduced to this poo poo to please shippers. Thank god Diggle is already married. The flashbacks were horrible but that's nothing new. They were worse than ever this episode though. And considering the trailer for next episode all of my problems with this season are going to keep existing. Felicity and Oliver having sex means that we'll keep having their horrible relationship, Oliver is released and Roy gets put in jail but Oliver will break him out anyways (didn't the Flash outright point out why just breaking someone out of prison without actually giving proof of their innocence is a bad idea?) so there's no actual consequences to all of this, and I will NOT believe Oliver becoming Ra's Al Ghul until I see it in action. As far as I know he'll just join then betray everyone and go back to Starling so we can get the status quo back on track.
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Apr 2, 2015 20:16
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Blaze Dragon posted:And considering the trailer for next episode all of my problems with this season are going to keep existing. Felicity and Oliver having sex means that we'll keep having their horrible relationship, Oliver is released and Roy gets put in jail but Oliver will break him out anyways (didn't the Flash outright point out why just breaking someone out of prison without actually giving proof of their innocence is a bad idea?) so there's no actual consequences to all of this, and I will NOT believe Oliver becoming Ra's Al Ghul until I see it in action. As far as I know he'll just join then betray everyone and go back to Starling so we can get the status quo back on track. It's a bad idea if you want the jailee to get to live a normal life and go back to practicing medicine or whatever, but "Roy's permanently on the run living in warehouses/slums/basements" is basically his "normal life".
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Apr 2, 2015 20:25
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Blaze Dragon posted:I actually liked most of the present day stuff. Captain Lance is very clearly thorough in his pursuit of the Arrow and manages to completely corner it, plus he fully accepts that part of him did know that Oliver was the Arrow but he just didn't care when he was an ally. In fact, basically every Lance scene was wonderful. There was been WAY too much yoyoing around this season. Why couldnt Oliver have stayed dead for a few episodes and had his return actually mean something? Or loving explain how a sword through the heart magically disappears an episode later? The only good answer was Lazarus Pit and they just couldn't commit to it. Like Maseo couldn't steal a SINGLE DROP of it, so the audience can be shown just how powerful it is? One little drop healing that entire wound in hours? Nah we get a shot of Ras dipping a lil paper cut in his hot tub that totally gets the point across. How many more times is he going to fly to and from Namba Parbat or wherever the League hangs out? Just weird pacing all over the place. I really wanted Oliver's dead body dropped in the pit only to have it start bubbling and foaming crazy green poo poo. The League flips out because it was supposed to go red, like it always has before, so they start calling him Greenman and Charlie kelly also pops out and the Finch from Person of Interest sort of monologues his way around the League's hideout complimenting the architecture.
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VagueRant posted:On that note, is Diggle still getting a salary from him? How is he supporting himself? Except now she's unemployed too so...I guess the baby's gonna have to pull her share of the weight.
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Apr 2, 2015 20:30
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BrianWilly posted:I'm thinking Lyla has been the breadwinner of their household. I like to think that both Lyla and John have both been embezzling for years.
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Apr 2, 2015 20:35
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Speaking of Lyla, I think part of the reason why last week's episode was so great was because a large chunk of it had nothing to do with the aggravating ur-plots of this season. Seriously, the whole thing with the League right now is such a let-down from the way they were built up through the years. Ra's Al Ghul concocting this grand overarching mind game ploy with the entire city at his fingertips...just because he's got such a woody for Ollie and neeeeeeds him to be his heeeiiir because he "sees something" in Ollie...god, that doesn't make Ra's look like a powerful shadowy mastermind, it just makes him look needy and weird. I realize now it's the same distillation of issues I've had with Amanda Waller in the flashbacks. Even now in the current flashbacks (heh) with Waller's goons chasing down Ollie and the Yamashiros, at first I thought they're gonna try for a fake-out on us and reveal that Waller's not behind it at all but that someone else is dressing up like ARGUS to hunt them down. But now I realize the show really could make her that pathetic and just make it so that it really is her trying to kill them because her feelings got hurt or something. I still hope I'm wrong and there's a bigger reveal, but this episode hasn't helped matters.
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Apr 2, 2015 20:54
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XboxPants posted:I had absolutely zero idea who that was as well but figured it was just someone we were supposed to know. But now I'm curious... I'm not actually sure Arrow was even there when he was killed though...
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Apr 2, 2015 21:02
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He got killed by Grundy, but Grundy was only there because of Sebastian Blood who was only there because of Slade who was only there because of Oliver. LOGIC.
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Apr 2, 2015 21:05
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32MB OF ESRAM posted:There was been WAY too much yoyoing around this season. Why couldnt Oliver have stayed dead for a few episodes and had his return actually mean something? I think that the show missed a great opportunity to develop the supporting cast more by having Oliver dead for a longer time. Oliver "dying" and coming back to life the next episode basically made the whole idea pointless.
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Apr 2, 2015 21:07
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http://comicbook.com/2015/04/02/arrow-broken-arrow-preview-photos-released Set photos from next episode. Ray slumped over like a bitch after facing Deathbolt is surprisingly hilarious
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Apr 2, 2015 21:10
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imperialparadox posted:I think that the show missed a great opportunity to develop the supporting cast more by having Oliver dead for a longer time. They were never ever ever ever going to have the star of the show stay dead for any length of time. Frankly, I was impressed they kept him out of Starling as long as they did. I did not know Roy is in a movie with The Rock.
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Apr 2, 2015 21:29
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More specifically, he's in a movie with The Rock where The Rock fights an earthquake. I will go see it.
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Apr 2, 2015 21:34
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He also fights a tsunami.
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BrianWilly posted:Speaking of Lyla, I think part of the reason why last week's episode was so great was because a large chunk of it had nothing to do with the aggravating ur-plots of this season. Seriously, the whole thing with the League right now is such a let-down from the way they were built up through the years. Ra's Al Ghul concocting this grand overarching mind game ploy with the entire city at his fingertips...just because he's got such a woody for Ollie and neeeeeeds him to be his heeeiiir because he "sees something" in Ollie...god, that doesn't make Ra's look like a powerful shadowy mastermind, it just makes him look needy and weird. I realize now it's the same distillation of issues I've had with Amanda Waller in the flashbacks. They stole a bioweapon.
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Apr 2, 2015 21:48
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So Roy just screwed Ollie into taking the gig.
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Apr 2, 2015 21:53
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Hahaha am I the only one who finds it hilarious that they cast Doug Jones in a role and then just... put a coat on him? He is the least physically intimidating person, that's why he gets makeup'd to hell and back to make him the size/width of a normal person.
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Apr 2, 2015 21:55
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Stealing bioweapons is a bad thing.
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Apr 2, 2015 21:59
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So, hurt feelings.
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32MB OF ESRAM posted:aw I wanted Lance to flip out start jumping around pointing at Roy going "NO, NO, NO, I know you're the friggin red guy!" at the end. This would have been great to give Roy a taste of his own flipping medicine.
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howe_sam posted:My big complaint was Team Arrow's constant "You can't do this Oliver" when he goes to turn himself in when...what other choice does he have? Go to war with the police? Become R'as? This way the killing stops and R'as hasn't won. I think Roy deciding to sacrifice himself and claim to be the arrow was just completely loving dumb. Holy poo poo, Oliver just saved your stupid asses, why are you willing to go to prison for life years for a LOT of murders you never even did. It was supposed to come across as all noble and poo poo, but it was just unbelievable. And don't try to say "it was Roy's guilt for his Mirakuru murder" either, because he learned about that a while ago and I didn't see him feeling guilty enough to confess to that one in the previous episodes.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I think Roy deciding to sacrifice himself and claim to be the arrow was just completely loving dumb. Holy poo poo, Oliver just saved your stupid asses, why are you willing to go to prison for life years for a LOT of murders you never even did. It was supposed to come across as all noble and poo poo, but it was just unbelievable. Also they already did this in season one, and they brought it up to Oliver in this episode and the team agreed it couldn't work. Then it happens and it just works. gently caress, this season has had to many weird plot choices. It's like all the writers are passive aggressively undoing poo poo someone else wrote a few scenes prior.
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Apr 2, 2015 22:35
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Roy has felt ridiculously guilty about that and it has been focused on in several episodes. And last night when he escaped the cops he said he was almost glad they were finally going to get him. So him turning himself in was not only perfectly reasonable but also completely in character.
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Apr 2, 2015 22:37
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:And don't try to say "it was Roy's guilt for his Mirakuru murder" either, because he learned about that a while ago and I didn't see him feeling guilty enough to confess to that one in the previous episodes. You mean besides the scene he had in the same episode where he said a part of him wished he got caught so that he would go to jail? What exactly would have constituted "feeling guilty enough" for you if him straight up saying it didn't?
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Apr 2, 2015 22:38
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Yeah that trailer was aces. Hopefully those last 5 episodes will pull everything together like I hoped. Also there is a Flash end of season trailer right after that has loads of Arrow stuff in it too. Both look awesome.
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Apr 2, 2015 22:48
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Deadpool posted:Roy has felt ridiculously guilty about that and it has been focused on in several episodes. And last night when he escaped the cops he said he was almost glad they were finally going to get him. So him turning himself in was not only perfectly reasonable but also completely in character. It should be a requirement to watch a show to post about it.
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Apr 2, 2015 22:54
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Aphrodite posted:It should be a requirement to watch a show to post about it. But if I pay attention, how am I supposed to turn out my witty live posts?
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Apr 2, 2015 22:59
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Deadpool posted:Roy has felt ridiculously guilty about that and it has been focused on in several episodes. And last night when he escaped the cops he said he was almost glad they were finally going to get him. So him turning himself in was not only perfectly reasonable but also completely in character. To be fair, the murder of 1 cop while under the influence of some whacked out drug isn't really equivalent to murdering a whole bunch of people ending with the Mayor of the city
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I think Roy deciding to sacrifice himself and claim to be the arrow was just completely loving dumb. Holy poo poo, Oliver just saved your stupid asses, why are you willing to go to prison for life years for a LOT of murders you never even did. It was supposed to come across as all noble and poo poo, but it was just unbelievable. But Oliver was doing the exact same thing, minus the murders he did commit in Season 1, which, up until this last episode, everyone had basically ignored. Why is it okay when Olive does it, but not Roy?
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Apr 2, 2015 23:12
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Ra's will stop murdering people if Ollie's in jail. With Roy in jail, Ra's will just continue putting on that green hood and murdering people. Roy's little self-flagellation act literally accomplishes nothing.
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Apr 2, 2015 23:17
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BrianWilly posted:Ra's will stop murdering people if Ollie's in jail. With Roy in jail, Ra's will just continue putting on that green hood and murdering people. Roy's little self-flagellation act literally accomplishes nothing. Well, it shits up whatever plan Oliver might have had.
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BrianWilly posted:Ra's will stop murdering people if Ollie's in jail. With Roy in jail, Ra's will just continue putting on that green hood and murdering people. Roy's little self-flagellation act literally accomplishes nothing. Yeah and since Roy is flawlessly logical and makes thorough cost-benefit analyses before making major life decisions this is way out of character.
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Apr 2, 2015 23:28
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"In-character" is not synonymous with "enjoyable." Watching every single character on the show make terrible decisions that just blow up in their faces for twenty-two episodes a year gets tiring.
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What's amazing is how Lance has Millions of Cops, but he's the Only Cop. He gets jumped in the alley behind the police station (5th time this season -- the alley's unlucky!), and he's all alone in his office, and he's allowed to call in more money, and do the press conference (isn't there a CHIEF of police?), he rides alone, UNSUPERVISED with Oliver (probably his choice, but I'm suprised he get forced an escort). He is the God of Cops, while still being the worst cop. Also, his heart problems vanished!
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Apr 2, 2015 23:39
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So is there no episode next week? The preview said the 15th.
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Yeah, we're getting next week off for both shows. Hopefully that's the last of the skips. Lance is probably getting away with so much because every single other authority figure in the city has been murdered at this point. Well, there's Laurel, but there's not much she can do but scowl at him in his office.
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