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Elyv posted:Apparently First Response(well, an old version of First Response) was a Standard powerhouse in FFL Holy crap this card I literally never looked at twice basically warped Standard (and a bit of Modern) into Rhino town.
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It really owns that some card made siege rhino the nightmare it is today because no one had the gumption to throw the 41 best red cards (and 19 mountains) together into a deck, like they should be doing every season. Or a slightly bigger deck that plays Sarkhan 
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Apr 3, 2015 17:02
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They almost reprinted Liliana in M15? 
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Apr 3, 2015 17:11
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Yeah, but then they remembered Thoughtseize was a thing and didn't want LotV and that anywhere near the same standard.
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Apr 3, 2015 17:13
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Can you imagine that superstandard Mono B
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Apr 3, 2015 17:19
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Keeping Lili out of standard is probably good. I think she will be in MM3 next year.
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Apr 3, 2015 17:29
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Death Bot posted:Can you imagine that superstandard Mono B The thing dreams are made of.
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Apr 3, 2015 17:29
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mr. mephistopheles posted:That was a cool story about nerfing a potentially playable card into oblivion for dumb reasons.
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Apr 3, 2015 17:32
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Keeping Lili out of standard is probably good. I think she will be in MM3 next year. You mean 2017. Next summer is probably Conspiracy 2. They also need to print that terrible flip card Liliana too...
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Apr 3, 2015 17:33
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Keeping Lili out of standard is probably good. I think she will be in MM3 next year. Wonder if she'll make it to $200 by then.  Yawgmoth posted:I can't believe that none of them ran any of the pile of "all creatures get -1/-1 until EOT" cards in black or any of the "~ deals 1 (or more) damage to each creature" in red or any enchantment hate in white/green. Apparently FFL guys are bad at basic problem solving? No, you don't get it, the card was way too overpowered and impossible to deal with. He's just getting tokens every turn and I am powerless to stop him!
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Apr 3, 2015 17:34
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suicidesteve posted:The thing nightmares are made of. I'd rather not have literally no hand while my opponent blows up my permanents while I am incapable of doing anything about it, thanks. Edit: Also that would make Abzan Midrange literally Modern Abzan Midrange minus Goyfs and Bobs. Count Bleck fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Apr 3, 2015 |
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Apr 3, 2015 17:37
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Hey guys. My buddy Bryan and I have started streaming recently, and we are going to be streaming DTK pre-release events starting at noon CST. Check us out at https://www.twitch.tv/chargingbadgers We are not pros, but we are solid players and we are marginally entertaining. We will also have a third person with us who is a constructed wiz, currently in the top 35 of MTGO constructed standings. I probably won't be checking this thread, but feel free to watch and chat with us.
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Apr 3, 2015 17:42
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Considering y'all complain about that manifest card making infinite loving dues and boring as poo poo gw mirrors despite hurt being an echantment I don't get why you think a white betterblossom would not have warped the format.
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Apr 3, 2015 17:45
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Sigma-X posted:Considering y'all complain about that manifest card making infinite loving dues and boring as poo poo gw mirrors despite hurt being an echantment I don't get why you think a white betterblossom would not have warped the format. Nothing inspires more autistic rage from goons than siege rhino, not even gross rear end whisperwood elemental poo poo
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Apr 3, 2015 17:55
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Truly, First Response was too powerful to have the same CMC as Jeskai Ascendency.
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magic is the worst
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Sigma-X posted:Considering y'all complain about that manifest card making infinite loving dues and boring as poo poo gw mirrors despite hurt being an echantment I don't get why you think a white betterblossom would not have warped the format. Can you just imagine mastery of the unseen along with first response lmao
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Have they ever posted a story about the FFL actually solving a problem before it started? That wasn't "Hey we just wanted to let you know that we almost let you guys play with LotV and Thoughtseize in the same Standard but we realized that would be a mistake.  "All the stories they share seem to be of the "We hosed up because the FFL overvalued a card and somehow nobody saw the counters to it that were right in front of us. " variety.Also Modern would still probably be seeing Rhinos even if we had gotten the original one because "Free OK stat-ed creature off my LoTV with an annoying ETB trigger stapled to it. Cool." Cernunnos fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Apr 3, 2015 |
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Apr 3, 2015 18:16
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mcmagic posted:You mean 2017. Next summer is probably Conspiracy 2. They also need to print that terrible flip card Liliana too... The biggest problem is that, again, Modern Masters doesn't do poo poo to affect prices. If Liliana of the Veil is $100 when MM3 comes out, it will probably be $100 when it stops being printed.
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Apr 3, 2015 18:16
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Sigma-X posted:Considering y'all complain about that manifest card making infinite loving dues and boring as poo poo gw mirrors despite hurt being an echantment I don't get why you think a white betterblossom would not have warped the format.
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Sigma-X posted:Considering y'all complain about that manifest card making infinite loving dues and boring as poo poo gw mirrors despite hurt being an echantment I don't get why you think a white betterblossom would not have warped the format. manifest card gains you life too and also makes nameless creatures that don't get swept by bile blight. they're also not tokens so the new token -2/-2 thing doesn't do anything. or mass bounce or w/e. an extra toughness. a higher potential output cap. spicey brown mustard and pickles
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Angry Grimace posted:The biggest problem is that, again, Modern Masters doesn't do poo poo to affect prices. If Liliana of the Veil is $100 when MM3 comes out, it will probably be $100 when it stops being printed. They've said that they are aware of that issue and that it was a problem with mm1, and that mm2015 won't have that problem. Then again until it comes out who knows
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black potus posted:manifest card gains you life too and also makes nameless creatures that don't get swept by bile blight. they're also not tokens so the new token -2/-2 thing doesn't do anything. or mass bounce or w/e. an extra toughness. a higher potential output cap. spicey brown mustard and pickles oh ya the -2/-2 token thing has a pretty good explanation for why it exists now huh e: is there an anthem effect for tokens that i missed somewhere i dont really pay attention to standard
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Aisar posted:oh ya the -2/-2 token thing has a pretty good explanation for why it exists now huh
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 Completely and definitely not landscrewing. Edit: Kenji gets hit for 5 in the air by a Lightning Shrieker at 10, no fliers, goes to 5. He draws a mountain and passes. His opponent topdecked the Lightning Shrieker. 
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Apr 3, 2015 18:29
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A guy played Virulent Plague in the sideboard against my RDW on Tuesday, but it didn't help much. I couldn't cast my fodder anymore, but I had enough other little creatures it didn't seem to matter. I think GW Devotion/Master of the Unseen is my worst matchup so far, although I also haven't done many mirror matches yet. Drafting tonight so we'll see how that goes.
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Kenji lost to that guy. Turn 1 Keeper of the Lens, the Bolster enchantment, LIGHTNING SHRIEKER into shuffling into drawing Lightning Shrieker. Really the worst possible world.
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Apr 3, 2015 18:48
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Boco_T posted:Kenji lost to that guy. Turn 1 Keeper of the Lens, the Bolster enchantment, LIGHTNING SHRIEKER into shuffling into drawing Lightning Shrieker. Really the worst possible world. It was a magical experience and I'm glad I was there to witness the chaos. 
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quote:WBG 
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I feel like the Siege Rhino we have now is at least of equal power level to that template. The discard ability wouldn't be relevant in this standard format and the fact that Siege Rhino has 5 toughness is very relevant.
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mcmagic posted:I feel like the Siege Rhino we have now is at least of equal power level to that template. The discard ability wouldn't be relevant in this standard format and the fact that Siege Rhino has 5 toughness is very relevant. Me readin your posts /  e: mcmagic y dont u love me!? / 
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Apr 3, 2015 19:35
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Ah yes, the tried-and-true "hope my opponent cannot read my cards when selecting a spell with targeted discard" strat
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Apr 3, 2015 19:45
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Spiderdrake posted:Now imagine they take all documentation with them and leave you with no idea how your currently operational multi-million dollar project is actually functioning. Fixed that for you
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Apr 3, 2015 19:46
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Four Score posted:Me readin your posts Meh Smiter wasn't close to Rhino in power level and it's a card that is still played in modern. Also, like I said, it's discard ability wasn't all that relevant in standard.
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mcmagic posted:Meh Smiter wasn't close to Rhino in power level and it's a card that is still played in modern. Also, like I said, it's discard ability wasn't all that relevant in standard. You obviously never saw someone keep a quad Smiter, 3 land hand against mono-black. 
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Spiderdrake posted:
Oh my god runeclaw bear is driving how can this be Zoness fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Apr 3, 2015 |
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Apr 3, 2015 19:58
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suicidesteve posted:You obviously never saw someone keep a quad Smiter, 3 land hand against mono-black. Yes because that corner case situation was very relevant and happened all the time...
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AgentSythe posted:Ah yes, the tried-and-true "hope my opponent cannot read my cards when selecting a spell with targeted discard" strat Not one, but two people who don't realize that in most cases being ignored by targeted hand removal (nobody plays Thoughtseize right!?!) and in an ideal situation played for free (e.g. "each player discards a card") is actually really good!
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Apr 3, 2015 20:06
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Four Score posted:Not one, but two people who don't realize that in most cases being ignored by targeted hand removal (nobody plays Thoughtseize right!?!) and in an ideal situation played for free (e.g. "each player discards a card") is actually really good! The card is good because it's a 4/4 beater for 3 mana that can't be countered. The discard ability rarely came up in that standard.
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Boco_T posted:Kenji lost to that guy. Turn 1 Keeper of the Lens, the Bolster enchantment, LIGHTNING SHRIEKER into shuffling into drawing Lightning Shrieker. Really the worst possible world. I've lost to Lightning Shrieker more times than I'm willing to admit, it's one of those Bad Cards that a decent chunk of players love and can't be convinced it's bad so I end up having to decide whether or not to burn a removal spell on something they have a 1/28ish chance of topdecking again. I'm still not sure what the correct answer is, the problem with the guy who lays Lightning Shrieker is that he's also the guy who will draft all of the Lightning Shriekers so it seems like he's topdecking the same one when really he's just drawing copy 2 of 4.
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