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Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot

Mokinokaro posted:

Well, I meant more if they want to have sections where you lose the armor powerups you could use something styled closer to that rather than the fanservice suit. It makes far more sense for Samus to be wearing something like that (sans helmet when in the armor) underneath than the zero suit.

i think what you are trying to want is something like her armor in fusion. which she was more mobile in then the normal power armor.

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Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

Cyron posted:

i think what you are trying to want is something like her armor in fusion. which she was more mobile in then the normal power armor.

Yeah, that's a good example.

Of course, the thing is powered by space magic so they can make her armor look however they want to, essentially.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

Cyron posted:

what do you feel about sex? since this thread seem to hate on anything thst seem sexy.
Just for the record, I would actually supply Bayonetta as an example of a sexual character that works because it's so over the top and goofy, not really taking itself seriously as a game to the point where it's almost nearing self-parody(minus some story cutscenes where they think you care about character motivation for some reason). I wouldn't call it progressive, but I wouldn't call it harmful either. On the other hand Metroid tries to sell a fairly serious sci-fi story, and then includes the Zero Suit in this mostly serious setting as something a badass bounty hunter would wear and fight in with a straight face and it just doesn't work, it's stupid to the point of being insulting(especially in other M, although that's obviously not the only problem there). It's a matter of tone.

LazyMaybe fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Apr 4, 2015

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot

Mokinokaro posted:

Yeah, that's a good example.

Of course, the thing is powered by space magic so they can make her armor look however they want to, essentially.

In fusion i think it was taken apart to remove some virus so it wasn't fully magic that time. but i think that was before the suit became a morthing armor.

also this image justified the zero suit.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

Cyron posted:

In fusion i think it was taken apart to remove some virus so it wasn't fully magic that time. but i think that was before the suit became a morthing armor.
Coincidentally, I really like how in fusion they mention that once she's infected, they can't remove the power-suit fully without surgery because the "organic components" of the suit are too heavily integrated with her body. I like that idea, where the suit is some strange, alien, physical thing merged with her on some level, far more than what it sort of evolved into later where it's just something that appears or vanishes out of her in a magic laser lightshow. Having it do that sort of takes away from the "weight" of the thing as a piece of equipment, if that makes sense.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Ultimately it doesn't matter. Metroid is going the way of Castlevania. Their parent companies just don't give a poo poo about it any more. In the case of Metroid, I wouldn't even trust it in the hands of Sakamoto who has gotten more insane with age.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe
It makes Samus go from "badass bounty hunter with the most badass gear around" to "Samus is literally a magical girl" which ruins so much of her character.

I Am Fowl
Mar 8, 2008

nononononono

Mokinokaro posted:

The big exception I was really discussing was stuff like bomb blast suits (and I suppose bear/dog armor as they follow similar principles) that are quite cumbersome and harder to move in because they're designed around taking a heavy impact over fast movement. They're basically an extreme version of full-body hockey goalie pads.

Though, looking at the newer models of bear suit, they don't seem that awkward anymore:



(Hell, I could see a fairly realistic Samus "zero suit" design taking cues from that.)

EDIT: I can see SOME justification for Samus having some sort of extra protection layer under her bigger (more combersome) power armor in case the latter fails but the zero suit is just silly fanservice especially with those dumb heels they added to it in Smash Brothers.

I love Bear Suit Man.

Shine on, you crazy fucker.

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot

Jimbot posted:

Ultimately it doesn't matter. Metroid is going the way of Castlevania. Their parent companies just don't give a poo poo about it any more. In the case of Metroid, I wouldn't even trust it in the hands of Sakamoto who has gotten more insane with age.

as a huge fan of Metroid this is true sadly. at least fire emblem and donkey Kong contrary Is getting some love nowadays in Nintendo land.

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011
yeah there is no reason for this outside of the author liked it, but once again she's isn't being drawn with one hand or anything, there is no pan up empathizing her rear end, or the like. the zero suit follows an internal logic that is dependent and furthers a gameplay segment, while once again being drawn to be appeasing but not overly sexual.

Once again, I'm getting the feeling Other M is coloring perceptions of previous games.

Jack Gladney posted:

You can always tell the experts in the history of ideas by the way they loop instantly into talking about pornography the minute feminism comes up.

I also mentioned things like feminist debate over Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey but sure single out a section of a sentence that was one part about the broadness of a political and cultural philosophy the debates contained with in because the idea that someone can loving disagree with you is loving mindboggling.

Please actually find context from multiple sex positive feminists that slut shaming and expression of female sexuality is only expressed through real people and not consummation of media, but I will quote everyone from Naomi Wolf to bloggers on the internet.

NutritiousSnack fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Apr 4, 2015

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.
While I don't disagree about the Zero Suit having some issues, I always found myself slightly more irked at how they settled on a perfectly nice, realistic look for Samus in Prime 1 and then went full blown anime waifu in everything afterwards.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


At least other good metroidvanias like Guacamelee, Ori and Axiom verge are still getting released.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

NutritiousSnack posted:

yeah there is no reason for this outside of the author liked it, but once again she's isn't being drawn with one hand or anything, there is no pan up empathizing her rear end, or the like. the zero suit follows an internal logic that is dependent and furthers a gameplay segment, while once again being drawn to be appeasing but not overly sexual.
Just because the camera is not literally zooming in on her rear end does not mean it is not a needlessly sexual, stupid design. There is no logic behind it besides "make her look sexy".

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot

John Murdoch posted:

While I don't disagree about the Zero Suit having some issues, I always found myself slightly more irked at how they settled on a perfectly nice, realistic look for Samus in Prime 1 and then went full blown anime waifu in everything afterwards.

samus in prime 1 of what we saw looked a ton like buffy in my eyes, i think it's the blone ponytail but that is what i assume what samus would look like if real. now she is ONICHAN! the hell up with beauty mark and all.

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

IronicDongz posted:

There is no logic behind it besides "make her look sexy".

So? It doesn't not overemphasize her sexuality or reduce the action her's doing solely, primarily, mostly, or even significantly for fanservice. Hell the fact when it was revealed the suit furthered the idea that the player was "naked" in the sense they didn't have their upgrades or special weapons, with her wearing a leotard not bulky safe/powerful looking armor.

We are going to argue around circles here because you seem to think any minunate level of this is bad, while quite frankly I don't in the slightest.

NutritiousSnack fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Apr 4, 2015

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

I think the zero suit is kind of dumb but I don't think it's some horrible abomination. Unnecessary really but I see nothing wrong with making appealing characters.

Rebochan
Feb 2, 2006

Take my evolution

Are the two Zebesian messengers of god dead yet?

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

NutritiousSnack posted:

So? It doesn't not overemphasize her sexuality or reduce the action her's doing solely, primarily, mostly, or even significantly for fanservice.
what

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Whelp, my mama said it and I'll be damned if it ain't true: don't trust nobody who don't like animals and don't notice nobody who gets defensive about video games.

BobbyK
Jun 4, 2008

by Cyrano4747

Little bit of Cyron rubbing off on him

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

NutritiousSnack posted:

yeah there is no reason for this outside of the author liked it, but once again she's isn't being drawn with one hand or anything, there is no pan up empathizing her rear end, or the like. the zero suit follows an internal logic that is dependent and furthers a gameplay segment, while once again being drawn to be appeasing but not overly sexual.

Are you legitimately this clueless?

Is a pornographic magazine inherently nonsexual because print is incapable of panning an image for emphasis? And "It follows an internal logic" is never ever a justification for anything, because you can dream up literally any in-universe justification for anything.

EDIT: I'm just gonna stop at this point, because like I already said, you're either a moron or a troll, so nothing good can come of this.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Okay, I'm confused now. Is the thread coming down in favor of the zero suit or against it? Because I'm still not sure if the guy responding to me being annoyed that more people focused on Samus's tits than her personality was arguing against me or supporting me. Personally I've really got nothing against the Zero suit and just think its kinda dumb, my issue was more with how the reception of samus by the gaming media has everything to do with "dude she's hot" and not "she's a stone cold bounty hunter".

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
So hey I hear that despite of (or due to) his patreon Moviebob owes an absurd amount of taxes
Can we talk about taxes again

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

Arcsquad12 posted:

Okay, I'm confused now. Is the thread coming down in favor of the zero suit or against it? Because I'm still not sure if the guy responding to me being annoyed that more people focused on Samus's tits than her personality was arguing against me or supporting me. Personally I've really got nothing against the Zero suit and just think its kinda dumb, my issue was more with how the reception of samus by the gaming media has everything to do with "dude she's hot" and not "she's a stone cold bounty hunter".

Generally against because it doesn't have much merit other than "form fitting latex".

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

Arcsquad12 posted:

Okay, I'm confused now. Is the thread coming down in favor of the zero suit or against it? Because I'm still not sure if the guy responding to me being annoyed that more people focused on Samus's tits than her personality was arguing against me or supporting me. Personally I've really got nothing against the Zero suit and just think its kinda dumb, my issue was more with how the reception of samus by the gaming media has everything to do with "dude she's hot" and not "she's a stone cold bounty hunter".
I think most people minus NutritiousSnack in here think it's kinda dumb as well, probably not as strongly as me? There's definitely an element of truth to Samus often getting talked about more as "hot woman" than "badass" but I think the reasons why that happens are pretty obvious(ZSS+gamers just gravitating towards that reaction whenever they see a woman)

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot

BobbyK posted:

Little bit of Cyron rubbing off on him

I think he is being a dumbass.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
This is why video games can never be considered art.


Calaveron posted:

So hey I hear that despite of (or due to) his patreon Moviebob owes an absurd amount of taxes
Can we talk about taxes again

I still can't get over the 30% tax rate, holy poo poo .You have to ask for a third more then you actually need just to appease taxman. Here is 30% of my earnings sitting in a bank account that I cannot use so I can pay uncle sam.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

IronicDongz posted:

I think most people minus NutritiousSnack in here think it's kinda dumb as well, probably not as strongly as me? There's definitely an element of truth to Samus often getting talked about more as "hot woman" than "badass" but I think the reasons why that happens are pretty obvious(ZSS+gamers just gravitating towards that reaction whenever they see a woman)

It's just a case of the enthusiast press catering (pandering?) to the male demographic. Most of the people who played those games were male so they throw up these dumb top 10 lists. It's sleazy, sure, but they're doing things that they think will appeal to their audience and get their site traffic. Times are changing and stuff that like isn't generally looked upon favorably but you can hardly blame male writers pandering to a male demographic and even less so blame the developers for how people discuss their work.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh
No, not really. I can be vaguely disappointed though, albeit mostly towards Nintendo .

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot

Leal posted:

This is why video games can never be considered art.

please explane why. because "assholes on the internet" is not a good excuse.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
Oh god you're all still going on about it

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot
Brad review furious 7. i may see it due to being in a theater for a fast and furious movie where people are tearing up at the end, and it sounds like a fun dumb action movie done right.

Cyron fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Apr 5, 2015

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Cyron posted:

about what? gaming is art. assholes on the internet is not going to change it as mush this thread wants it to.

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot

he also give good reviews to the star wars prequals. he is a great critic and the world is less without him but he wasn't right 100% of the time.

also rodger ebert is cool and can say "i love dead puppies" and still be better man then most gamers.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh
god drat are you incapable of recognizing anything as a joke

Thunderfinger
Jan 15, 2011

So do we have to reset the timer in the thread title? Because now it really is 0 days since the last bomb once (if) this is done.

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot

IronicDongz posted:

god drat are you incapable of recognizing anything as a joke

I have a hard time telling if anything is a joke on the internet.

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot

Thunderfinger posted:

So do we have to reset the timer in the thread title? Because now it really is 0 days since the last bomb once (if) this is done.

Internet Critic Discussion Thread 3.0: 0 Suit Days Since The Last Drama Bomb

Jay O
Oct 9, 2012

being a zombie's not so bad
once you get used to it

Cyron posted:

Internet Critic Discussion Thread 3.0: 0 Suit Days Since The Last Drama Bomb

Internet Critic Discussion Thread 3.0: I STILL Can't Believe It's Not GBS!

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Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot
Hey, internet critics! Phelous reviews his first...review.

http://phelous.com/2015/04/01/phelous/and-the-movies/phelous-and-me-review/

let's talk about how phelous is awesome.

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