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Untagged posted:If society wants me to train more, have the next level degree, work out more, community police more, and do all that other stuff your going to have to pay for it. Training time isn't cheap, colleges are expensive, the gym equipment at my station sucks, and walking a neighborhood foot beat consistently doesn't work when you have five calls holding and supervisors throwing fits over the response time. So if you increase our budget a ton, and hire at least double the cops we have now so we can do all this and still cover calls, I'd be grateful. Until then, welp. The calls holding thing is the biggest. Cops respond to so much poo poo that we have no business responding to that we end up chasing the radio all night since cities/counties try to have as few of us working as possible and just trying to maintain a ratio of x cops per 10,000 citizens or whatever.
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In places where calling the cops isn't verboten, the citizens have a lot of blame for that too. "There are teenagers walking down the sidewalk in front of my house, can you send an officer over" 5 minutes later Him: "There were teenagers on my sidewalk!!" Me: "That's what it's there for." Him: "But they might have been up to something!" Me: "Sir, they're teenagers. They're always up to something, but that's a matter for their parents, not the police."
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What is your opinion of federal law enforcement officers like myself and why.
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Melthir posted:What is your opinion of federal law enforcement officers like myself and why. Gayyyyyy
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Grem posted:Gayyyyyy He's probably an air marshal. 
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Apr 5, 2015 07:20
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More like agenda 21 fema officer am I right
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Smiling Jack posted:This is Sid Hatfield. He was a cop in a mining town. Management sent in some Private Military Contractors to evict people and Sid dropped those assholes like a bad habit. Top cop. I refuse to follow your dumb dating system. Fo3 fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Apr 5, 2015 |
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We respond to a bunch of calls we have no business responding to as well: 9 yr old refuses to go to school Bit by a stray cat I was petting Cat ran over in the road Neighbor blew leaves in my yard Someone dumped trash on the side of the road Barking dogs Neighbor is having a birthday party for his 6 year old on a Saturday at 2 pm and the music is too loud!
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Apr 5, 2015 14:33
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Melthir posted:What is your opinion of federal law enforcement officers like myself and why. Depends what agency you work for.
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Apr 5, 2015 15:11
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I'd consider FAMs if I could get points and frequent flyer miles on my work trips. Be riding first class police like a boss.
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Whale Cancer posted:We respond to a bunch of calls we have no business responding to as well: Bring SWAT team with bazookas.
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Kiryen posted:Unfortunately, police work requires a lot of habits that are very bad for you. You eat a lot of bad food because that's all there's time for or because it's 3:00 am and only one or two places are open. You HAVE TO sit in cars, in front of a computer, or waiting around in court for days on end. Few departments offer on-duty time to work out and exercise. It's very easy for citizens to tell the police "get in shape!" when you are not the one that has to do it after getting only 5 hours sleep for days on end because of your work hours - not to mention finding time to spend with your children and spouse. Okay, so why exactly is this allowed to be the case? I mean, in any other industry, this is a clear consequence of inadequate staffing. Terrible work/life balance, lots of overtime, health consequences due to work. We don't pay cops -that- much. So what's the motivation to keep things this way?
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What's the most corrupt PD in the US, or the one with the worst reputation? (and what led to this fame)
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midnightclimax posted:What's the most corrupt PD in the US, or the one with the worst reputation? (and what led to this fame) LAPD easy Rodney King (white people loving up) Riots OJ Trial (white people letting you guys get even) Etc Etc Etc -I'm not a cop
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Cole posted:LAPD easy Na, NOPD easy. All that lapd stuff was decades ago and New Orleans holds a proud tradition of being a shithole to this very day. The Feds even came in and forced them into a consent decree that basically says "you guys keep it up & were taking over"
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Liquid Communism posted:Okay, so why exactly is this allowed to be the case? I mean, in any other industry, this is a clear consequence of inadequate staffing. Terrible work/life balance, lots of overtime, health consequences due to work. We don't pay cops -that- much. There's your problem. Nobody wants to be the police for the money we get paid so we're staffed by dudes who didn't want to do anything else, or dudes who enjoy the power trip. There's a percentage who do enjoy catching criminals and choose to do it for basically nothing even though they're capable of other things but not too many. Increase pay and you'll increase applicants, more applicants means more choice as to who gets hired instead of the current "understaffed so we'll take anyone who meets the base qualifications."
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Vahakyla posted:Hey British bobbies, does the British regular police training teach how to handle firearms in any way? I know of course that it doesn't teach to use a firearm offensively, but is there anykind of instruction for disabling, unloading and securing one, if found on a scene perhaps? Or is it just left to be for Armed Officers? Our training is basically "LEAVE IT ON THE FLOOR, ONLY A VERY SHORT BURLY DUDE THAT LOOKS SUSPICIOUSLY LIKE JOHNNY BRAVO COVERED IN TRIBAL TATTOOS IS ALLOWED TO TOUCH THAT" Ummm I played Counterstrike once so I'm pretty sure I know how to make a firearm safe, gosh. Kiryen posted:Also, you seem to have a misconception. Helping people is not the fundamental reason police exist. The main reason for the police is to catch criminals (however we choose to define criminals). Helping people is a part of what the police do, but people who think that is "why they have this job" are fundamentally mistaken. There are all kinds of other services that exist exclusively to help people. Many of those services are inadequate or poorly run, but that is not the fault of the police. The problem arises when people summon the police and expect them to be social workers. The police are not social workers. When the police come, the are going to resolve police problems. People should not generally call the police for things that are not police problems, and when the police come and solve a police problem it is unfair to then complain that their solution wasn't appropriate for a social problem that existed alongside the law-breaking. For example, at the point the police are called to deal with a knife-wielding mental patient there have generally been plenty of opportunities to intervene long before that was necessary. When people then blame "the police" for shooting him after he charges with the knife they are really just being intellectually lazy - it's very easy to sit in one's armchair and complain about the police shooting a mentally ill person and never even think about what might or might not have been done in advance that might prevent that situation. 
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Vahakyla posted:Hey British bobbies, does the British regular police training teach how to handle firearms in any way? I know of course that it doesn't teach to use a firearm offensively, but is there anykind of instruction for disabling, unloading and securing one, if found on a scene perhaps? Or is it just left to be for Armed Officers? We get about 6 hours on practical ways of how to deal with a suspect with a gun. Every single technique is very closely followed by the caveat "But you are probably still going to get shot, and if they want to kill you they almost certainly will" They teach you some techniques of very questionable value like grabbing the gun and pulling it in to your stomach where the vests have the best protection etc. In reality you try to cave their head in with a baton. A gun, just like a knife, if they want to hurt you and they know how to use it, you're hosed without a taser or gun. They teach you how to unload a gun, how to make safe but the standard procedure is to leave it alone so firearms units can secure it for forensics. I don't think police should be routinely armed in the UK but at the same time if someone pulls a gun or knife on me I'm going to use maximum force and only stop when one of us can't hurt the other one. A few weeks ago I was involved in an incident where two colleagues were stabbed, one of them seriously in the head. The assailant intended to kill police officers and said as much, he was stabbing for vital organs and when he couldn't puncture the stab proof vests he went for the face. There was absolutely no chance of reasoning with him, distracting him or otherwise neutralizing him. If I, or any of my colleagues, had a gun he would have been shot. It was pure luck he didn't kill someone and I challenge anyone to explain to me how he could have been dealt with non-violent action.
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Melthir posted:What is your opinion of federal law enforcement officers like myself and why. is this serious or an elendil joke
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Kiryen posted:In places where calling the cops isn't verboten, the citizens have a lot of blame for that too. Literally last week: Control: Report of youths loitering at X train station. Please could you attend Me: uhhh I have quite a lot of paperwork to do Control: You are showing as the nearest resource I arrive after driving 30 minutes, because we have to attend the call within 60 minutes. Me: What are you dudes up to Kid: Waiting for a train to X Me: Fair do
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Pin sergeant. Join a territorial force. Nearest resource for 30 minutes is terrifying. Do you switch to local channels when you attend a call in case you need immediate assistance?
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Cole posted:LAPD easy You forgot Rampart
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Bernard McFacknutah posted:Pin sergeant. 9 times out of 10 we arrive after everything has finished, so a lot of our work is follow up investigation. We also do a lot of football escorts which can get quite rowdy. Yeah, I always have my vehicle radio set to the local's channel just in case I come across something for them to deal with or if there's any live firearms incidents that I'm about to drive through (true story) but not many others in my station seem to do this. It's mostly the younger officers who do. We're also keen to back locals up if we're not on enquiries. Invariably if you drive through the boozy parts of town on a Saturday you'll be flagged down by a bouncer who has someone restrained on the floor. Just a quick shout to locals, they attend and you swan off after a brief verbal handover! We're able to export log updates to my local force's control room electronically, so there's not much point in switching channels as if things go pear shaped I can press my fun button and the Home Office Party Van will show up in short order. I cover an entire county on a good day, on other days I have been known to cover three different force areas. Most of the time I'm single crewed too, as per our force policy. I'm quite interested to see where my force will go in the next few years, home office will likely be hit by further cuts which means we'll have one of the biggest budgets to play with... That and the force I might have considered transferring to are no longer taking transferees from my force after they got lumped with a complete nitwit by all accounts.
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LeoMarr posted:You forgot Rampart that's what the etc etc was for IDIOT
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midnightclimax posted:What's the most corrupt PD in the US, or the one with the worst reputation? (and what led to this fame) I don't think it would be any of the famous ones. As a reminder, the San Fran Sheriffs' Dept just got caught running gladiator cage matches with inmates, and SF actually has IA and a public defenders' office with juice. If you can get away with poo poo like that in a city that has independent oversight mechanisms, I have to imagine there are probably some county sheriffs out in West Virginia who rule their sleepy mountain towns like Lord Humongous and have a meth cook going in one of the empty jail cells.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I don't think it would be any of the famous ones. As a reminder, the San Fran Sheriffs' Dept just got caught running gladiator cage matches with inmates, and SF actually has IA and a public defenders' office with juice. If you can get away with poo poo like that in a city that has independent oversight mechanisms, I have to imagine there are probably some county sheriffs out in West Virginia who rule their sleepy mountain towns like Lord Humongous and have a meth cook going in one of the empty jail cells. you're being watched now
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How many of you guys have done event security? What's the funniest/coolest/whateverest thing you've seen or done at an event? Have you ever gotten to arrest or otherwise harass a celebrity? Have you ever had a chick offer sexual favors to get out of trouble a la Super Troopers?
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USMC503 posted:Have you ever had a chick offer sexual favors to get out of trouble a la Super Troopers? No, although I have been offered sexual favors for no apparent reason.
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Goons know something fishy is up when someone tries to sex them.
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USMC503 posted:How many of you guys have done event security? I was asked to carry a girl who suffered from some motor neuron disease on to stage, she was in a wheelchair but I propped her on to me shoulder and the crowd were pretty fond of seeing a copper on his knee letting someone give a speech. I've never been offered a sexual favor but I was on a cordon one night and a girl asked for my number. She was a 3/10 so I replied with my shoulder number, she voiced some significant dis-satisfaction with my answer so I said "Madame, if you would like my phone number then may I suggest 101 or 999 in an emergency" She was still rather upset so we reconciled our differences by me placing her under arrest for drunk and disorderly.
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Bernard McFacknutah posted:I was asked to carry a girl who suffered from some motor neuron disease on to stage, she was in a wheelchair but I propped her on to me shoulder and the crowd were pretty fond of seeing a copper on his knee letting someone give a speech. I no longer feel bad for hooking a chick for battery because she slapped me after I grabbed her rear end as she was walking into an event that I was staffing
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Bernard McFacknutah posted:I've never been offered a sexual favor but I was on a cordon one night and a girl asked for my number. She was a 3/10 so I replied with my shoulder number, she voiced some significant dis-satisfaction with my answer so I said "Madame, if you would like my phone number then may I suggest 101 or 999 in an emergency" She was still rather upset so we reconciled our differences by me placing her under arrest for drunk and disorderly. So did this get you into her pants? Don't leave us hanging; that's rude.
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Bernard McFacknutah posted:I was asked to carry a girl who suffered from some motor neuron disease on to stage, she was in a wheelchair but I propped her on to me shoulder and the crowd were pretty fond of seeing a copper on his knee letting someone give a speech. dusted
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Kiryen posted:So did this get you into her pants? Don't leave us hanging; that's rude. Okay okay, I placed her under arrest for drunk and disorderly, then the romance really happened. I escorted her to custody, as a gentleman would. In custody I relayed the details of the offense to the custody sergeant. Detention was approved. I then completed my paperwork, returned home, and left my missus looking like an over-stuffed eclair.
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krispykremessuck posted:is this serious or an elendil joke Yes.
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TheSoldier is this you?
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JayKay posted:TheSoldier is this you? Why am I not surprised that this is Florida.
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They suck, call me for legal advice instead. 1-800-FTP-4YOU.
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been arrested for whipping your old lady with an extension cord? call saul lebowitz at 1800diepigs
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Bernard McFacknutah posted:I was asked to carry a girl who suffered from some motor neuron disease on to stage, she was in a wheelchair but I propped her on to me shoulder and the crowd were pretty fond of seeing a copper on his knee letting someone give a speech. So if she was hot she never would've gotten arrested. Nice.
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