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PCOS Bill posted:But that IS what people rush in to whine about. "This tiny car doesn't have 32737354 horsepower?!?!?!" Yep, resorting to hyperbole again. I guess any time someone makes a critique about horsepower they should post a trigger warning.
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Coredump posted:Yep, resorting to hyperbole again. I guess any time someone makes a critique about horsepower they should post a trigger warning. I start with hyperbole, it only gets worse from there. There's no resorting about it.
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Apr 4, 2015 20:58
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My 130hp(when new) 2500lb shitbox can easily handle merges and all kinds of traffic fuckery. I'm sure the 125hp roadster that weighs in at nearly 700 pounds less will do just fine.
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If someone's going to shell out $20k for an impractical, sporty car, they're going to want one that won't get walked by the Joneses V6 econobox. Just look at what's happening to the GT86 sales. VV AfricanBootyShine fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Apr 4, 2015 |
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Apr 4, 2015 20:59
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AfricanBootyShine posted:If someone's going to shell out $20k for a 'sporty' car, they're going to want one that won't get walked by the Joneses V6 econobox. Which is why the mazda miata has sold exactly 0 units since its introduction.
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Apr 4, 2015 21:01
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SperginMcBadposter posted:Which is why the mazda miata has sold exactly 0 units since its introduction. RIP Miata, you could have been so much more
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Apr 4, 2015 21:03
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-Powerful -light -cheap Pick 2. Proceed to degrade those who have chosen differently. Act like you don't understand their choice
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Apr 4, 2015 21:05
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SperginMcBadposter posted:Which is why the mazda miata has sold exactly 0 units since its introduction. The Miata's sales have been on the decline since the early 00s. In the sporty-car segment, their sales figures for 2014 was below the 370Z, the 1-series, the BRZ,/FRS, even the Volkswagen CC. In fact, it was 221st in sales ranking. Most of the sporty cars that fell below that are large-margin, low-volume marques like Porsche and Jaguar.
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Apr 4, 2015 21:14
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Good job missing the point there fishmech jr.
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Apr 4, 2015 21:21
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Powershift posted:-Powerful You don't have to pick 2 though. SperginMcBadposter posted:Good job missing the point there fishmech jr. Did he? Or did you? Sure the Miata sold a hell of a lot when it first came out. But as time has marched on it hasn't been the sales success it once was.
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Apr 4, 2015 21:29
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s18q8nzsqI This seems like a neat little economy car. Would probably be a pretty fun little thing, and it's neat that it exists in an economy that doesn't really support sports cars. Too bad it is marketed to a market segment that is literally impossible to satisfy.
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AfricanBootyShine posted:If someone's going to shell out $20k for an impractical, sporty car, they're going to want one that won't get walked by the Joneses V6 econobox. Just look at what's happening to the GT86 sales. I'd actually consider buying this thing and I haven't even bothered to test drive a car in 3 years. It looks to me like it's something I could actually park in the city, and have some fun with on a twisty road. If I can break it loose in 2nd on lovely tires that's enough power for me. I like that it's a small car that isn't some god loving awful prius looking thing. If you think this car needs any more power than what's needed to break the rear wheels loose, or you don't live in a congested urban area, you missed the point. I mean I'm the kind of person who would take a used Elise over almost every sub-30k car on the market right now, so there is that. FiST, miata, and maybe a few other exceptions but yep nothing else that's cheap is interesting to me. HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Apr 4, 2015 |
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Apr 4, 2015 21:40
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Coredump posted:You don't have to pick 2 though. Yeah, you can pick 1 and buy a chevy!
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HEY VAPER posted:its a 1900lb mid engine car with a stick, sounds fun as hell to me. This. Also I really miss my Suzuki Swift Sport every time I get into my much more powerful Volvo. Wagon. Diesel. I really apologize for unleashing the loving fury on this thread.
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Apr 4, 2015 22:26
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Holy poo poo I did not realize it was so tiny. Living in the most congested city of whole North America and Europe), I really want one now, so I can sometimes park less than half a mile from home.
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According to that article, base price pre-tax in Japan is going to be appx. $15k US. Obviously you can't directly compare prices between countries and US equipment would be different but wild guess it would probably sell for about that much in the US, too. If it's ever green-lighted (ha no it won't be)
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Spatule posted:Holy poo poo I did not realize it was so tiny. It's like a somewhat oversized shifter-cart with 2 seats and a body kit. 
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SperginMcBadposter posted:Which is why the mazda miata has sold exactly 0 units since its introduction. The Miata's sales have been on the decline since the early 00s. In the sporty-car segment, their sales figures for 2014 was below the 370Z, the 1-series, the BRZ,/FRS, even the Volkswagen CC. In fact, it was 221st in sales ranking. Most of the sporty cars that fell below that are large-margin, low-volume marques like Porsche and Jaguar.
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Apr 4, 2015 22:56
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SperginMcBadposter posted:Which is why the mazda miata has sold exactly 0 units since its introduction. I see way more mint condition NAs driving around than I do NCs. I have a feeling it will be the same with the ND. Does anyone really think a Miata with 250hp from the factory would be less fun than a Miata with 150hp? Really?
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As an NA owner really actually for reals looking at picking up an ND, a 250 horse miata would be annoying because i couldnt floor it like an assole at every roundabout and corner without spinning or going "Exhibition of speed" levels that would get me a felony and my car crushed. All i wanted was a new NA with satnav and air conditioning (too bad about the power steering and massive 16 inch wheels) and thats what they delivered. I've never considered a new car but if i dont vote will my wallet, i wont have a chance later. If it became a Nissan Z roadster i wouldnt even look at it.
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I used to own an NA, and it was awesome. It begs to have the piss driven out of it, and that's exactly how it is most fun. While I wouldn't turn down a 200hp ND, I'm still very seriously considering getting the 155hp ND because given its light weight and magical handling it has plenty of power to be fun. Cornering is more fun than acceleration IMO. I know it's a cliche, but "it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow" is pretty true. High horsepower is great and all and I don't fault anyone for wanting/buying it, but for driving around on a daily basis in urban areas it sucks to go from 0 to reckless driving in 6.5 seconds. Plus if I want to do that my motorcycle is faster than any car this side of a 911 Turbo. Guinness fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Apr 4, 2015 |
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^^^^ those are all the reasons i want this honda hoonmachine
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i wonder if this new Honda can tow back any of the MY HORSEPOWERS Chargers and Challengers
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go3 posted:i wonder if this new Honda can tow back any of the MY HORSEPOWERS Chargers and Challengers I think towing is more dependent on MY TORQUES. A small high-revving engine probably won't have much of it.
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Spatule posted:A new sweet looking honda mid-engine roadster, and it's coming to the US ! This is sweet as hell - a new Beat for the cost of getting an old Beat into the states. The can't-turn-traction-control off thing is a bit disappointing; I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Honda is going extra nanny on customers for whom this might be their first mid engine car. Re: power Guinness posted:I used to own an NA, and it was awesome. It begs to have the piss driven out of it, and that's exactly how it is most fun. While I wouldn't turn down a 200hp ND, I'm still very seriously considering getting the 155hp ND because given its light weight and magical handling it has plenty of power to be fun. Cornering is more fun than acceleration IMO. I know it's a cliche, but "it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow" is pretty true. Seconded.
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Just buy a 205whp supercharged manual Cobalt SS with Recaro seats and an LSD for $5k. *runs away*
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Coredump posted:Did he? Or did you? Sure the Miata sold a hell of a lot when it first came out. But as time has marched on it hasn't been the sales success it once was. Well sure the relatively old, inefficient and impractical NC sold poorly in 2014 when most customers are well aware that a replacement is around the corner.
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No guy didn't you hear, nobody buys the miata which is why they cancelled the line and this whole "ND" hoax is just gonna blow over.
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They should make de-tunes for cars that restrict the throttle to 50% or something, so people can still "floor the pedal" all they like without doing anything dangerous, and those of us who don't want to do that but do want more power can enjoy the care more as well. The problem with, for example the FR-S, is that you floor the pedal and then it feels more or less like nothing is happening. Granted, that's after DDing a Mustang for a few years, but I think the point stands. My Dad's diesel SUV feels quicker.
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Fortunately a car exists for people that want a lot of power, they're called Mustangs. Besides, if you need more power out of a super cheap mid-engined car that bad, it's a Honda. Someone's going to make tunes for it, and like all Hondas someone is going to make the mounts for a K-series or something.
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PT6A posted:They should make de-tunes for cars that restrict the throttle to 50% or something, so people can still "floor the pedal" all they like without doing anything dangerous, and those of us who don't want to do that but do want more power can enjoy the care more as well. As to the AE86 twins, that was my impression. The FR-S/BR-Z may have slightly more power and less weight than my '01 V6, but when I floor it at ANY RPM the car starts moving faster. I was severely disappointed when flooring it on my Toyobaru test drive at 4k did absolutely nothing. Granted, flooring it at 7k was quite a bit of fun once you shift down two gears. razorscooter posted:Fortunately a car exists for people that want a lot of power, they're called Mustangs. Besides, if you need more power out of a super cheap mid-engined car that bad, it's a Honda. Someone's going to make tunes for it, and like all Hondas someone is going to make the mounts for a K-series or something.
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razorscooter posted:Besides, if you need more power out of a super cheap mid-engined car that bad, it's a Honda. Someone's going to make tunes for it, and like all Hondas someone is going to make the mounts for a K-series or something. This exactly. gently caress I can get a K-series swap kit for my Pontiac Vibe, if the engine will physically fit this car somebody will do it. It looks fantastic and would be a blast to drive even with the kei-spec plant. If/when they drop here and assuming I can fit into it (read: I won't  . I can't fit into an s2k and this looks like a smaller cabin) I would absolutely buy one.
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Why so much Mustang talk yet no Challenger SRT love?
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ilkhan posted:Yup. And a GT will be my next car soon as the 2016s start rolling down the line. Still, the Mustang is physically a very large car. It would be nice if there were something like that, but smaller, basically purpose-built to hold just the EB 4-cyl instead of having accommodate the V8 as well. It seems like this should be eminently possible, even desirable.
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PT6A posted:Still, the Mustang is physically a very large car. It would be nice if there were something like that, but smaller, basically purpose-built to hold just the EB 4-cyl instead of having accommodate the V8 as well. It seems like this should be eminently possible, even desirable. Focus ST / RS? The Focus RS is even going to have the boost turned up more than the Mustang. I know that you're talking about a small RWD 2 seater coupe, but there's just not room in the market to sell enough of such a car nowadays. The whole reason that the Mustang / Focus are affordable is that they're platforms that sell tremendous numbers.
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atomicthumbs posted:
The base model f-150 with the 5.0 is 10.85 lbs/hp, and that's just a boring work truck. multiplied by the price of $27,385, that's 297,207 benchracing points. Lower is better. the sportscar threshold is 300,000. The new miata is 155hp, 2332lbs, and about $25000. that's 15.04 lbs/hp, and 376,129 benchracing points. not a sportscar The mustang GT is 435hp, 3705lbs and $32,300. 8.52lbs/hp and 275,105 benchracing points. better than an f-150, so it is a sportscar. The hellcat challenger is 707hp, 4449lbs, and $60,995 for a power to weight of 6.29lbs/hp but a massive 383828 benchracing points, even less of a sportscar than a miata. So there you go. If you want a hellcat challenger, buy a miata instead. if you don't want a miata buy an f-150.
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Twerk from Home posted:Focus ST / RS? The Focus RS is even going to have the boost turned up more than the Mustang. I know that you're talking about a small RWD 2 seater coupe, but there's just not room in the market to sell enough of such a car nowadays. The whole reason that the Mustang / Focus are affordable is that they're platforms that sell tremendous numbers. Both the Focus and Fiesta ST are pretty awesome, actually, but I would prefer something RWD. Like a 370Z that's not built by Nissan, and maybe large enough for someone over 6' to fit in comfortably.
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