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DreadLlama posted:Holy poo poo. Thank you for the newbie questions. I will try to follow: What you want doesn't exist.
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What's 2nd best then?
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Apr 3, 2015 07:29
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DreadLlama posted:I realize I'm posting a lot in this thread with questions but not a whole lot about advice for people stupider than me. So first, sorry, and thank-you. Second, I found this today and it was very helpful to me: The Tomshardware link is only "ok." It has a few points that would have been better with a decent editor, and some research. Pushing the CC3D board is... wacky at best. The only mentions I've run across on the CC3D, is "we moved on to the Naze32". And for what you're trying to do, the naza is "exactly the flight controller you need." Speed controllers are necessary for all motors. But where those speed controls are located varies. As you found on your quad, the speed controls are part of the mainboard instead of seperate controllers. My two "big" helicopters have brushless main motors, but their speed controls are part of the mainboard. You're running down a path that's going to cost you a lot of money, without any payoff. Are you serious about doing the site mapping? If you are serious about that, quadcopters ain't gonna cut it. You need flight time, and even under the best conditions you're talking parts of an hour, when you really need "hour plus." Also your desire to deal with winds, really means airplane, with decent airspeed, not a quad. Brushless motors really are that awesome. With sane plane sizes, and big batteries, you can get an hour of flight time. You'll spend a bunch of money on the flight controller. Funny... I own an autococker (minicocker, nasty chinese clone, and a Sterling Sovereign) too. And a bunch of other technically interesting paintguns. ... What you want can't be built for less than $3-4000. I just saw your budget. Sorry man, you're screwed.
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Apr 3, 2015 07:46
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ImplicitAssembler posted:What you want doesn't exist. This was my immediate thought when I first read the reply as well.
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Apr 3, 2015 21:34
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DreadLlama posted:What's 2nd best then? With that budget, nothing gets even close. Up it by a factor of 20 and you're getting there. http://www.microdrones.com/en/products/md4-1000/at-a-glance/ No idea of price, but you can contact them and find out?
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Apr 3, 2015 21:40
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ImplicitAssembler posted:With that budget, nothing gets even close. Up it by a factor of 20 and you're getting there. here's a guy who wants $18k euros for a used one: http://diydrones.com/forum/topics/used-microdrones-md4-200-md4-1000-for-sale It sounds like what the guy wants is a big fixed wing with a huge slow moving prop and Ardupilot software. You won't be able to zoom in "at will." The thing will fly around, and use the digital camera attached to it to take a bunch of birds eye pictures of your property which you then stitch together later. At this point you can zoom in on all the interesting features you want, it's your own personal little Google Map. Even that 18k euro police quad listed above will need regular maintenance. it's the name of the game. Imagine if an airline was looking to buy a fleet of planes they could just let sit around for 15 years without requiring maintenance. Would you EVER fly with them?? Fuuuuck no. Maintenance is ABSOLUTELY necessary when you're putting a 10+lb plane in the air. That's why it is good to build your own as opposed to buying a kit in my opinion, you're going to know how to put it together and what it looks like when something isn't right. As far as the flight characteristics you want, nothing will do that. You've just described like 4 different aircraft in one paragraph. If you want it to float in place you want a quad, or a big helium balloon anchored to the ground. If you want it to soar like a cloud you're going to want some sort of plane, but the larger you go, the more dangerous it will be to fly it low. You're going to crash a lot and durability is sort of a joke word because everything breaks when you're a beginner. Basically you're going to need to split your goal up into bare minimum 2 aircraft. The long distance site surveyor plane thats basically an autopilot drone, and a little 250 FPV racing quad that will let you rip around at 50km/h and bother people. But even these two won't do EVERYTHING you want it to. You could easily build the FPV racer for your budget. You'd need to quadruple it to even start considering a big rear end surveying drone. bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Apr 3, 2015 |
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Apr 3, 2015 21:58
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It is the most frustrating thing having a shipment say it's delayed a business day due to weather, but then having it arrive at the local UPS center 30m away. And then not moving all day with no tracking updates or information from the people there. I just want my Naza to get here so I can actually start building this drone.  Question: With the Futaba T8J, I'd like to bind one of my other quads to it while I learn how to use an actual BNF transmitter, if possible. So far I've only seen the Ominus have anything documented about binding a different transmitter, but from what I understand I would need something else to make its SLT receiver work with my transmitter. Is there a specific part I should be looking for? If the Synchro or Hubsan X4 can be directly linked without that part, that would also be cool.
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Apr 4, 2015 02:40
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I'm really close to buying a Phantom 2 Vision+. Is there anything else I should consider before pulling the trigger? Pretty much looking for a solid aerial photography/FPV platform for around that value. Interested in other RTF kits or buying parts and building my own (never done this before however). Bonus points if it's something that uses a GoPro; how feasible/difficult/expensive is it to go FPV with a GoPro?
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Apr 4, 2015 03:11
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Digital Jesus posted:I'm really close to buying a Phantom 2 Vision+. Is there anything else I should consider before pulling the trigger? Pretty much looking for a solid aerial photography/FPV platform for around that value. Interested in other RTF kits or buying parts and building my own (never done this before however). Bonus points if it's something that uses a GoPro; how feasible/difficult/expensive is it to go FPV with a GoPro? I think its just a cable you buy to get the video out. Worst case you put a 30 dollar camera for flying next to it, while the Go-pro records high quality. I haven't really looked at the video platform side of the hobby much, so I'll leave others to comment there. But DJI does seem to have made that their market. Edit: Oh, that 18k comes with a FLIR camera. They really don't give much on the specs though. Like what resolution are they sending back to the ground station? Ugh, I thought my OrangeRx Tx module sounded funny. Was having trouble binding my quad, then noticed it wouldn't bind to anything. My other Tx module works fine though. And of course it doesn't seem to be in stock anywhere convenient. I'd have to swap out the Rx on my quad, Bixler2, and wing if I don't replace it with the same. Almost looks like it has some corrosion on the board. Golluk fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Apr 4, 2015 |
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Apr 4, 2015 04:07
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Apr 4, 2015 04:23
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Digital Jesus posted:I'm really close to buying a Phantom 2 Vision+. Is there anything else I should consider before pulling the trigger? Pretty much looking for a solid aerial photography/FPV platform for around that value. Interested in other RTF kits or buying parts and building my own (never done this before however). Bonus points if it's something that uses a GoPro; how feasible/difficult/expensive is it to go FPV with a GoPro? wait a few days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNcWQYdgVQQ
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Apr 4, 2015 05:25
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Interesting! Thanks.
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Apr 4, 2015 05:37
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DreadLlama posted:Sorry. I was really drunk when I posted that. Are you on speed? Should you be on speed? Are you still drunk? I am not kidding. First off, you're wrong on "the same frequency being necessarily bad" the 2.4ghz protocols are frequency hopping. They pick a few to jump through, and lots of devices can coexist in 2.4ghz without any real issue. They're also keyed, so if two devices run into each other, they just ignore the traffic and hop again. Both of those 350 size quads are quite good. Neither one will do what you want, but are good at what they do. The WLToys one is "a toy" and definitely will not do what you want, and isn't even good at what it does. Most quads fly on the same 6050 accelerometer and gyroscope chip. It doesn't take much of a processor to handle that and keep a quad level. The accelerometers are MEMS devices. I'm not in the mood to describe in detail how those work. Wiki is your friend. Look up solid state gyro, and MEMS. The processor isn't usually the limitation. The $32 board in my quad can do everything, including interpreting input from an optical flow sensor, ultrasonic sensors, and GPS. Software is not the internet. The internet is not piracy (it's actually porn, music, and legal tv.. I know this, I work there.) Piracy has high costs, mostly to the end users. Software is not free. Software is only free if the people who wrote it, say it is. DJI charges a lot, because their software is complete, reliable, and consistent. That little stream of logic there is utterly insane. In comparison to the motors, of even the smallest quad, GPS sensors are not power hungry. So, "why are quads expensive." Because as you scale up, the "amount of stuff" goes up by the cube. If you double the size of the quadcopter, you're talking eight times as much stuff. That has a value. Shipping it has a value. It all adds up. Why is a good quad better than a cheap quad? It's software, and integration. When you build a network, you don't pay out the nose for the hardware (that's around the same price for everyone) you pay out the nose for the people who put it together. Doing it well costs more. And lets bring this around again. None of those quads would do what you need. They're delicate. They will need maintenance. They will need a stream of replacement parts. They'll need a competent pilot to fly them. To address a few other things. First, is flght time. To fly longer, you need bigger batteries. To carry bigger batteries you need more power. To have more power you need a bigger airframe. Bigger airframes weigh more. So you need more power. More power needs bigger batteries to fly the same amount of time. So you need bigger batteries to fly longer. Yes, it's circular. Not a lot of quads fly longer than 30 minutes. My NanoQX flys 8 minutes on 150mah. That's about .6 watt hours. To fly a DJI Inspire 1 for 20 minutes? you're using 129 watt hours. If you want to fly for time, you need wings. And on that note, I'm done.
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Apr 4, 2015 06:16
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You should scroll back through your posts to there part where several solutions to your mapping query were posted and before you started posting like a crazy person dreadllama
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Apr 4, 2015 08:58
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I still don't see a solution for a quad that makes Julian fries too. Though I guess a big enough one would if you tossed a potato at its blades while hovering.
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Apr 4, 2015 17:10
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Apr 4, 2015 17:31
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Golluk posted:I still don't see a solution for a quad that makes Julian fries too. Though I guess a big enough one would if you tossed a potato at its blades while hovering. jamie is working on one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fe9IDx3vCs
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Apr 4, 2015 18:14
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A Yolo Wizard posted:jamie is working on one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fe9IDx3vCs Flitetest made a smoothie while in-flight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAWtyJhZJQ8
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Apr 4, 2015 19:05
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I wanted to get a fixed-wing trainer as I'm ordering all the expensive poo poo for my quad already. I'm looking at EasyStar knockoffs on HK, is there any reason to pick the FloaterJet/Firstar/Bix3 over whatever's the cheapest of them?
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Apr 5, 2015 20:15
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Posted a few clips from my Inspire 1 on a video I made of our neighborhood Easter egg hunt from yesterday. I'm still figuring out the video editing thing. Cameras used were Hero3+ Black on my 2 1/2 year old with a jr chesty mount, HD Hero2 for the time lapse, a T5i for a couple hand held shots and the Inspire 1 for all aerial stuff. http://youtu.be/ZNP7HwGfUVQ
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Apr 5, 2015 20:59
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Somewhat Heroic posted:Posted a few clips from my Inspire 1 on a video I made of our neighborhood Easter egg hunt from yesterday. I'm still figuring out the video editing thing. Cameras used were Hero3+ Black on my 2 1/2 year old with a jr chesty mount, HD Hero2 for the time lapse, a T5i for a couple hand held shots and the Inspire 1 for all aerial stuff. http://youtu.be/ZNP7HwGfUVQ Do you have a Phantom 2v+ also? Does anyone have both an Inspire and the P2v+? I am looking for a side by side video comparison between the two.
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Apr 5, 2015 22:31
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One of my friends sent me this earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZTtWnFMc_s Am I right in guessing this is basically a scale blimp built to look like an airliner? I love how slow and gentle it flies, it looks super cool in motion.
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Apr 5, 2015 22:38
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Elendil004 posted:Do you have a Phantom 2v+ also? I don't. I have a phantom 2 with a H3-2D gimbal. My dad has a P2V+ though. There is much less distortion for the lens on the inspire. The inspire takes superior photos and videos (aided by the optional ND filter). You get 30 degrees more range of movement on the tilt plus the whole 'moves camera 360 degrees around' thing. Flying with dual controllers is fricking awesome. Full manual controls over the camera is pretty awesome (shutter speed, exposure value etc). A full featured app that is brilliant to use (using iOS) really long range and full high def video down to your device is magical. It's way more powerful/faster and more stable in pretty much any flight conditions. Even the hands on feel of the controller makes the phantom controller feel cheap. There is a definite reason it's 3x the cost of the Phantom. In the hands of someone capable it is an incredible tool. That said I am happy I had my teeth cut on a phantom as the inspire is a bit too much for a first timer.
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Apr 5, 2015 22:51
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I placed an order for an Xiaomi Yi for my 250 FPV quad, so we'll see how good it really is.
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Apr 6, 2015 00:04
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Just picked up at Nano QX RTF. Glad I started with it since even in SAFE mode it is a challenge to control. Just hovering at a fixed elevation seems to be beyond my abilities. I keep yoyoing up and down. Hopefully I'll keep getting better. Assuming I do eventually get better, is there a recommended quad for aerial photography that can handle water landings in the ocean? I live in the pacific NW, and am on water with some frequency. The water is cold enough that diving in after it isn't really recommended. Any options for that?
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Apr 6, 2015 05:33
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Geburan posted:Just picked up at Nano QX RTF. Glad I started with it since even in SAFE mode it is a challenge to control. Just hovering at a fixed elevation seems to be beyond my abilities. I keep yoyoing up and down. Hopefully I'll keep getting better. There's the QuadH2o but I haven't personally used it. Looks to be what you're asking though.
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Apr 6, 2015 09:13
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theres also this http://www.amazon.com/FPVfactory-Waterproof-Quadcopter-Helicopter-Multicopter/dp/B00IMXMVXQ there are a couple of options for waterproof gopro gimbals floating around
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Apr 6, 2015 16:17
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Just finished some of these JR-DSMX modules today, hope to test them tomorrow I'll have 2 extra if anyone is interested (I had to buy boards in sets of 3)
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Apr 7, 2015 02:50
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Oh yeah, I am interested. I've had nothing but trouble with my OrangeRX JR module. I don't have PMs, but you can email me at sa@porksmash.com if you want to work out a deal.
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Apr 7, 2015 04:27
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I'm interested too. Username at gmail. :-)
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Apr 7, 2015 06:15
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My F450 is now fully assembled and wired, and all motors test correctly in the Naza software. ESC startup beeps are normal and the transmitter controls show as working properly (all are green at center except for throttle). But for some reason, I cannot get the motors to actually arm when I try using the transmitter. None of the CSC commands do anything to arm them. It's not a connection issue because I can switch between Atti/GPS/Manual using the transmitter and the drone lights change accordingly. I've also done the IMU calibration, transmitter calibration, and tried reversing the throttle control like a bunch of guides recommended. Nothing helps at all. I've spent hours searching every possible combination of keywords for the T8J, Naza-M v2, and the F450 ESCs, but nothing I've found in dozens of threads ever has an effect on the issue. Literally everything else works up until this and it feels like I'm missing something obvious, but I have no idea what to try next. I'd be tempted to take it to the local hobby shop and see if they can help, but most of the times I've asked questions, they've been clueless and clearly has never even used a drone outside of the cheap demo ones they fly around the shop.
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Apr 7, 2015 18:30
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A Yolo Wizard posted:Just finished some of these JR-DSMX modules today, hope to test them tomorrow I Just ordered an orangerx dsmx tx module last night from some place in Texas. I might be interested in one regardless if the other two don't snag them first. If I had to guess, its something to do with the Naza flight controller. Does it have something that stops you from arming without a good gps fix? Unfortunately I'm only really familiar with the Naze32.
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Apr 7, 2015 18:47
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http://www.quadcopterguide.com/dji-phantom-3-triumph-leaked/ also a new thing from 3dr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMhfQayEiXI
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Golluk posted:I Just ordered an orangerx dsmx tx module last night from some place in Texas. I might be interested in one regardless if the other two don't snag them first. Had full satellites and the same issue. Found a random reference to reversing the elevator in the transmitter settings for the T8J. Tried it, motors arm now. 
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Apr 7, 2015 20:38
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Krittick posted:Had full satellites and the same issue. I have had some weird stuff like that with my planes and futuba transmitter. Glad you found something that worked at least.
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mobby_6kl posted:I wanted to get a fixed-wing trainer as I'm ordering all the expensive poo poo for my quad already. I'm looking at EasyStar knockoffs on HK, is there any reason to pick the FloaterJet/Firstar/Bix3 over whatever's the cheapest of them? I've been happy with my Bix3, I learned to fly fixed wing on the Bixler 2. My only concern with the Bix3 over the two is it might be harder to fix the wings if they break at the fuselage. Though they also seem less likely to do so in the first place. Just remember lots of throttle, and get it up high fast so you have time to recover. I made the mistake of trying to fly low at first, resulting in lots of cartwheels and repairs. Krittick posted:Had full satellites and the same issue. Sounds like it wanted the radio inputs at a certain state before arming. Though I'd expect the elevator channel to be mid point regardless of inversion.
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Apr 7, 2015 23:38
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I also foolishly tried low and slow with my bix2 while teaching myself to fly (because I went from a micro quad) and it took me too long to realize that the way to launch and get going was full throttle (and keeping it there) & not wimping out.
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Golluk posted:I've been happy with my Bix3, I learned to fly fixed wing on the Bixler 2. My only concern with the Bix3 over the two is it might be harder to fix the wings if they break at the fuselage. Though they also seem less likely to do so in the first place. Just remember lots of throttle, and get it up high fast so you have time to recover. I made the mistake of trying to fly low at first, resulting in lots of cartwheels and repairs. I have no idea why it fixed it since all controls were at midpoint already. Even with it reversed, it still behaves the same in the app so who knows.  Took so long getting it all debugged and configured that I only had enough battery for a quick 10s flight indoors earlier, but holy poo poo this thing rules. Taking it outside for its true maiden flight shortly.  I'm starting to realize what an expensive hobby this is. I already find myself wanting to get into fixed wing RC craft to take full advantage of my T8J, and I still haven't even finished getting all the extra poo poo I want for my quad.
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First flight was excellent. Ridiculously stable and no control issues whatsoever. Until the wind picked up suddenly and smashed it into some branches. Broke two of the propellers and cracked the cheap plastic landing gear but it's otherwise fine. Duct taped the landing gear and replaced the props with the spares I had. Are there specific things to look for if I want to get more durable propellers (eg. carbon fiber)? I know I need 10x4.5 props for the F450 but I'm not sure if there's anything else the props need to have in order to fit.
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I know there's only a few commercial types in here, but is anyone going for a 333 exemption?
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