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horse mans posted:good excuse for supporting inethical business practices that hurt living people, imo one can only opt out of so many harmful practices when the entirety of civilization is built upon them. this is sort of like the liberal version of "how dare al gore talk about global warming when he flies in airplanes and uses electricity!" 'all or nothing' is never a good strategy
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e.g. it's okay to buy things on amazon while still supporting policies that would force them to treat their workers better. that's why we have a thing called 'government', to manage the conflict between personal liberties and interests in the public space
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:you can't kick a robot off the worksite when it's broken, you have to fix it. injured contractor? lol gtfo universal minimum wage now
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Cocoa Crispies posted:amazon literally owns the kiva robot company so maybe that's changing imagine how much more efficient this would be if the robots were paid in Fulfillment Coins and had to pay in Beepcoins to beep and Move coins to move.
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duTrieux. posted:universal minimum wage now death to all bankers vote from the rooftops eat the rich
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duTrieux. posted:universal minimum wage now we already have one or do you mean guaranteed basic income
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annapacketstormaya posted:we already have one or do you mean guaranteed basic income yeah that's what i meant, i haven't had any coffee yet
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counterpoint: enslave the poor so my life is slightly more comfortable
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we already have laws that say you can't fire workers for getting hurt on the job, and that they have to be taken care of and people ignore them
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The Management posted:counterpoint: enslave the poor so my life is slightly more comfortable
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i don't like that i'm unable to order results in any way unless i pick a department first I'm not sure the exact reason they do this since I haven't interacted with that team. If i had to guess, its because a lot of search systems at Amazon are Lucene-based and the way Lucene handles sorting by default is "Pull all of the fields you are sorting on into memory to sort them! You have enough memory right?", so you really have to narrow results down aggressively before doing a sort. Could be a business case too (engagement or some poo poo) but I tend to assume technical reasons for things like this. PleasureKevin posted:I was looking for random poo poo on Amazon yesterday cause I have free Prime for a bit and I found like 5 straight pages of the same item, zero variation or anything, all the same seller. There are teams dedicated to tackling this issue. There's simply too much data out there to curate by hand, so automation is leaned on heavily, but that automation can be defeated by very clever or very uninformed sellers. Shaggar posted:also they do stupid poo poo like sometimes different versions of a product are listed separately and sometimes they are listed under one item page and other times they are done both ways. or like when they list tv seasons separately and out of order. I have no idea about the TV season ordering thing, but the way in which this consolidation under an item page is accomplished is, in my opinion, pretty hacky and demonstrably prone to problems. I'm aware of efforts to fix this, so if those efforts pan out hopefully you'll see some improvement.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:we already have laws that say you can't fire workers for getting hurt on the job, and that they have to be taken care of if they got hurt because of their own negligence this is the correct action since they are a danger to those they work with.
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duTrieux. posted:universal minimum wage now
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ryde posted:I'm not sure the exact reason they do this since I haven't interacted with that team. If i had to guess, its because a lot of search systems at Amazon are Lucene-based and the way Lucene handles sorting by default is "Pull all of the fields you are sorting on into memory to sort them! You have enough memory right?", so you really have to narrow results down aggressively before doing a sort. Could be a business case too (engagement or some poo poo) but I tend to assume technical reasons for things like this. What you need is a large scale reorg of your product database. like use an actual directory database and define object classes for products. then you can still dynamically generate pages based on object classes instead of "well I think star trek is a tv show so lets put the movies under that heading" or whatever crap it is now. same with categories and filter values. so like instead of memory being just an empty product with some properties that hopefully match what people search for, memory is an object class with required fields like speed and size and format etc... each of those fields has types based on possible values. so now people cant even enter a product into your system unless they enter in all the associated product data. and not just that but your field type definitions can also be used for choosing how to display the filters. again, you gain all the benefits of highly curated data while maintaining the automatic generation of pages and categories and all that poo poo. also you should tie branded items together into either automatic or manually curated sites. so like if someone searches "star trek" instead of search results they get the star trek brand page with very clear links to things like the tv shows and the movies and merch and terrible books. etc... this could also be automated if you make brands an object class and require the base product object class to have a brand property that is of type brand. then you can generate pages automatically for all brands, and then they can pay you to manually adjust the page. jesus christ I don't even care just fix it. also give me an api for prime video so I can make a client that isn't rear end.
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Dubstep Jesus posted:*dons LF hat*
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amazon has approximately 300 million SKUs sticking all the product data in a single index, in memory, is totally practical on modern hardware
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:amazon has approximately 300 million SKUs how do you fan out the constanat changes, how do you make displaying query results take <10ms (including enough data to actually draw the results screen), etc.
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ok i'm sure there are other constraints but there's no way memory size is one of them
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:amazon has approximately 300 million SKUs what I said does not imply that. sorting is expensive compare to just filtering. requiring the result set to be filtered small enough before allowing advanced sorting option is something I've seen done before to manage tradeoffs. this applies even to sharded data sets. I have no idea what they actually do because I've never talked with that team, but I felt like throwing out speculation since others seemed to be doing the same.
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google search has no poo poo gotten really bad i used to be able to find a thing by just drunkenly putting words into the thing until it gave a result but it doesnt work anymore what is a good replacement
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Snapchat A Titty posted:google search has no poo poo gotten really bad idk why google search doesn't want me to see nude celebrities even w/ safesearch "off" but bing is good for that
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:we already have laws that say you can't fire workers for getting hurt on the job, and that they have to be taken care of well they don't ignore them. they just fire those workers for reasons entirely unrelated to their injuries.
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ryde posted:There are teams dedicated to tackling this issue. There's simply too much data out there to curate by hand, so automation is leaned on heavily, but that automation can be defeated by very clever or very uninformed sellers.
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anthonypants posted:man, if only amazon could capitalize on a service like mechanical turk. i wonder what the reason is behind those two companies not speaking with each other. it could really be beneficial for each of them imo i cannot comment on this specifically butttttt i can say that a TON of this poo poo goes on and the reason is pride also corporate initiative to reduce dependence on vendors and build in-house is a huge thing no naming names, but lots of companies right now are making choices to inhouse poo poo that they used to vendor out and finding it difficult to meet the new ops requirements, such is life
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Snapchat A Titty posted:google search has no poo poo gotten really bad my favorite thing is where google will completely refuse to search for a word that is part of a phrase that is much more common for example say you search "yospos good posters" and all the search results show "yospos bad posters" with bad highlighted as though that was part of the search
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hobbesmaster posted:my favorite thing is where google will completely refuse to search for a word that is part of a phrase that is much more common
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ugh I can't stand when google decides I didn't mean what I was searching for, but the antonym instead
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hobbesmaster posted:my favorite thing is where google will completely refuse to search for a word that is part of a phrase that is much more common it didnt have the heart to tell you there were no results for yospos good posters
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Also sometimes when you search for yospos -bad posters it does "showing results for yospos bad posters instead" Like, that's the opposite of what I wanted!!!
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yospos -bad posters expands to yospos, posters, !bad since there are no good results for that set it will drop "-bad" what you wanted was: yospos -"bad posters" which will simply return 0
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annapacketstormaya posted:The province east of Tokyo? PART 1 Chiba City Doobs ONE The sky above the port was the color of dank, dank clouds in front of a tv, tuned to a dead channel.
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or when im trying to search for something and it keeps trying to rewrite my search query to things that i dont mean so i go back and backspace what it wrote and try typing my query again and it changes it again automatically like at least apple's autocorrect understands hte "only try to correct me once" thing where once you un-correct it it just shuts the gently caress up and lets you do whatever
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:robots for warehouse poo poo have existed for like 20+ years. they keep using untrained wage laborers instead because they are cheaper yeah i assume it's this amazon made a big deal about their robit-powered warehouses back during the bubble 1.0 era.
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ultramiraculous posted:yeah i assume it's this and today? do they use robots, which surely have advanced since then? or did they scratch them in favor of people running around?
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they turned the robots into hand-held scanners that continuously audibly count the seconds until the wage slave is fired
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Shaggar posted:if they got hurt because of their own negligence this is the correct action since they are a danger to those they work with. quoting so he can't edit it lol
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Shaggar posted:if they got hurt because of their own negligence this is the correct action since they are a danger to those they work with. Wrong motherfucker. Workplaces are where performance pressure collide with Occupational Health and Safety. Even when a worker is negligent, responsibility falls on the employer because they're responsible for the circumstances that led to that negligence, whether its through lacklustre management staff, processes, or unrealistic productivity demands. Behaviour based safety is a farce, honest root cause analysis will always find its way back up to management if it wasn't just an rear end covering exercise most of the time.
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lmfao cremnob did you notice that until this post, nobody noticed or cared that you got a 30 day? nobody will care again for the next 11 days.
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