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Kyrosiris: May 24, 2006; You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".

PleasantDirge posted:

bad bots take advantage of people don't know who's a good bot that buys at fair prices.

Absent anything else, that's not much different from reality if you sub "traders" in for "bots".

# ? Apr 6, 2015 14:24

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 10:00

Starving Autist: Oct 20, 2007; by Ralp

Kyrosiris posted:

Absent anything else, that's not much different from reality if you sub "traders" in for "bots".

Yeah, do you really think no one gets ripped off selling to stores? :psyduck:

# ? Apr 6, 2015 14:28

Spiderdrake: May 12, 2001

It's not so much bots as the spitefuck that is the interface.

The Valve marketplace so thoroughly embarrasses MTGO even with all the Russian underground scam wars or whatever it is constantly posting news about.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 14:32

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

Kyrosiris posted:

Absent anything else, that's not much different from reality if you sub "traders" in for "bots".

Well yeah, that's where an actual market with global buy and sell orders fixes things. It takes a really great fool to sell something for half of its value when they can click on "Marketplace" and see a list of active buy orders offering double what XxSleazeBag69xX is for the same card. The bots aren't really the problem, the lack of a real marketplace is.

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In fairness though, Goatbots has actually done quite a lot of work in narrowing the spread and cutting out the extreme arbitrage - I'll confess to not having checked things recently, and the situation sure seems a lot less lovely than it was a while back (providing you're trading cards from Innistrad onwards, that is).

# ? Apr 6, 2015 14:34

En Fuego: Oct 8, 2004; The Reverend

I use MarlonBots (You can google em) and they have always seemed to have fair prices. Who knows, cause I am part of the unwashed masses who doesn't bother to really price check all that much.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 14:36

Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

Man I got really hype to build Tiny Leaders Anafenza, Ghost Waifu, and run First Response, Martial Coup, and all manner of "vomit tokens get value" cards.

And then I saw the dreaded words.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 16:39

AlternateNu: May 5, 2005; ドーナツダメ！

Count Bleck posted:

Man I got really hype to build Tiny Leaders Anafenza, Ghost Waifu, and run First Response, Martial Coup, and all manner of "vomit tokens get value" cards.

And then I saw the dreaded words.

Yeah. She'd be kind of nuts (and probably an auto include in Jeskai Tokens) if she triggered off of any creature.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 16:54

Balon: May 23, 2010; ...my greatest work yet.

I just wish it was "put a +1/+1 counter on target creature" rather than Bolster.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 16:58

Angry Grimace: Jul 29, 2010; ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Lunsku posted:

Okay, I'll bite. Where do you get this "actual worth" here? Surely you're not comparing to paper prices or something equally silly?

Its not even true unless you only use the shadiest, small scale bots. Some bot chains like mtgotraders have very static buy/sell prices - they don't sell terribly high, nor do they buy terribly high, but the relationship between the buy and sell prices is fairly predictable at like 85% of the sell price as the buy price.

The really small bot chains will offer you lowballs because it sometimes works on people who are total fools.

Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Apr 6, 2015

# ? Apr 6, 2015 17:01

Entropic: Feb 21, 2007; patriarchy sucks

I want to see someone netdeck this without catching that Darkslick Shores got mistyped as Darkslick Drake.
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=9376&d=253764&f=MO

# ? Apr 6, 2015 17:14

Irony Be My Shield: Jul 29, 2012

Mistyped netdecks would be a good thunderdome theme

# ? Apr 6, 2015 17:29

Fuzzy Mammal: Aug 15, 2001; Lipstick Apathy

Yeah I don't know where people are getting that 50% number. Reserve your scorn for places like SCG that actually do have 50% margins.

The good bot chains have completely transparent pricing and their margins are actually quite reasonable:

http://www.goatbots.com/prices-ktk.php

# ? Apr 6, 2015 17:33

Toshimo: Aug 23, 2012; He's outta line...

But he's right!

# ? Apr 6, 2015 18:08

Ultima66: Sep 2, 2008

Toshimo posted:

http://nationaldirectrepro.com/shop/canon-ipf-605-24-color-plotter/

Sick deal on the printer though.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 18:11

Snacksmaniac: Jan 12, 2008

Seems legit.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 18:58

Starving Autist: Oct 20, 2007; by Ralp

Turns out the printer is a nonfunctional 3d-printed model of the actual printer, and lol if you think he's going to sell either of those.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 19:07

Lunsku: May 21, 2006

Didn't see this announcement here: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/preliminary-pro-tour-qualifier-updates-2015-04-06

Helene Bergeot posted:

After observing the first round of Preliminary Pro Tour Qualifiers (PPTQs), and after receiving feedback from stores and players, we will be implementing a change in the formats that stores can select from when sanctioning their PPTQs.

Starting with the Preliminary Pro Tour Qualifiers scheduled to take place June 6 to August 16, stores can only sanction PPTQs in two different formats: one will match the Constructed format for the Pro Tour the PPTQ is tied to, and the other will be Sealed Deck. For the next round of sanctioning, this means that a store can only sanction Modern Constructed and Sealed Deck.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 19:52

Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

Lunsku posted:

Didn't see this announcement here: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/preliminary-pro-tour-qualifier-updates-2015-04-06

See this disappoints me because I know every store in my area will absolutely not host a Modern PPTQ.

:sigh:

# ? Apr 6, 2015 19:54

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Count Bleck posted:

See this disappoints me because I know every store in my area will absolutely not host a Modern PPTQ.

I'm sure TOGIT will if you feel like driving an hour.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:06

Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

mcmagic posted:

I'm sure TOGIT will if you feel like driving an hour.

Bleh, I hate nothing more than driving the parkway on a Sunday.

I'll manage, and probably go anyway.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:11

Sigma-X: Jun 17, 2005

Lunsku posted:

Didn't see this announcement here: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/preliminary-pro-tour-qualifier-updates-2015-04-06

What are the formats for the pro tours?

Does this mean I'm more likely or less likely to have modern / legacy tournaments or am I going to have standard forced down my throat?

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:15

Cactrot: Jan 11, 2001; Go Go Cactus Galactus

Sigma-X posted:

What are the formats for the pro tours?

Does this mean I'm more likely or less likely to have modern / legacy tournaments or am I going to have standard forced down my throat?

This year there are 3 Standard, 1 Modern, and the modern one already happened.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:16

TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

Sigma-X posted:

What are the formats for the pro tours?

Does this mean I'm more likely or less likely to have modern / legacy tournaments or am I going to have standard forced down my throat?

You'll eat the Standard and you'll like it

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:16

C-Euro: Mar 20, 2010; Soiled Meat

There's a large eastern US contingent of Magic goons in here, right? I'm moving to Philadelphia next month, where are the cool places to play Magic located so I can subtly sway where my fiancée and I end up living?

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:17

Toshimo: Aug 23, 2012; He's outta line...

But he's right!

Serioustalk:

It is 100% bullshit that this is legal:

while this is banned:

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:18

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Count Bleck posted:

Bleh, I hate nothing more than driving the parkway on a Sunday.

I'll manage, and probably go anyway.

U act like there is a better time to drive on the parkway than on sunday lol.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:19

Kyrosiris: May 24, 2006; You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".

Toshimo posted:

Serioustalk:

It is 100% bullshit that this is legal:

while this is banned:

It does strike me as kinda silly since, you know, you have to put mana into the Thopter/Sword combo, you can't just fart out NI thopters at will.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:21

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Toshimo posted:

Serioustalk:

It is 100% bullshit that this is legal:

while this is banned:

Because that combo is too stupid to be legal.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:22

TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

mcmagic posted:

Because that combo is too stupid to be legal.

Lmao how is a couple of tokens every turn more stupid than infinite exarchs to your face

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:23

mr. mephistopheles: Dec 2, 2009

Toshimo posted:

Serioustalk:

It is 100% bullshit that this is legal:

while this is banned:

Ban both. Infinite combos are boring and non interactive.

E: that may have been your point

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:23

TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

mr. mephistopheles posted:

Ban both. Infinite combos are boring and non interactive.

Thopter-sword isn't an infinite combo :psyduck:

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:24

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

TheKingofSprings posted:

Lmao how is a couple of tokens every turn more stupid than infinite exarchs to your face

IDK. It's just stupid.

(There is no reason for it to be banned)

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:24

Zoness: Jul 24, 2011; Talk to the hand.; Grimey Drawer

mr. mephistopheles posted:

Ban both. Infinite combos are boring and non interactive.

sword of the meek isn't infinite without kcw and w/ kcw it's a 3 card combo

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:24

mr. mephistopheles: Dec 2, 2009

Zoness posted:

sword of the meek isn't infinite without kcw and w/ kcw it's a 3 card combo

Ah. Forgot it needed a third card, haven't seen it played in years. Yeah it should probably be unbanned.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:26

Zoness: Jul 24, 2011; Talk to the hand.; Grimey Drawer

mr. mephistopheles posted:

Ah. Forgot it needed a third card, haven't seen it played in years. Yeah it should probably be unbanned.

i mean thoptersword never ran kcw cuz it shat on aggro w/out going infinite

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:27

Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

mcmagic posted:

U act like there is a better time to drive on the parkway than on sunday lol.

I would rather sleep on a sunday. :colbert:

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:28

Angry Grimace: Jul 29, 2010; ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

I think the reason WOTC keeps Sword of the Meek banned is because Thopter Foundry and Sword of the Meek are both 2 mana cards and they consider it to be simply degenerate to start making progressively larger armies of tokens every turn.

# ? Apr 6, 2015 20:29