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Excels posted:there are 2 umineko fighting games, if you think the designs are cool but don't care about the crazy complex plot, i highly recommend it Umineko's plot isn't really complex, it's just bad.
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TurnipFritter posted:Umineko's plot isn't really complex, it's just bad. so i assume you read all 8 novels
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ImpAtom posted:I too want Macross 7: SMT Edition. Lucifer! YHWH! Cycle of death and rebirth! LISTEN TO MY SONG!
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Apr 6, 2015 18:13
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TurnipFritter posted:Umineko's plot isn't really complex, it's just bad. I wouldn't call it bad, but the author's insistence in later installments of the novel to create lots of scenes that only seem to exist to call out the reader for being a loving idiot are kind of hosed.
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Apr 6, 2015 18:14
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scenes like that are why umineko owns
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Apr 6, 2015 18:18
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nGWEb5QxGA
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Apr 6, 2015 18:22
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Umineko is good when it's posing it's questions, despite Ryukishi's tendency to really drive in his themes (I'm looking at you, Jessica and George romance subplot and Maria and Rosa) but kinda fumbles a bit when it actually has to answer those questions.
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Apr 6, 2015 18:28
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17 hours into P3P and finally did something in a dungeon that isn't kill more guys (the hotel mirror thing). Do more interesting dungeon puzzle-y things start happening now or is that an anomaly?
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Beef Waifu posted:I excited for SMtxFE because I've been waiting for an idol game where you use your musical prowess to fight demons from hell. Ever heard of Devil Survivor?
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Apr 6, 2015 22:57
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TurnipFritter posted:Umineko's plot isn't really complex, it's just bad. Prepare to die, bitch.
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Unmature posted:17 hours into P3P and finally did something in a dungeon that isn't kill more guys (the hotel mirror thing). Do more interesting dungeon puzzle-y things start happening now or is that an anomaly? Most of the full moon shadows don't really have a dungeon worth speaking of. 95% of the dungeon-crawling you do is gonna be in Tartarus, and that's mostly going to be more of what you've seen already but with stronger enemies. I don't think anyone is going to defend dungeon design as P3P's strong point.
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Unmature posted:17 hours into P3P and finally did something in a dungeon that isn't kill more guys (the hotel mirror thing). Do more interesting dungeon puzzle-y things start happening now or is that an anomaly? I hope you savored that
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Apr 7, 2015 00:39
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Umineko is great minus episode 8 and the fighting games are dumb but okay mechanically. Great music though.
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Apr 7, 2015 06:54
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laplace posted:Umineko is great minus episode 8 and the fighting games are dumb but okay mechanically. Great music though.  this si the most accurate way to summarize Seacats
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Unmature posted:17 hours into P3P and finally did something in a dungeon that isn't kill more guys (the hotel mirror thing). Do more interesting dungeon puzzle-y things start happening now or is that an anomaly? If you want good dungeons play Nocturne or Strange Journey, you're not getting them in 3 or 4.
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Apr 7, 2015 16:04
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Persona 4 tries gimmicky puzzle stuff but they are real bad and will make you wish for normal dungeons.
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Apr 7, 2015 16:14
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"Real bad" is a bit strong, they're not involved at all. They're dirt simple and the game barely does it. I'm honestly shocked to hear anyone finds them even annoying.
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Apr 7, 2015 16:18
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The only dungeon gimmicks in 4 that I didn't like were the ones in (funnily enough) Void Quest. Teleporter mazes are never fun and the one where the camera spins around was really dumb.
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Yeah they are only like a floor each, but the camera spinning one gives me mad headaches every time. I'm pretty glad there aren't many in Persona though. I suck super hard at puzzles and I'm still stuck in that goddamn fire dungeon in PQ.
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Apr 7, 2015 16:31
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Chexoid posted:Yeah they are only like a floor each, but the camera spinning one gives me mad headaches every time. The fire went out.... 
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Apr 7, 2015 19:07
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Volt Catfish posted:The fire went out.... When Kanji says it he sounds immensely bored. Much like I was going through that segment of the game.
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Apr 7, 2015 20:18
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Color Printer posted:The only dungeon gimmicks in 4 that I didn't like were the ones in (funnily enough) Void Quest. Teleporter mazes are never fun and the one where the camera spins around was really dumb. I'll still take that over all the pit traps in P1 and P2.
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Apr 7, 2015 21:45
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Chexoid posted:Persona 4 tries gimmicky puzzle stuff Were these added for Golden? Because the vanilla dungeons are just blatant reskins of each other's generic Tartarus continuation in randomised blandness.
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Apr 7, 2015 21:55
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Dragonatrix posted:Were these added for Golden? Because the vanilla dungeons are just blatant reskins of each other's generic Tartarus continuation in randomised blandness. I think he's referring to Void Quest's "puzzles". And maybe the Lab.
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Apr 7, 2015 21:58
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Yes the great Persona 4 dungeon puzzles of backtracking a couple of floors to open a previously locked door, fighting a boss, and getting an item that opened a locked door on the current floor. I like Persona 4 but the dungeons were not one of the reasons why. The music was a big reason why I like Persona 4
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Apr 7, 2015 22:01
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RPG dungeons are all bad there I said it.
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Apr 8, 2015 14:03
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Radish posted:RPG dungeons are all bad there I said it.
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Radish posted:RPG dungeons are all bad there I said it.
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Apr 8, 2015 14:15
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I'm playing Brandish at the moment and I like its dungeons.
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Apr 8, 2015 14:29
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Dungeons are cool.
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Apr 8, 2015 14:47
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ThePhenomenalBaby posted:Dungeons are cool.
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Endorph posted:etrian odyssey Also if only because drawing your own map is so much fun.
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Apr 8, 2015 15:03
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For sorta rhyming with "fun", dungeons sure usually aren't.
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Apr 8, 2015 15:05
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How dare you impugn P3's dungeon design which has such memorable features as The Stairs and The Circular Hallway. It's rude is what it is.
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Apr 8, 2015 15:29
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Now I'm remembering Camp Ichigaya from SMT IV and its love of one-way doors, which is probably right up there with teleport mazes as The Worst Dungeon Gimmicks.
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Apr 8, 2015 15:34
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Tartarus was cool when a floor started with the stairs like, right there in front of you. That was nice.
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Apr 8, 2015 15:37
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One way doors, teleporter mazes and random conveyor belts all suck and are terrible facets of dungeon design and I hate them all and Strange Journey is no fun to play because of these. Also those dark zones in Strange Journey are terrible too.
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ChaosArgate posted:One way doors, teleporter mazes and random conveyor belts all suck and are terrible facets of dungeon design and I hate them all and Strange Journey is no fun to play because of these. Also those dark zones in Strange Journey are terrible too. Strange Journey dungeons aren't that good.
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Apr 8, 2015 15:45
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Actually they're good unless you're too much of a stubborn baby to spend 5 whole minutes writing down what goes where
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I like Tartarus because I never feel the urge to read a walkthrough to know where I'm going. Being able to save anywhere in SMT4 also works.
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