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I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Anidav posted:

Shitposting Day.

We can't have holidays 365 days a year that would destroy the economy.

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Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Jumpingmanjim posted:

We can't have holidays 365 days a year that would destroy the economy.

Every day is Negative Gearing Day!

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Soccilist Alldance

kingcom
Jun 23, 2012


Tell me more about this Socialist All Dance.

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

kingcom posted:

Tell me more about this Socialist All Dance.
sounds like fun to be honest

hiddenmovement
Sep 29, 2011

"Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."
I really don't see the problem with a business charging a little extra on penalty rate days or just flat out not opening. As long as they are fairly compensating their workers for giving up a national day of rest and recreation, that's fine.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Dancing with the Red Stars, tonight on Channel 7

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

It's just idiot small business owners being sold a grievance and exploited by big businesses that are smart enough not to damage their own reputation. While I don't think the banks are singularly behind it it'll be them, healthcare companies, cleaning companies, aged care providers, larger retail operators, etc that will benefit from it. Cafes and pubs and other small businesses are going to struggle just as much as they do now without penalty rates.

open24hours fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Apr 7, 2015

CrazyTolradi
Oct 2, 2011

It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

bowmore posted:

I added my voice but I went for "voice of reason" over anger.

This is pretty much my take on it too, if you can't afford to pay penalties your business is already struggling and removing those penalties is only going to keep the business afloat for so much longer.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


hiddenmovement posted:

I really don't see the problem with a business charging a little extra on penalty rate days or just flat out not opening. As long as they are fairly compensating their workers for giving up a national day of rest and recreation, that's fine.

Yeah, either action is fine if that's what works for them and they just pick one and get on with it. But putting up that lovely sign, or blaming the workers for being "greedy" or "entitled" cause they don't want to get paid the same for working shittier hours, that's a major dick move.

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

CrazyTolradi posted:

This is pretty much my take on it too, if you can't afford to pay penalties your business is already struggling and removing those penalties is only going to keep the business afloat for so much longer.
Yep! Business owners are stressed and not all of them are highly intelligent so they look for the easiest scapegoat the lot of the time i.e. their own employees and the money they have to pay them

these people don't deserve to have a business or employees in my opinion.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Most public holidays are usually family-related days anyway. Like most people, I went to visit family over the long weekend and didnt need to go to cafe or restaurant at all, as we ate at home.

So the demand for these businesses to be open is already lower than normal anyway, its no wonder they cant break even by being open. The popular shops will have the clientele to open for, and the less popular shops can stay shut and save themselves the effort and enjoy the day off.

I have literally no business experience and I can figure this out.

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



bowmore posted:

these people don't deserve to have a business or employees in my opinion.

You'd do well as a Small Business Credit Assessor.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Amoeba102 posted:

It's what the States officially recognise as public holidays. WA may have stopped recognising it in the last couple of years, but they didn't last time I checked which was in December.

Well now that you say last couple of years, I left Coles on '09, and now I feel old.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Anidav posted:

As if Dominos needs to apply a loving surcharge. They're not a small time pub they're a multinational cheap pizza brand.

I have absolutely no issue with paying a surcharge on public holidays. If it's done in an overly aggressive and over the top way (such as the signs the Bombay Bicycle Club in Adelaide put up last year saying they would have to double all their prices) then yeah, gently caress them. If it is however done in a straightforward "hey, to make it worth opening on this day we have to charge a little bit more" way like Dominoes does then I'm happy to pay.

Plus lots of those chain places are franchisees that already get screwed over by the head office.

Amoeba102 posted:

Easter Saturday is a public holiday, except for WA and SA.

This year in SA there were public holidays on Good Friday, Easter Saturday, and Easter Monday. The Sunday wasn't a public holiday, but shopping centres were closed.

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

They must have changed it since December. Did SA have it last year?

And apparently only NSW has a public holiday for Sunday.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Amoeba102 posted:

They must have changed it since December. Did SA have it last year?

And apparently only NSW has a public holiday for Sunday.

From what we were told at work (so don't hold it as gospel) this was the first year that SA had Easter Saturday as a public holiday.

Also, the Bombay Bicycle Club example of how not to do public holiday surcharges:

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Senor Tron posted:

From what we were told at work (so don't hold it as gospel) this was the first year that SA had Easter Saturday as a public holiday.

Also, the Bombay Bicycle Club example of how not to do public holiday surcharges:



Why would you name your restaurant after an Indie band from England?

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Jumpingmanjim posted:

Why would you name your restaurant after an Indie band from England?

The pub predates the band by a few years, wouldn't be surprised if the name copying was the other way around.

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

They don't make a profit, are squatting on their property and steal all their produce. So their labour costs are directly proportional to their menu prices.

hiddenmovement
Sep 29, 2011

"Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."
Can't the reason that most restaurants and pubs struggle be put down to the overwhelming competition (or in the case of suburban pubs, excessively restrictive liquor liscencing laws)? It seems super idiotic to me to blame high wages when you've opted to enter a massively oversaturated industry with high start up costs.

Lizard Combatant
Sep 29, 2010

I have some notes.
Some one post the resulting seek ad for a PR job at that pub.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

quote:

Divide what you currently get per hour by 2.75

Wouldn't that work against their argument? Shouldn't they want you to multiply what you, someone presumably not in hospitality is making so that it comes to a Big Number™?

Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:

Senor Tron posted:

From what we were told at work (so don't hold it as gospel) this was the first year that SA had Easter Saturday as a public holiday.

Also, the Bombay Bicycle Club example of how not to do public holiday surcharges:



In place of that sign these days is a sign saying "Thank you for visiting. Your money paid for the following:" and just has a big list of business expenses, including things like wages and superannuation.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

hiddenmovement posted:

Can't the reason that most restaurants and pubs struggle be put down to the overwhelming competition (or in the case of suburban pubs, excessively restrictive liquor liscencing laws)? It seems super idiotic to me to blame high wages when you've opted to enter a massively oversaturated industry with high start up costs.

I don't know about other cities but in Canberra high rents are a problem. A few years ago I was wondering what it would take to open a small pub (not that I had any real intention of actually going through with it), and the rents would have meant $10 beers or a shitload more customers than I'd like. No wonder they all rely on pokies.

Graic Gabtar
Dec 19, 2014

squat my posts

Senor Tron posted:

Also, the Bombay Bicycle Club example of how not to do public holiday surcharges:

I dunno, that looks like a very effective way to explain the message to your customers.

Jonah Galtberg
Feb 11, 2009

Graic Gabtar posted:

I dunno, that looks like a very effective way to explain the message to your customers.

Correct, it was more than effective enough at communicating the fact that the owners are human garbage

Mattjpwns
Dec 14, 2006

In joyful strains then let us sing
ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FUCKED
iiNet just lost #iidallas and they (and Dodo) will be compelled to hand over the names and addresses of 4726 customers. Judge will have oversight over the letters sent to these individuals with the stated intent of preventing "speculative invoicing" (basically where the rights holders go "we'll sue you unless you pay cash moneys now"), but this sets a very interesting precedent.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Graic Gabtar posted:

I dunno, that looks like a very effective way to explain the message to your customers.

How many places do you know where labor accounts for 100% of the costs?

Lizard Combatant
Sep 29, 2010

I have some notes.
Read the avatar

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Vladimir Poutine posted:

In place of that sign these days is a sign saying "Thank you for visiting. Your money paid for the following:" and just has a big list of business expenses, including things like wages and superannuation.

And I bet that it finishes off with 100% of your money being put to everything but profits too.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
At its meeting today, the Board decided to leave the cash rate unchanged at 2.25 per cent.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

quote:

Mining companies, banks, media organisations and security firms are among a raft of sponsors behind almost $475,000 in donations to the Queensland Police Service last financial year.

The amount of donations for this financial year are on track to reach the same level.

The ABC first asked for a list of sponsors and the sponsorship amounts four months ago, after environmentalists alleged it was a conflict of interest.

The fact that the police refused to name the sponsors, indicates that the police hierarchy know they have a vulnerability.


Graic Gabtar
Dec 19, 2014

squat my posts

Senor Tron posted:

How many places do you know where labor accounts for 100% of the costs?
I didn't say it was 100% correct. I said it was effective. There is obviously a difference between a financial statement and propaganda.

Graic Gabtar
Dec 19, 2014

squat my posts

Jumpingmanjim posted:

At its meeting today, the Board decided to leave the cash rate unchanged at 2.25 per cent.

No shock this close the budget.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Anidav posted:

Private Policing

You mean to tell me that organisations with a massive interest in maintaining the status quo are paying to ensure it remains? I'm shocked.

fiery_valkyrie
Mar 26, 2003

I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.

Tarantula posted:

Hey guys I need a little advice, last week I had my wisdom teeth taken out I took the week off and told my boss all seemed well. When I brushed my teeth today I must have cut or damaged the blood clot or something and i've been spitting and crap all morning, I rang my boss on the only contact number I had (I was never given his work number or anything), then i get a call back and i'm told I have to have a meeting with HR tomorrow when I come in for possibly "abandoning work" or something like that, it seems like a bunch of crap to me because I thought I was doing the right thing by not turning up at work with a bloody mouth and contacting my boss with the only number i have. They also told me that if I will probably not be getting an extension on my contract. Did I actually do anything wrong?

I'm pretty sure that they can't fire you for job abandonment for taking one day off with a medical certificate and advising your boss (but IANAL).

I know in our company we have terminated people before for job abandonment but those have been in circumstances where the employee has failed to show up for work for weeks, wont answer the phone when we call and wont return our messages. After a couple of weeks we just send them a letter telling them that we have terminated their employment for job abandonment.

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hiddenmovement
Sep 29, 2011

"Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."

fiery_valkyrie posted:

I know in our company we have terminated people before for job abandonment but those have been in circumstances where the employee has failed to show up for work for weeks, wont answer the phone when we call and wont return our messages. After a couple of weeks we just send them a letter telling them that we have terminated their employment for job abandonment.

Isn't this called quitting?

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