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raditts posted:Where did the whole "aversion to magic" thing come about in general Christian ideology, anyway? I don't think I've ever read the Bible in its entirety, but I've read at least a good 75% or so of it over the years and I've never seen anything really suggesting "MAGIC = EVIL" aside from I guess bad guys using magic. A lot of the Old Testament was written in the context of henotheism, AKA there are a lot of gods around but you're not allowed to worship any of them but Jehovah otherwise he's going to go all abusive husband on you. Early Israelite religion seems to have operated like that and only later changed to pure monotheism. Magic would presumably be granted by one of the competing gods
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Random Stranger posted:You weren't paying attention. That line about "not suffering a witch to live" is from Exodus. And in Deuteronomy there's this : "Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead." Of course, the Old Testament also contains a lot of rules that aren't followed and modern Christianity likes to pick and choose which ones they get to use. Well then. quote:Biblically, magic is a real thing that pops up all the time in the narrative. The Witch of Endor is the best known one because she summons the ghost of a dead prophet to come back and tell one of the kings what's up (Christians have to do some real flexing to fit that in with their concept of the afterlife). To be fair, different sects of Christianity can't seem to agree on what the afterlife is like. A lot of people seem to subscribe to the "you go straight to heaven/hell when you die" concept but growing up as an SDA we'd always taken the "dead are sleeping" bit to mean that when you die you stay dead until the end times where everyone gets yanked up at the same time (barring the odd resurrection, of course).
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Mordiceius posted:I will also pop in to say that this book super owns and Reza Aslan is a cool dude. For posterity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt1cOnNrY5s
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:JC Superstar is mad cornball but is a great watch. Pasolini has already been mentioned. I'm late on this but there's also Rossellini's The Flowers of St Francis which is one of my favorite movies ever.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/30xelu/i_am_the_real_hercules_and_the_first_captain/ Kevin Sorbo is doing an AMA and is not getting the kinds of questions I suspect he'd like.
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If I was on Reddit I'd tell him how much I enjoyed that video we watched in health class that he had a cameo in. In it he declared that he was "Hercules, DAMNIT!", and then made some vague threat about coming to my house if I did drugs. 10 years later I still haven't done any drugs so I'd say he was successful. I haven't really liked his career since then though.
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I do drugs all the time and Sorbo has never visited me.  Yet another lie I was told by DARE. (The worst one was that smoking just a little bit of weed would give me visuals. The worst disappointment of my teenage years.)
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Is Don't Blink some sort of Christian movie? I just finished watching it and from the beginning it totally looked like some sort of rapture movie, but the ending was open. There were so many unanswered questions. E: potential spoiler. ToeShoes fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Cognac McCarthy posted:http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/30xelu/i_am_the_real_hercules_and_the_first_captain/ I always just feel bad for the celebrities when this happens
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Hat Thoughts posted:I always just feel bad for the celebrities when this happens I find it quite cathartic. Like a play by Sophocles about someone being undone by their own hubris. Not coincidentally the word "cathartic" is Greek in origin. Also "hubris." Also most derivations of the New Testament.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:JC Superstar is mad cornball but is a great watch. Pasolini has already been mentioned. Watching Jesus Christ Superstar on Good Friday was a family tradition growing up. Just finished watching it tonight and I still love it. All those loving shirtless vests  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvVr2uks0C8
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Gils posted:Watching Jesus Christ Superstar on Good Friday was a family tradition growing up. Just finished watching it tonight and I still love it. All those loving shirtless vests
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Casimir Radon posted:Hippies
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Last night, several friends and I went to an Easter musical thing. It was very well-done, and the worst thing I can say it that it was fairly boring. During many of the performances, they showed silent clips from whatever the LDS Church's film about Jesus is called. I thought that was pretty interesting. Both the film and the musical fell into the trap of making Judas look like a creep, though. There was no portrayal of Christ in the musical, which I thought was an interesting choice. The film was used to fill in the blanks, and that Jesus wore a lot of bright white clothing. After, we realized that most of us had spent the time wishing we were watching Jesus Christ: Superstar.
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I'll just leave this here https://youtu.be/KQWUEJh-SVk
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Schizotek posted:e: Did anybody growing up in a fundie household ever have to watch that movie about the Crossposting from D&D Politoons thread. I'm trying to track this movie down but google is failing me pretty hard. I saw it as a teenager at my old horrid Southern Baptist church sometime between 2004 and 2008 I think. Dude end's up getting revived successfully but the demon follows him from hell as a shadow that... doesn't really do anything but he goes to a church where a pastor sends the demon back to hell and the doctor converts. Production qualities somewhere between middle school project and early Sci-Fi channel original. e: Found it. The part from here to 1h10m is the real meat and potatoes of the film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9AqvfrkhyA&t=3547s Schizotek fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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I am a little more than halfway through God's Not Dead and I didn't think this movie would actually make me mad. It's actually making me angry. It's the wrongest movie to ever be wrong.
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Croisquessein posted:I love how the poster seems to be illustrating the undeniable ancestral link between humans and apes, and that's apparently the opposite of what they meant. Because they think they do know all about it because of what they've been told by religious twits that don't know anything about it. It's really common. They want to believe in God and creation and all that jazz so some quack like Hovind or Ham pop up and write a bunch of bullshit papers/reports on why some idea that conflicts is wrong (see the creation museum for 'facts') and these dolts eat it up because god is real and science must be wrong because God and their specific religion can't be wrong. ChickenMedium posted:That will never happen because the people making these movies don't give a poo poo. They are in it to make a buck, and making the movies good would cut into their profit margins. Plus, the people who are buying the tickets don't want "good" they want "reinforces my own beliefs" with a side of "sticking it to Hollywood/liberals/atheists." This is all you need to know when it comes to evangical movies.
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Mister Mind posted:And now Answers In Genesis is coming out with their own Strawman Atheist Professor movie, starring Harry Anderson. The teacher comes across as perfectly reasonable and the Christians comes across a petty assholes though.
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Has any creationist ever expressed understanding of the difference between abiogenesis and evolution?
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Robotnik Nudes posted:I'll just leave this here I watched this last night and it changed my life.
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Star Man posted:I am a little more than halfway through God's Not Dead and I didn't think this movie would actually make me mad. It's actually making me angry. It's the wrongest movie to ever be wrong. I think by the movie's logic, that makes God's Not Dead a true story. (The big winning argument in the movie is "How can you hate something that doesn't exist?", completely missing the fundamental concept of fiction.)
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Random Stranger posted:I think by the movie's logic, that makes God's Not Dead a true story. The one that really got me was the kid saying you can ask how the universe was created but not how God was created because...well he never actually says why. But I think the thing I hated the most was Kevin Sorbo's character. He's a caricature of an atheist that only is one because he's mad at God and he converts on his deathbed. But the worst part is how he's such a flippant atheist that he tries to force his class to adopt his worldview on a freshman class or else they fail. That's some fuckin bullshit.
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Per synopsis and youtube clips of God's Not Dead, I have concluded that the film is bad in part because there are no real stakes. I'm going to reference my earlier post on types of death; thread newcomers can see the posts by clicking the ? under my avatar. First type of death: actual death. Never on the table. Second type of death: social death, eg, public humiliation, being cast out from society, etc. The fact that once the protagonist trounces his erratic hysterical atheist professor in a debate everyone stands and claps shows that everyone was on the main character's side the whole time (it appears that throughout the film we also see that nobody likes the prof; they all think he's an rear end in a top hat.) Even if the main character lost the debate, failed the class, whatever, everyone would have still admired him and thought he was brave or some bullshit. Third type of death: spiritual death, losing one's faith or becoming a broken person - again, never on the table. Though I haven't seen the movie, cursory research shows that the main character never wavers in his faith. The threat of failing a college course is not enough to make him consider atheism. Which is great because half of my college chums failed at least one class and that didn't turn any of them into shambling wrecks (at least, not any more of a shambling wreck then some of them already were  )So yeah in essence the story is about a bright, untroubled young man, supported by his community and self-confident, driving some pathetic crazy person into a nervous breakdown and then the pathetic crazy person dies, but not before conceding that the main character was totally awesome and right about everything. Yep, that reminds me of that really great story I like. It's about the guy who succeeds at everything, then he does a good job. The end.
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Cognac McCarthy posted:Has any creationist ever expressed understanding of the difference between abiogenesis and evolution? They're generally known as Catholics.
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Personally, I really hope they make that movie version of Reza Aslan's Zealot. The reaction alone would be worth it.
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Cognac McCarthy posted:Has any creationist ever expressed understanding of the difference between abiogenesis and evolution? computer parts posted:They're generally known as Catholics. For some reason this reminded me of Catholic Sunday school, and the closest thing we ever saw to a "Christian film" was Leap of Faith with Steve Martin and Debra Winger. And one time the discussion leader (I really can't even call them "teachers", it was a pretty informal group talk format) showed us the scene from Amadeus where Salieri reveals that his envy for Mozart's talent ran so deep that he cursed God for wasting it on such a foppish idiot, threw his crucifix in a fire and said "now you and I are enemies". Yeah, papists are pretty much in league with Satan.
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Random Stranger posted:I think by the movie's logic, that makes God's Not Dead a true story. God's Not Dead is based on actual events except in the movie the atheist professor is slapped by a car instead of a heroic Marine.
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I'm here to recommend a good Christian film streaming on Netflix: Something, Anything
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Alhazred posted:The teacher comes across as perfectly reasonable and the Christians comes across a petty assholes though. The best part of this trailer is the cut to two student athletes; 'She's one of the cutest freshmen we've seen!' I hope there is a significant subplot as to how her attractiveness raises the stakes for her dad bickering with her professor
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K. Waste posted:I'm here to recommend a good Christian film streaming on Netflix: Something, Anything Bruce Almighty is actually a really good religious film that also isn't up its rear end about the message. I dunno if it's on Netflix though.
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K. Waste posted:I'm here to recommend a good Christian film streaming on Netflix: Something, Anything I've said it before and I'll say it again: Saved! is one of my favorite films with a religious theme/setting/message
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If we're back to talking about good Christian or Christian themed films, I've always felt that Don Bluth's 80's output* is mostly pretty good about advocating values without being too in-your-face about it. Namely, there's the importance of honesty and virtue in the face of blind ambition in The Secret of NIMH, the importance of community and kindness to strangers in An American Tail, the allusion of the soul's journey to Heaven/the Promised Land in The Land Before Time, and the salvation of the wicked through love/grace in All Dogs Go to Heaven... and pretty much all of them emphasize the power and importance of faith when times get tough (and Mr. Bluth, if you recall, was not afraid to show times getting very tough...) It might not count, since as I said, none of these are explicitly Christian, but they certainly had an effect on my spiritual development growing up, so I say they count. So there, I guess. *Well, the movies, at least; if there are any overtly Christian messages in Space Ace or the Dragon's Lair series, I missed them.
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Do Tyler Perry's movies get positive feedback from evangelicals? The messages in his film reflect a standard conservative Christian morality, and his characters fit into distinct "GOOD" and "EVIL" categories. But, his films nonetheless tend to look good and are much better constructed as movies than most of the poo poo listed in here. I grew up with evangelicals and know a lot of conservative Christians on Facebook, but I never see them talking about Perry. I have a suspicion that it's about race (duh), but still. It seems odd that white Christians haven't boarded the Perry-train.
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Tyler Perry flies with evangelicals yes. Some of them. You'll always find some one or some group who is striving real hard towards that weird perversion of asceticism you see in a lot of christian groups. For everyone else, Tyler Perry has a captive audience of people who literally fear for their souls if they watch something less than wholesome.
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Basically, you can make a comfortable living for yourself making Christian-targeted films that look better than a high school AV club production, feature passable acting, and don't challenge your audience's worldview very much.
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Alhazred posted:The teacher comes across as perfectly reasonable and the Christians comes across a petty assholes though. Can you imagine such a thing?
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Xibanya posted:Per synopsis and youtube clips of God's Not Dead, I have concluded that the film is bad in part because there are no real stakes. The protagonist does actually face a flaw and overcomes it: Josh has a girlfriend, Kara, who's got their lives all planned out, and at the start of the film he is content to go along with what she wants. (This is a flaw because obeying God's Will For Your LifeTM is everyone's proper purpose in evangelical Christianity - when your loved ones' desires and God's WillTM conflict, you have to go with GWFYLTM. Also a relationship where the woman is in a position of authority over the man contradicts the doctrine of male headship - see Ephesians 5:23 and 1 Corinthians 11:3.) When Raddison introduces his class requirement, Josh recognizes that God wants him to reject atheism and witness to the class, but that putting his grade on the line interferes with Kara's plans for him - he has to choose between GWFYLTM and Kara's. Josh delays that choice by preparing for the debate behind Kara's back, but when she catches and confronts him with her ultimatum, he ends up making the right decision and breaks up with her instead of disobeying God. e: Also, Josh doesn't necessarily know that everyone will follow him in accepting God - yes, the students don't like Raddison's bullying behavior, but they go along with their professor's wishes because they are afraid of the consequences he can inflict on them (i.e. a bad grade and the "social death" that comes with being labeled an idiot.) When Josh defeats Raddison in the debate, he breaks Raddison's power over the students and they are free to openly embrace God. Pththya-lyi fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Apr 10, 2015 |
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But were any of the three varieties of death ever on the table for the protagonist?
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Yes, spiritual death - if he rejects God's call to righteousness, Josh will have to live with his cowardice for the rest of his mortal life. If he succumbs to Raddison's atheism and does not repent before his death, he may even earn eternal torment in Hell! (The Book of Revelation repeatedly refers to that fate as "the second death.")
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