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Obviously it should be called Awful2. 
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Awful does not need to be some web3.0 wankfest. It just needs to not be as useless as using the site in Safari.
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Apr 7, 2015 05:43
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NyetscapeNavigator posted:Awful does not need to be some web3.0 wankfest. It just needs to not be as useless as using the site in Safari.
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Apr 7, 2015 06:12
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I don't know, the quality of conversation might improve around here if some google ai routine is writing all the posts. 
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Apr 7, 2015 06:18
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The only thing I'd change about Awful would be Safari style UI hiding while you scroll and search. If it was just me this was for I'd go all the way and turn it into something like Unread, which is a feed reader that hides everything but feed content, but that's me.
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Apr 7, 2015 06:26
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That design takes up way too much space for avatars and usernames. I know people like things looking nice, but that's straight up a waste of vertical space.
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Apr 7, 2015 06:43
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pokeyman posted:Do you have straight-on fullscreen mocks instead of these angled far-away things? I can't really comment on them because I can't see them. Sure do! I'll post a link to my dropbox once I'm at my office. Edit: here's the initial psd+jpg file, will add more stuff later tonight https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2bk90b2otl4s1e1/AABb_pPUEn_DCpVT03Zkfqipa?dl=0 awesome-express fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Apr 7, 2015 |
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Apr 7, 2015 08:58
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awesome-express posted:Sure do! I'll post a link to my dropbox once I'm at my office. My main question for these is: How do I know when I'm at the end of a thread, or at the end of a page? That's something we've struggled with a lot in Awful, with no satisfactory resolution so far.
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Apr 7, 2015 12:57
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I think the real question is how is the Watch app going?
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Apr 7, 2015 15:08
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Drastic Actions posted:
Are you actually working on some secret new awful? Only because working with pokeyman on whatever code base is probably waaayyyyyy more beneficial then this lone wolf stuff.
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Apr 7, 2015 15:18
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pokeyman posted:This is what's pushing me towards a rewrite. And to be fair, the technical debt is 98% my doing, I've made some pretty dumb decisions because "it's a free app that is critical to nobody's mission, so who cares what breaks" is too often my first thought. But if we're going to seriously look at some new design, I don't want to untangle Awful to make it happen, and if it scares you off too then that's another good reason to look seriously at a rewrite. I like Awful.app visually as it is.  Please don't look to Alien Blue for inspiration, its ugly. I like the cold, functional feel of Awful. It does the job well as is. The bars disappearing ala Safari while scrolling would be nice, but otherwise its good.
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Apr 7, 2015 15:29
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How feasible is it to pull the scraping/pseudo-API stuff out into its own library? That would give me less reason to put off my React Native experiment.
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Apr 7, 2015 15:33
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Snuffman posted:Please don't look to Alien Blue for inspiration, its ugly. It's also a lot of crazy ideas that are super progressive and experimental that make the app really clumsy to use. Experimenting with UI design is fine and all, but you can't throw away everything familiar without really good justification. I like Awful because it works like the forum and fits in well with the iOS ecosystem. There's no surprises which I guess might not be super exciting to program for but in terms of usability it's about as good as it gets.
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Apr 7, 2015 15:36
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The Dave posted:Are you actually working on some secret new awful? Only because working with pokeyman on whatever code base is probably waaayyyyyy more beneficial then this lone wolf stuff. Kinda. I have a .NET forums library that I'm working on, and I want to see it running on every platform I can. That's why I made that SAclopedia app awhile back (which I'm also kinda rewriting, this time with a native UI). The biggest issue with an iOS Awful Forums Reader at the moment is setting up the UI and handling the web views, since that stuff is actually specific to the platform. The rest is handled by my library. It's built on C#, with a PCL underbelly so I can share as much code as I can across platforms. The new Webviews I'm working on are going to be templates on top of Bootstrap, so it can be used across tablets and phones.  Note that it looks like poo poo at the moment and needs a lot of work. The iOS and potentially Android versions are build with Xamarin, and again, it's in C#. So there's nothing you can really use from it. Unless you guys really want to start writing C#, in which case I'm glad to help  .
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Apr 7, 2015 16:01
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I have a lot of pretty tame ideas I'd love to mock up: - New action sheets AGAIN! Wondering if it should just be a giant non-default select that takes over the whole view, ala options in spotify - Bookmark colors are ugly, a design was made to solve this, it's been awhile since I've even seen it. - Having a 0 when no new posts has started to bother me, I think it should just be like a bullet dot or nothing at all. - All of the formatting options shouldn't live within the thread. They are global options so they should be in the global settings. - Replies appearing like iOS8 mail compositions, being able to swipe them down to hide them and reference the thread, then swipe it up to add more. I had a meeting in the middle of writing this so I might have missed some things.
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Apr 7, 2015 16:05
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The Dave posted:- All of the formatting options shouldn't live within the thread. They are global options so they should be in the global settings. Font scale is in-thread so you can see the effect of a change without annoying settings<->forum switching until you get it right. Could put sample text in the settings pane to that effect as well I guess.
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Apr 7, 2015 16:08
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Ahh yes that reasoning makes sense and I think your solution could fix that.
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Apr 7, 2015 16:18
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pokeyman posted:My main question for these is: How do I know when I'm at the end of a thread, or at the end of a page? That's something we've struggled with a lot in Awful, with no satisfactory resolution so far. There's a couple of ways to approach that. IMO the best is to show some sort of visual hint that the page is over. See the SA grenade at the bottom? It would be a cool effect to animate it to explode when you pull to refresh/goto next page.  You can also collate page-related actions into a primary action button like so: http://www.burjanec.com/awful/ (web animation, loops) Oh and here are some alt designs:   And here are all three designs in a device shell    quote:I think the real question is how is the Watch app going? I've designed a bunch for some big companies, it would actually be fun to make one for SA
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Apr 7, 2015 16:48
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What's the T... in the bottom of the formatting menu?
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Apr 7, 2015 18:21
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There's so much wasted space in those mockups. While that might work for something like a sports score app, something that's supremely text heavy like SA should consume space with content. In other words, I shouldn't tire out my thumb long from scrolling just to get through one page of posts, which seem like it might happen with those mockups.
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Apr 7, 2015 18:26
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SA feels like one of the great last refuges from the idea of style over functionality. awesome-express, your mock looks nice, but there's just so much wasted space at the top of every post. One of the failings of the desktop version of the site is a large avatar/username/subtitle for a one-line comment (like the post two above this one - no fault to baram but look at how much dead space there is) that just spreads the pages out needlessly. The current awful app (the android one does this too, to be fair) condenses that information intelligently. The whole idea of prettifying something and putting that above a dense delivery of information is pervasive enough in my apps and websites, let's try and collective attempt to keep it away from SA and the app, yeah?
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Apr 7, 2015 18:27
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That feels very androidy/material designy. Don't crop avs into circles just because everyone else has a boner for round avatars.
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Apr 7, 2015 18:27
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Subjunctive posted:How feasible is it to pull the scraping/pseudo-API stuff out into its own library? That would give me less reason to put off my React Native experiment. It already "is", but I can't really recommend that anybody try to use it, because it's all ugly core data junk. But check out the Core target on the master branch. baram. posted:What's the T... in the bottom of the formatting menu? Themes. I've hosed up some constraints somewhere.
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Apr 7, 2015 22:02
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If I was redesigning posts view it might honestly look like more of a reskin than anything else. This is without much thought and playing the contrast game very dangerously:
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Apr 8, 2015 03:51
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While I think Awful could use a new coat of paint, I just want to say it's way more usable and better looking than the turd that is the Awful android app. I appreciate everyone that contributes to that project, but poo poo's ugly.
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Apr 8, 2015 04:03
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And action sheet idea that I 100% stole from dropbox:
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Apr 8, 2015 04:15
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That's about as far as I'd go to redesign it. The thread view layout is not really where the app needs attention at this point.
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Apr 8, 2015 04:33
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The app's design works well for what it does. It mimics the forums while adjusting for touch screen devices. Awesome-express design looks pretty but seems like it would be better suited for reddit or twitter. I like those tweaks you made The Dave but I don't think you need to change the post box color to grey; unless you think you need to distinguish more between the post box and the top/bottom button bars.
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Apr 8, 2015 04:43
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The only suggestion I'd have for thread view is to remove the joined date, move the post date under the name instead, and the post dots to the right of the username. You only start running into space issues at text size +140% or so, even in portrait mode, and it gives more screen real estate for the posts themselves.
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Apr 8, 2015 08:15
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That would actually be the old layout. I know the motivations I had for moving them were 1) wanting to get more forum data in the all (join date) and more importantly 2) al of those post actions are post-thread actions. Semantically, you shouldn't have quoting before you even ready the post. I do think the user actions menu can be more like a mini profile with larger avatar and avatar text. Maybe I'll mock that up tonight.
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Apr 8, 2015 12:10
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Oh also I went with grey because I modeled the colors after a desktop .css theme I made and enjoy, also didn't know if it would help be less harsh in low light. How a user actions menu could look, though using the username in the actual action labels is probably unrealistic.  EDIT: Also didn't put much thought into the icon sizing, did this when I got into work after all. The Dave fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Apr 8, 2015 15:21
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From another thread in which awful.app complaints were raised:A Wheezy Steampunk posted:when quoting posts, the text of the quote used to appear instantly, now it takes several seconds Also "jump to post within thread" from just-their-posts view. Probably all on the list, but for completeness etc.
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Apr 8, 2015 16:14
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It seems like I'm in the minority but I think the mock up awesome express posted is a much better design than the current implementation. I would love to see the app go that direction.
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Apr 8, 2015 16:29
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mike- posted:It seems like I'm in the minority but I think the mock up awesome express posted is a much better design than the current implementation. I would love to see the app go that direction. Yeah, I mostly agree. I don't like the round avatars, and I'd rather not ditch the blue for green, but otherwise I think it looks great.
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Apr 8, 2015 16:41
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The Dave posted:If I was redesigning posts view it might honestly look like more of a reskin than anything else. This is without much thought and playing the contrast game very dangerously: Maybe details, but in that it looks like the quoted text in the second post is farther from the post's header than is the text of the preceding post. I think you want the visual relationship to be the other way.
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Apr 8, 2015 16:49
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Yeah I guess the problem there is the left border is the same distance, but thinking about it I guess there's no need for that block quote to have top/bottom padding. I also didn't really mention that the bottom full circle would just be a stroked circle when not on the last page. Maybe even fill it by % of post read if you want to get wild (may not read well though).
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Apr 8, 2015 16:54
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I can't upload any images at all using the [img] option from the copy menu. Guessing this is an 8.3 issue as I just updated. Selecting [img] immediately crashed to springboard.
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Apr 8, 2015 22:48
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So is the Watch app ready? I need to access my forums while exercising.
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Apr 9, 2015 02:09
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awesome-express posted:There's a couple of ways to approach that. IMO the best is to show some sort of visual hint that the page is over. See the SA grenade at the bottom? It would be a cool effect to animate it to explode when you pull to refresh/goto next page. That's cool. The trick we've run into before is distinguishing between "end of page" and "end of thread". Or, put another way, whether pulling will refresh (because it's the last page) or advance to the next page. Though maybe that's not a useful distinction. Overall I think your designs are quite pleasing, and I'd love to try them out in the app and play with them. I should really bring back the ol' custom CSS stuff, it'd get us 90% of the way there. The Dave posted:And action sheet idea that I 100% stole from dropbox: I like this too. Subjunctive posted:From another thread in which awful.app complaints were raised Thanks! Always happy to have stuff repeated at me. I tend to fix things that bother me and quickly forget about things that bother everyone else. IllegallySober posted:I can't upload any images at all using the [img] option from the copy menu. Guessing this is an 8.3 issue as I just updated. Selecting [img] immediately crashed to springboard. Yep, I gotta take a good look at that stuff. It Is Broken. Jose Oquendo posted:So is the Watch app ready? I need to access my forums while exercising. I'm trying to picture some kind of exercise that's immobile enough to be looking at the forums, but in a setting where a phone or an iPad doesn't work. I'm failing.
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pokeyman posted:I'm trying to picture some kind of exercise that's immobile enough to be looking at the forums, but in a setting where a phone or an iPad doesn't work. I'm failing.
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