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metallicaeg
Nov 28, 2005

Evil Red Wings Owner Wario Lemieux Steals Stanley Cup

Necc0 posted:

So is the new meta pretty much 'gently caress thinking just buy the most expensive gun you can afford every round it doesn't matter' now? Maybe we're all being babies for complaining about Valve trying to do away with the save round?
Yes and yes

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Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT

mistermojo posted:

He calls himself an esports historian and I believe that's all you need to know not to listen to a word he says

...What would an esports historian even do?

real dilemma
Apr 12, 2007

metallicaeg posted:

Yes and yes

It's not really that simple; I've seen a few examples lately that I think add to the meta-thought process and spice up the "standard flow" of a typical CS game:

1. nV loses pistol round on CT cache, full buys pistols in round 2. Loses again but kills all but 1 player on the opposing team; decides to full buy pistols again on round 3. Loses again and full ecos round 4. Interesting deviation from the standard "lose 1, full buy one, full save one" meta
2. NiP wins pistol on T-side inferno, buys 5 SMGs round 2. Clean sweep with the SMGs on round 2, they don't lose a single player. Their opponent (fnatic) notices this and instead of saving round 3 to afford a full buy on round 4, opts to instead full buy FAMAS on round 3 knowing NiP would probably keep most/all of the SMGs they saved from the previous round. It worked and fnatic won the 3rd round.

This is pretty dynamic stuff that we just were not seeing a year ago. We would see "lose pistol, save two rounds, buy round 4" pretty much every game from every team. That's some boring poo poo.

Luna Was Here
Mar 21, 2013

Lipstick Apathy

Top Hats Monthly posted:

...What would an esports historian even do?

Say racist poo poo about polish people, get fired from his job because of it then try to pass the blame off on someone else saying "You baited me into saying racist poo poo about the polish!!!" :v:

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011

Top Hats Monthly posted:

...What would an esports historian even do?

Cry themselves to sleep at night.


metatalk: We've got an influx of new people, some who weren't yet born when the World Trade Center fell. poo poo's gonna be whacked for a while. In the big scheme of things, it's honestly not that bad. The overall feel of CS isn't going to die a horrible death, we're just not playing 1.6 in 2003 anymore.

mistermojo
Jul 3, 2004

They should bring bunnyhopping back, thats when CS was at its best

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT

Kazinsal posted:

Cry themselves to sleep at night.


metatalk: We've got an influx of new people, some who weren't yet born when the World Trade Center fell. poo poo's gonna be whacked for a while. In the big scheme of things, it's honestly not that bad. The overall feel of CS isn't going to die a horrible death, we're just not playing 1.6 in 2003 anymore.

I was playing and some dudes were talking about the invasion of Iraq, and suddenly some kid steps up and goes "I was only three when that happened" and that for some reason threw me for a loop :magical:

mistermojo
Jul 3, 2004

Lets all go back to playing TFC, Action Half Life and Natural Selection, back when games were good

Gunder
May 22, 2003

Don't forget Firearms.

Gunder fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Apr 7, 2015

mcvey
Aug 31, 2006

go caps haha

*Washington Capitals #1 Fan On DeviantArt*
Fortress Forever's on Steam now

mistermojo
Jul 3, 2004

Science and Industry, The Specialists, that weird WW1 mod, even HLDM was fun

Ahdinko
Oct 27, 2007

WHAT A LOVELY DAY

mistermojo posted:

Science and Industry

Holy poo poo how did I forget about this one. I remember playing this so much as a kid, upgrading that acid grenade or whatever it was to kill everyone and get powers to jump super high. Was this one of the first sort of games where they mixed an FPS with a tech tree?

Ahdinko fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Apr 7, 2015

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

mcvey posted:

Fortress Forever's on Steam now

can we migrate to this please, thanks

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake
I wouldn't mind Valve loving with the meta so much if I actually knew what their objective was. If they want to entirely eliminate the eco round that's fine but it's going to take way more modifications than just buffing the SMGs & pistols. You not only have to re-think the economy entirely but all of the most popular maps were made to be balanced around the big-3.

Alighieri
Dec 10, 2005


:dukedog:

I like the new meta, as long as I get one kill pistol round I can at least get an mp9 or mac-10 + armor next round and own.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


I don't understand why Valve doesn't just make maps like Season or Mill or whatever official instead of insisting on pushing their own terrible maps and trying to rehabilitate Train and Nuke

Powerful Wizard IRL
Aug 8, 2007

-_- CS Depression? -_-
Ask your admin if BanMe® is right for you!
^o^

Bohemian Nights posted:



e: I'm certainly not saying it's perfect in its current state, and I wouldn't even be bothered if valve rolled back the patch changes or tweaked the game in other ways, but implying that the game is suddenly ruined because people have to adapt to change is hyperbolic to the extreme!
it hasn't been "suddenly" ruined

It's been a downhill turd slide for months

Xenaero
Sep 26, 2006


Slippery Tilde
I'm really retarded I suppose because I will use no armor p2k for 3 rounds, although I might be rewarded with a kill or two, I just don't think armor is effective against a glock rush. I also firmly believe I'm not good enough to justify throwing 1k into an eco if I can't sustain a firefight against a T full buy. Gives me a big economy boost though, which I guess is the idea.

I suck a lot at the USP vs moving heads so I just avoid it.

This is why I'm DMG for life.

Powerful Wizard IRL
Aug 8, 2007

-_- CS Depression? -_-
Ask your admin if BanMe® is right for you!
^o^

Waltchelg posted:

If you think that any game trying to be competitive on a large scale doesn't have to deal with devs catering to the lowest denominator you're out of your mind. I watched the second half of that video and while he's being sensationalist his points aren't wrong.

Pistols other than the deagle being able to 1tap you is probably the single most frustrating thing about this game.

If you want an example of why the mac10 and smgs are broken go watch the TSM game on inferno from yesterday and watch karrigan have $10k on round 3 or 4.

Have u considered adapting

astr0man
Feb 21, 2007

hollyeo deuroga
Remember when the P90 gave a $900 kill reward :allears:

Powerful Wizard IRL
Aug 8, 2007

-_- CS Depression? -_-
Ask your admin if BanMe® is right for you!
^o^

mcvey posted:

Fortress Forever's on Steam now

Little reason to play it over tf2 besides nostalgia tbh

Thorin actually knows Things but is also a smug rear end in a top hat

Norton
Feb 18, 2006

metallicaeg posted:

I don't understand all of the SMG hate here. Why should the entire group of guns be useless?

Nerf pistols; only one that should be able to one tap is the deagle. Reduce long distance accuracy of 5-7 and Tec9

Keep SMGs as-is. They should be the best choice for close-range encounters, and the current buffs make them that way. Get rid of the extra cash bonus.

Shotguns are fine. Keep the 300% cash bonus as an incentive over an SMG for close-range play.

Bunch of babbys in here. SMGs still take 4, 5, 6 rounds to take someone out. Any rifle will take a target down in 1-3.

From two pages ago but this is a good post.

Powerful Wizard IRL
Aug 8, 2007

-_- CS Depression? -_-
Ask your admin if BanMe® is right for you!
^o^

Jeza posted:

I think it's needless and stupid speculation that Valve are catering to lowest common denominator sources. What proof does anybody have of that?


To me? maybe every player jump scouting or unicylcling across the map while spamming m1 with whatever gun. There's a pretty strong feeling that csgo has a lower skill floor and more random elements than before imo

I'm also bitter as gently caress so

Thom and the Heads
Oct 27, 2010

Farscape is actually pretty cool.
I'm still having fun with this game but I think that just might mean I'm not good enough.

Alighieri
Dec 10, 2005


:dukedog:

Trying to trade for a ST AWP on csgolounge and the amount of people who think normal stickers make their weapon a special snowflake worth double marketplace value makes me sad. Am I crazy in thinking once a sticker is used on a weapon any value it had is gone?

Nottherealaborn
Nov 12, 2012

Alighieri posted:

Trying to trade for a ST AWP on csgolounge and the amount of people who think normal stickers make their weapon a special snowflake worth double marketplace value makes me sad. Am I crazy in thinking once a sticker is used on a weapon any value it had is gone?

They're pixels that never had any value to begin with.

Alighieri
Dec 10, 2005


:dukedog:

santanotreal posted:

They're pixels that never had any value to begin with.

my paypal account begs to differ

Bohemian Nights
Jul 14, 2006

When I wake up,
I look into the mirror
I can see a clearer, vision
I should start living today
Clapping Larry
Didn't even notice until I was in the middle of the next game, but apparently I have ranked up to mg2. This is going a lot faster than I thought it would. :toot:

The steam servers appear to be making GBS threads themselves atm, though.

no_funeral
Jul 4, 2004

why

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Ephedra
Jan 5, 2010

Fight

->Jump<-

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Powerful Wizard IRL posted:

To me? maybe every player jump scouting or unicylcling across the map while spamming m1 with whatever gun. There's a pretty strong feeling that csgo has a lower skill floor and more random elements than before imo

I'm also bitter as gently caress so

I don't understand why jump scouting is still in the game.. Or jumping with any gun.

Akumos
Sep 10, 2006

Ephedra posted:

I don't understand why jump scouting is still in the game.. Or jumping with any gun.

Because it's fun, and extremely situational? It's not really something you see constantly that it's a real problem. If I see one or two dumb jump scouts in a game after 100 AK kills it doesn't bother me that much.

FetalDave
Jun 25, 2011

Moumantai!

Akumos posted:

Because it's fun, and extremely situational? It's not really something you see constantly that it's a real problem. If I see one or two dumb jump scouts in a game after 100 AK kills it doesn't bother me that much.

Counterpoint: IRL if I jump with a scout looking through the scope vs. jumping with an AWP/Auto looking through the scope, why would the accuracy be different for one vs. the other?

Logan 5
Jan 29, 2007

Bash -> To the Cop

Top Hats Monthly posted:

How often does stuff drop? I got a cyanosplatter skin after like 16 hours and that's it. I really don't care, more of a curiosity thing.

Afaik, you get a certain amount a week (like 4-5, mostly crates usually), and it resets on a random day/time for everyone. I think its also a random timer from the last time you get one? I dunno for certain though, all I know is that I've gotten drops a few matches in a row before, but also it can also go days between them.

Just play the game really.

Antares
Jan 13, 2006

FetalDave posted:

Counterpoint: IRL if I jump with a scout looking through the scope vs. jumping with an AWP/Auto looking through the scope, why would the accuracy be different for one vs. the other?

Jump scouting is dumb but other than the fact that the GSG is an agency which actually exists I can't think of anything realistic about CS

Xenaero
Sep 26, 2006


Slippery Tilde
If they can unfuck the jumping hitboxes I'm okay with jumping scout but otherwise countering it is almost entirely based on luck unless your ping is 0

metallicaeg
Nov 28, 2005

Evil Red Wings Owner Wario Lemieux Steals Stanley Cup

Antares posted:

Jump scouting is dumb but other than the fact that the GSG is an agency which actually exists I can't think of anything realistic about CS
it sucks to get flashbanged

Xenaero
Sep 26, 2006


Slippery Tilde
I don't wanna find out how long the irl flash lasts

Carol Pizzamom
Jul 13, 2006

a bear you feed is a bear and a steed

Antares posted:

Jump scouting is dumb but other than the fact that the GSG is an agency which actually exists I can't think of anything realistic about CS

It hurts to be shot in the face

You can usually not fly (But sometimes you can fly)

Some rifles have optics

Fauxshiz
Jan 3, 2007
Jumbo Sized
TSM beats fnatic, loses to Titan. Comedy.

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Antares
Jan 13, 2006

Terrorists hate us for our small collections of wooden crates

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