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Bob was more exciting when treasure cruise was legal, too.
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You have lost me but thank you for your help.
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Apr 8, 2015 04:31
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Herr Tog posted:I just have shock lands so I see myself losing a lot of life before I start getting things going. The life is generally worth less than the cards. Calculate the average CMC of your deck, don't forget to include lands as 0, not just spells. That's how mcuh damage bob is going to do to you and how many turns on average, you're going to be able to draw cards from old Bob before you die. When the curve of your deck tops out at 3, its going to crazy low. Variance is a thing and sometimes you'll flip 3cmc, 3cmc, and be dead but there's just as many times you're going to flip land, draw gas, flip land, draw gas, and just bury your opponent in card advantage. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Apr 8, 2015 04:35
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Dr. Stab posted:Bob was more exciting when treasure cruise was legal, too. LSV has played Bob with Emrakul in cube decks before, and there is still always Tasigur or Tombstalker to live on the edge with.
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Dr. Stab posted:Bob was more exciting when treasure cruise was legal, too. http://www.starcitygames.com/article/14689_Feature-Article---8212--Fabiano-at-U-S--Nationals.html Decklist in article posted:4 Dark Confidant 
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Apr 8, 2015 04:37
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Herr Tog posted:Can someone tell me how Dark confidant is supposed to be used as I have never played with or against him. If your deck can't win quickly when you're drawing an unanswered 2 cards a turn, you probably built your deck wrong.
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Apr 8, 2015 04:39
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Low CMC decks can come out of the gates fast and consistently, but since each of your cards is lower impact than each of their cards you'll quickly begin to fall behind. Being able to draw 2 cards to their 1 mitigates this a lot, and Bob does this while also having a not entirely irrelevant body for a very low mana cost.
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Apr 8, 2015 04:41
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rabidsquid posted:LSV has played Bob with Emrakul in cube decks before, and there is still always Tasigur or Tombstalker to live on the edge with. Bob + Blightsteel Colossus is also a pretty real thing in Vintage.
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Apr 8, 2015 04:42
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mcmagic posted:If your deck can't win quickly when you're drawing an unanswered 2 cards a turn, you probably built your deck wrong. Yea I may want to try this out on xmage
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Apr 8, 2015 04:45
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Okay, let's talk Dark Confidant. Dark Confidant doesn't go in every deck. Getting Emrakul is loving bad. However, if you have a bunch of little dudes, then it's great. Normally, you could only draw one card per turn. If you're an aggressive black deck, that means you only get one of this dude at most per turn. Dark Confidant though means that you can effectively draw a second card. You get this guy in addition to your other dude and only at 1 life lost. However, you can now play both of them and next turn start swinging for 4 damage instead of just 2 damage. That's the gist of Dark Confidant, more now, who cares about later. So long as you're drawing more cards, you're more likely to draw what you need at the time and to push towards the end. Even then, there's other things to consider like the fact that if he draws you a land, you lose zero life, so he's not necessarily as painful as you might expect. But yes: gently caress life, get cards.
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Apr 8, 2015 04:50
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Bob was made for cube durdles
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Apr 8, 2015 04:52
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Ramos posted:But yes: gently caress life, get cards. I wish this was the red way of thinking. Instead, it's "gently caress cards, get cards. And then discard them randomly. Then take a shot in the foot."
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Apr 8, 2015 04:53
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Burn your candle at both ends
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Apr 8, 2015 04:53
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Oh and Dark Confidant also punches in addition to drawing cards, so yay.
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Apr 8, 2015 04:55
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IIRC, bob is on average less damage than phyrexian arena in a lot of decks, and even in decks where it's more, it's not a lot more.
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Apr 8, 2015 05:01
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Count Bleck posted:I wish this was the red way of thinking.
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Dr. Stab posted:Welcome to modern. You forgot the most important part which is to say "I'm Conley Woods" (Then lose the game cause you lava axed yourself T1)
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Apr 8, 2015 06:18
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Getting 2 Thunderbreak Regents out is such a beating. The only time I lost with that specific pair up was when some dude manifested a Whisperwood with his Whisperwood and then manifested a Deathmist to bring back another Deathmist. That was a bad time.
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You guys remember that the whole design of Tarkir block was two have two different draft environments with the "pivot" small set being drafted differently in each environment? How successful do you think it was? In general I'm not seeing my FRF card evaluation changing that much. Jeskai Sage and Sultai Emissary obviously get better with exploit, but they were already great. All the prowess cards stay the same, Sabretooth and Elite Scaleguard are still the best uncommons, and Citadel Siege is still basically unbeatable.
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Apr 8, 2015 08:23
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Lancelot posted:You guys remember that the whole design of Tarkir block was two have two different draft environments with the "pivot" small set being drafted differently in each environment? How successful do you think it was? Its drafted differently simply because it went from first to last (which does make a big difference). The power of the cards doesn't really change but it does change where you value certain cards.
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Lancelot posted:You guys remember that the whole design of Tarkir block was two have two different draft environments with the "pivot" small set being drafted differently in each environment? How successful do you think it was? Monastery mentor dropped like a rock.
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Count Bleck posted:I wish this was the red way of thinking. Whoa how did a post from 1996 get here
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Apr 8, 2015 08:36
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Monastery mentor dropped like a rock. Mentor would be an unbelievable beating if you were in UW, which so far I've found to be a fairly strong deck type. Ojutai's Summons with Mentor on the Board goes from good to "broken." Mentor is just generically good in most other limited decks as a reasonable 2/2 with Prowess that poops more monks when you use a spell. You really only need to cast a single spell get good value from Mentor. Playing my Temur Dragons deck, and man have I noticed how overrated Display of Dominance is, even out of the board. Its just always under performing in that deck and basically every time I have it, I wish it was another Stubborn Denial. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Angry Grimace posted:Its drafted differently simply because it went from first to last (which does make a big difference). The power of the cards doesn't really change but it does change where you value certain cards.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Monastery mentor dropped like a rock. What are you talking about, mentor is insane with rebound (as is Shu Yun) The enemy-coloured commons obviously got a lot worse. Gurmag Angler is a bit better when it doesn't have other delve cards to compete with. Torrent Elemental went from almost unbeatable to solid.
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Apr 8, 2015 09:21
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The point of FRF was not for it to be drafted that differently itself, but that it could tie into the mechanics and archetypes of both of the surrounding large sets without feeling out of place. The overall drafts are supposed to feel different, not FRF specifically. Given how lovely many small sets are, I'd say FRF was overall a success. Te main weakness is probably the top-heaviness of the rares, but even that wasn't super terrible. whydirt fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Apr 8, 2015 13:14
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FRF is garbage value-wise but it's a really fun draft set, more than khans was. The morphs feel more interesting and interactive than the ones in khans did.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:FRF is garbage value-wise but it's a really fun draft set, more than khans was. The morphs feel more interesting and interactive than the ones in khans did. Do you mean DTK? So far I'm not feeling it. The morphs all feel way less good than the ones in Khans. And I can't put my finger on why yet, but some of the archetypes just don't feel nearly as fun to draft. I was a huge fan of the triple-Khans draft format and Dragons feels really disappointing in comparison. All the green commons in this set are super boring. The white ones aren't much better. I like the UB exploit / flyers deck, but nothing else actually feels that fun. Maybe it's deeper than I'm giving it credit for and I just need to draft it some more, but I'm not a big fan of the format so far.
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FRF was kindof obnoxious in FKK limited, but I think it had a pretty big and positive impact on standard for a small set (other than Mastery of the Unseen).
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Does anyone else listen to Mark Rosewater's podcast? In one this week's podcasts, he has a pretty interesting story. The pwnage mechanic of Ken Nagle's that everyone makes fun of here was originally Richard Garfield's. An idea similar to it was also going to be used in Avacyn Restored as a mechanic called "Forbidden" until Tabak nixed it
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GoutPatrol posted:Does anyone else listen to Mark Rosewater's podcast? In one this week's podcasts, he has a pretty interesting story. I can believe it being a Garfield mechanic because it's the sort of thing I could have seen them printing in the old pre-block days when they were already printing mechanics like Ante. Doesn't make Nagle any less retarded for trying to print it eighteen years later (in multiple blocks apparently!) when the game had long since moved on.
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GoutPatrol posted:Does anyone else listen to Mark Rosewater's podcast? In one this week's podcasts, he has a pretty interesting story. Even more proof that Matt Tabak is a great man. Exhibit 2: https://vine.co/v/MAUOUiBrBMT
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Angry Grimace posted:Getting 2 Thunderbreak Regents out is such a beating. The only time I lost with that specific pair up was when some dude manifested a Whisperwood with his Whisperwood and then manifested a Deathmist to bring back another Deathmist. That was a bad time. 3x SB copies of Windstorm in my current Gw Devotion list.
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Apr 8, 2015 14:33
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nagle's only real odious quality is hating dredge
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Entropic posted:Do you mean DTK? I did mean DTK, oops. Just feels like dtk has better removal and combat tricks and more creatures with interactive effects. It's still a bit bomb heavy but I've had good luck with aggro decks when I can't find a good bomb. I also like all the "counters matter" stuff. G/w counters has been fun to draft.
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GoutPatrol posted:Does anyone else listen to Mark Rosewater's podcast? In one this week's podcasts, he has a pretty interesting story. Wasn't it that he came to some event and was spellslinging with a deck of weird new cards he'd made? That's a bit different from actually trying to put the mechanic in a set
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mcmagic posted:3x SB copies of Windstorm in my current Gw Devotion list. Wouldn't you rather just have Hornet Queen in that deck?
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Apr 8, 2015 14:39
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I play 1-1 split of Hornet Queen's. You need more than one answer for big flyers.
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Barry Shitpeas posted:Wasn't it that he came to some event and was spellslinging with a deck of weird new cards he'd made? That's a bit different from actually trying to put the mechanic in a set No, Ken definitely wanted to put Pwnage in a set. Unless you mean Richard, but I don't know about that.
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rabidsquid posted:Whoa how did a post from 1996 get here I played Gamble recently and it discarded the card I fetched for: Krenko. I'm not bitter. 
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