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The thing I find interesting is the dissection of the common police shooting narrative. Usually the killing of an individual by a police officer is framed in a manner like: "officer was innocently investigating, suspect did something threatening, officer perceived threat and feared for life, used deadly force;" and it is a very difficult to argue against because there is often a lack of outside evidence. Usually, the police officer is the only witness and has a large body of departmental resources to support them. Further, people believe cops, they tend to not believe criminal defendants with prior records (which often get released and pointed out in a way to suggest the dead earned or deserved their killing). This narrative occurs pretty frequently, and without much deviation, such that it can easily be followed as an outline of how the police can kill a man and get away with it. All you need to do is follow the road map, and with their union rep. attorney, and the "blue wall of silence" most police will never disagree with the official version of events. But here we have video, and perhaps most telling, the video came out after the official report. They can't explain away the discrepancies in the typical fashion, and in my mind the question arises of how many others like this are there out there? How many people died and the killing covered up and justified by the police?
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I predict them going to the "one bad apple" argument and how the rapid response of a murder charge proves the system works perfectly and calls for reform are unwarranted something something.
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Apr 8, 2015 18:54
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/08/exclusive-michael-slager-s-attorney-dumped-him-as-soon-as-he-saw-video.html Brief interview with Slager's ex-lawyer, who went lol see ya as soon as a reporter emailed him the video.
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Apr 8, 2015 18:55
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cr0y posted:I predict them going to the "one bad apple" argument and how the rapid response of a murder charge proves the system works perfectly and calls for reform are unwarranted something something.
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Apr 8, 2015 19:17
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Rent-A-Cop posted:To be fair the system in South Carolina appears to be working pretty well. *If there's clear as day video of a cop shooting a guy in the back How well does it work when there isn't video? I'm guessing not great.
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Apr 8, 2015 19:19
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Lemming posted:*If there's clear as day video of a cop shooting a guy in the back From their history, it seems to work better than most places. SLED seems pretty aggressive in going after bad cops. Obviously there's a question about their limitations in funding, ability, effectiveness, etc., but there's at least some folks in law enforcement there who take this kind of stuff seriously so... better than most places.
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Apr 8, 2015 19:22
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I wouldn't say that a random passer-by happening to film the event is part of "the system." It's actually a self-preservation tactic against "the system."
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Lemming posted:*If there's clear as day video of a cop shooting a guy in the back
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SLED doing a huge crackdown seems* like http://www.sled.state.sc.us/CISystem/Images/NewsPress/SNP0803.pdf *edited, sounds isn't the right word pathetic little tramp fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Apr 8, 2015 19:26
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Did you miss the above post about SLED going hog wild on a bunch of corrupt CLEOs in the last year or so? Plus that Trooper who shot the black guy after asking him for his license a few months ago. I know "gently caress the system!" and all but remember to give credit where credit is due. If this happened in NYC the cop would be on vacation instead of in jail. I saw the post, and those instances are good, but it doesn't give you the whole idea. If there were 5 instances of cops getting arrested and they killed 10,000 people (numbers obviously made up), then it would still probably not be great. Credit where credit is due, those cases are good, but we don't even have access to the number of cop shootings, so it's hard to know whether or not they're being handled appropriately as the exception or as the rule.
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Apr 8, 2015 19:32
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GlyphGryph posted:From their history, it seems to work better than most places. SLED seems pretty aggressive in going after bad cops. Obviously there's a question about their limitations in funding, ability, effectiveness, etc., but there's at least some folks in law enforcement there who take this kind of stuff seriously so... better than most places. A lot of the good SC cops do seem to get scooped up by SLED at some point.
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Apr 8, 2015 19:38
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Rent-A-Cop posted:To be fair the system in South Carolina appears to be working pretty well. Literal video of a cold blooded murder and planting evidence from a bystander is not really the system. It's also the only reason he may actually see jail time. It's pretty depressing that we're kinda cheering the easiest casewalk of a case possible because we know that's that anything less would probably be thrown out.
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Apr 8, 2015 19:47
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Zeitgueist posted:Literal video of a cold blooded murder and planting evidence from a bystander is not really the system.
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Apr 8, 2015 19:52
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I was speaking in a general sense, which I thought was clear. Yes, but I think I'm kinda sad that actually pursuing obvious crimes is something we need to cheer.
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Apr 8, 2015 19:53
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Zeitgueist posted:Yes, but I think I'm kinda sad that actually pursuing obvious crimes is something we need to cheer.
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Apr 8, 2015 19:56
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Tsarnaev just got convicted so there goes the media attention.
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I don't know why I even bothered to check Officer.comquote:Race has nothing to do with it. This man is a sworn, active police officer.
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cr0y posted:Tsarnaev just got convicted so there goes the media attention. Loving the fact that all of my news apps went OMG HOLY poo poo TSARNAEV WAS FOUND GUILTY. I mean come on, no poo poo. Ring my phone if he was found innocent.
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mintskoal posted:I don't know why I even bothered to check Officer.com He says he is. Reminder that o.com is like police stormfront with no real background checks and that many departments prohibit having anything to do with it.
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mintskoal posted:I don't know why I even bothered to check Officer.com Also their vetting procedure for members is a joke.
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Apr 8, 2015 20:08
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Rent-A-Cop posted:To be fair the system in South Carolina appears to be working pretty well. Hah, hell no. If the system were working well, the other cops on the scene would have turned him in for filing a false report as soon as they realized he was lying about giving CPR. Charge them all with conspiracy to commit.
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Apr 8, 2015 20:13
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hah, hell no. If the system were working well, the other cops on the scene would have turned him in for filing a false report as soon as they realized he was lying about giving CPR. There is no way to know though if the other officers saw the report on the supervisor's desk and all this happened so fast leading up to the release of video that possible interrogation wasn't done yet, I'd imagine. The officers submit their reports to the supervisor independently and they don't get to plan it out together before their statements are taken. Considering the fact that a coroner's report showing all the bullet holes in the back would've been about to resurface soonish anyway. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Apr 8, 2015 20:16
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Kumo posted:But here we have video, and perhaps most telling, the video came out after the official report. They can't explain away the discrepancies in the typical fashion, and in my mind the question arises of how many others like this are there out there? How many people died and the killing covered up and justified by the police? I'm not an ACAB fan, but I'm afraid the answer to that is "many".
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Vahakyla posted:There is no way to know though if the other officers saw the report on the supervisor's desk and all this happened so fast leading up to the release of video that possible interrogation wasn't done yet, I'd imagine. The department's official statement before the video was revealed was that officers, plural, had attempted to administer CPR. They pretty clearly didn't. That's the thing - there was a two day lag here between the event and publication of video, and in that time, the department put out a consistent and false story, which points to a systematic coverup. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Apr 8, 2015 20:22
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hah, hell no. If the system were working well, the other cops on the scene would have turned him in for filing a false report as soon as they realized he was lying about giving CPR. The system isn't working well, but parts of it least seem to be doing (some of) their job for once. I guess it just feels like a low bar. There is still definitely time for things to go further.
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Von Sloneker posted:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/08/exclusive-michael-slager-s-attorney-dumped-him-as-soon-as-he-saw-video.html Don't lie to your lawyers people.
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Jefferson Parish Police just released rap videos of a man they shot. http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/04/desmond_willis_shot_jpso_videos.html#incart_river http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/04/desmond_willis_harvey_jpso_shot.html To be fair though it seems this was probably not a " I shot him while he fled" shooting. I just thought it was weird that they'd be like " Oh by the way that guy was in rap videos".
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Gravel Gravy posted:
Chuck "Floor-shitter" Johnson doesn't actually believe any of this, he just wants to drive more traffic to his sub-Breitbart level clickbait empire.
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Hollismason posted:Jefferson Parish Police just released rap videos of a man they shot. Didn't you know that rap is only practiced by the thuggish?
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Some more shooting running suspects video for the thread: https://twitter.com/deray/status/585889957408972800
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I don't know if this one has been posted here but I didn't see it until today. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/graphic-video-emerges-showing-brutal-final-moments-vineland-man-mauled-k-9/
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Once again the Onion is on top of things: http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-hopeful-there-will-be-equally-random-chance,38397/
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I "like" how they're going straight for the bolt-hole of making this guy take the fall for this when - the way he acted showed that he was clearly used to covering up his actions (which he probably learned how to do in both the military and the police force) - there were clearly other police officers accessory to the murder - the media was there to uncritically say what the police department wanted them to say, so we have institutions on at least state level whose default behaviour is to help the murderer get away with it this isn't the act of one individual, it's more a case of America being occupied by an enemy military force
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Re: The Walter Scott video. Can someone please point out exactly where the officer appears to plant the Taser on him? poo poo's hosed.
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Mister Speaker posted:Re: The Walter Scott video. Can someone please point out exactly where the officer appears to plant the Taser on him? From another thread Unhinged Vulcan posted:http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000003615939/video-shows-fatal-police-shooting.html about 1:40 in,.
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Mister Speaker posted:Re: The Walter Scott video. Can someone please point out exactly where the officer appears to plant the Taser on him? In this video: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1 At 1:30, the editor has a slow zoom in of it, I think it pretty clearly is the taser he is tossing. Its really blatant, like that's exactly how I drop a piece of trash when I want to "accidentally" litter. e:f;b Mavric fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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And you got ahead to it jesus the video must have been updated since I saw it. Gaj fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Apr 8, 2015 21:57
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Mavric posted:In this video: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1 Holy poo poo, that is clear as day. Thanks for that. I don't know what to say that hasn't already been said.
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As a reminder, police critics have been saying that cops will shoot folks for no reason and then plant a weapon and have been mocked for it, here and elsewhere. This is simply a time when somebody caught it, on camera, in daylight.
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Zeitgueist posted:As a reminder, police critics have been saying that cops will shoot folks for no reason and then plant a weapon and have been mocked for it, here and elsewhere. There is a noticeable lack of the usual suspects popping up, now that you mention it.. But for all the attention it's getting, it's certainly a compelling case where we get to compare previous media coverage, and just how much that lines up with the vast majority of these cases ( I kind of wish there had been more just for the stark contrast ). We have the casual planting of evidence play out before our eyes. It tears the typical story apart. Without it there would be fleeing suspect who went for the cop's weapon, a black man who just wouldn't go down despite being tasered. A criminal! He had a warrant, after all. It's definitely great news he's actually charged with murder, and shocking how far ahead of the rest of the country South Carolina seems to be. But without that video, and the person brave enough to take it, at the very best this story would've been briefly mentioned and then forgotten. How about this guy? Using a K9 unit to maul a man to death and then demanding the phone that recorded the incident? That should be front page news too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfAYkwphRM4
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