Supersonic Shine posted:So who's going to spill their guts about how much Wonder Woman sucks? Let's complete the trinity here, people. Literally no one has ever been able to give her a distinct identity and every single incarnation of her that isn't one-dimensional patriotic propaganda and cheesecake is a sad attempt to reinvent her, to the point that no one can tell you what personality traits she has besides "strong" "brave" and "woman". How was that?
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Wonder Woman comics, much like conservatism, cannot fail, only be failed.
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I never got whether WW was an ambassador of peace or a powerful warrior who will fight til her dying breath. I blame the writers.
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Apr 9, 2015 04:39
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Madkal posted:I never got whether WW was an ambassador of peace or a powerful warrior who will fight til her dying breath. I blame the writers. She's both. Don't blame the writers.
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Apr 9, 2015 04:45
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Wonder Woman rules
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Lurdiak posted:Literally no one has ever been able to give her a distinct identity and every single incarnation of her that isn't one-dimensional patriotic propaganda and cheesecake is a sad attempt to reinvent her, to the point that no one can tell you what personality traits she has besides "strong" "brave" and "woman".  (Avengers: Rage of Ultron)
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Dan Didio posted:She's both. Don't blame the writers. I was being facetious. No real problems from me for WW.
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Supersonic Shine posted:Yeah, that's good. Anyway, time to turn back this derail. Don't have any especially badass panels, so this will have to do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-XEINagmaU
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Madkal posted:I never got whether WW was an ambassador of peace or a powerful warrior who will fight til her dying breath. I blame the writers. (As a BroGoddess in New Frontier, as a crazed WarDevil in Flashpoint, as an aloof Ambassador in JLU).
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~DAWN OF THE THIRD DAY~
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Vision is a dick for using these holographic keyboards - he is a robot and does not need any means of physical input, but he decides to show off before his teammates;
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fatherboxx posted:Vision is a dick for using these holographic keyboards - he is a robot and does not need any means of physical input, but he decides to show off before his teammates; He's a synthezoid, actually. He's more synthetic organism than machine. Except when writers forget.
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Apr 9, 2015 10:28
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Lurdiak posted:He's a synthezoid, actually. He's more synthetic organism than machine. Except when writers forget.  (Still, it was a pretty impressive and unsettling page when I read it.)
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Opopanax posted:
... and that's why Krypton exploded. It was unstable.
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fatherboxx posted:Vision is a dick for using these holographic keyboards - he is a robot and does not need any means of physical input, but he decides to show off before his teammates; Now I'm reminded of Blade Wolf from Metal Gear Rising. Raiden: You're a AI. Can't you just hack their computer. Blade Wolf: I could, if you gave me a Keyboard. And hands.
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Apr 9, 2015 14:45
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prefect posted:
Hell, it still is. I always wondered why the had the muscle and organs and misc other stuff in PROTECTED VATS but just left his skin kinda hanging on the table like it's no big thing.
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prefect posted:
That's HORRIFIC. What's this from?
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Apr 9, 2015 19:45
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prefect posted:
That one scientist on the right is holding a huge tank full of liquid and other material with one hand in an extremely precarious overhand grip, he must be swole as hell
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Hell, it still is. Didn't they give him a new skin after that incident?
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Wachter posted:That's HORRIFIC. What's this from? John Byrne's run on West Coast Avengers/Avengers West Coast, issues 42-45. That run set in place most of the "Wanda is completely insane" foundation that gave us Avengers Disassembled, House of M, et cetera.  Lurdiak posted:Didn't they give him a new skin after that incident? Same skin, but it had faded due to something in the stress of being removed and disconnected. He became the pale-yellow/white stick-of-butter Vision.
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prefect posted:John Byrne's run on West Coast Avengers/Avengers West Coast, issues 42-45. That run set in place most of the "Wanda is completely insane" foundation that gave us Avengers Disassembled, House of M, et cetera. This is super hosed up
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Apr 9, 2015 19:52
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If that was a meatbag being vivisected, no way that would have made it onto the shelves. Robo-racism in action, my friends.
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Didn't the Transformers comic get away with a ridiculous amount of gruesomeness because the characters were technically vehicles and robots, so having them be dismembered or shredded on panel wasn't considered a breach of whatever comics code?
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prefect posted:John Byrne's run on West Coast Avengers/Avengers West Coast, issues 42-45. That run set in place most of the "Wanda is completely insane" foundation that gave us Avengers Disassembled, House of M, et cetera. It was also Byrne going that a robot can not have humanity and that is the creators original intent, when in fact Visions whole character was that he was a robot with humanity. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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Apr 9, 2015 20:22
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That's how Samurai Jack was able to get away with its cartoon violence; Jack only ever chopped up robots and got doused head to toe in their It's a shame Byrne's WCA run turned out like it did (i.e. "Only I know how these characters are supposed to work, for I am John Byrne, and you're all gonna sit down, shut up and like it") because it had some of his best art at the same time.
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Wheat Loaf posted:It's a shame Byrne's WCA run turned out like it did (i.e. "Only I know how these characters are supposed to work, for I am John Byrne, and you're all gonna sit down, shut up and like it") because it had some of his best art at the same time. I was just reading this, about John Byrne's original plans for the Scarlet Witch: http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/05/18/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-51/ Sounds like it could have been pretty interesting.
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prefect posted:I was just reading this, about John Byrne's original plans for the Scarlet Witch: http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/05/18/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-51/ Reminds me; it's pretty weird in retrospect that Black Knight was seemingly a hugely popular character in Avengers under Stern and Harras.
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Ashcans posted:Didn't the Transformers comic get away with a ridiculous amount of gruesomeness because the characters were technically vehicles and robots, so having them be dismembered or shredded on panel wasn't considered a breach of whatever comics code? This:  gave me goddamn nightmares as a kid.  *shudders*
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prefect posted:Same skin, but it had faded due to something in the stress of being removed and disconnected. He became the pale-yellow/white stick-of-butter Vision. Yeah, and acted more robotic and boring than he ever had before because Byrne was under the delusion that he knew the TRUE INTENT of the character, just like everything else he did in the 90s. I think most people who hate Vision probably know him from that era exclusively, because he had basically no pathos or personality until he was restored to his traditional personality and look.
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prefect posted:
Meanwhile we establish that no, Vision absolutely does not have 'junk'.
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I don't care for Vision but those are hardcore and effective panels.
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I'm not positive, but I don't think I've ever read a comic with Vision in it. I did see his episodes of the not lovely Avengers cartoon that got canceled so they could have a lovely one instead.
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prefect posted:Same skin, but it had faded due to something in the stress of being removed and disconnected. He became the pale-yellow/white stick-of-butter Vision.  He got his sunburnt complexion back when he was body-swapped with a creepy alternate reality Vision by some guy named Proctor Creepy Alternate reality Black Knight. I'm not sure how many new bodies/reboots/retcons he's had since then. A dozen? More?
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Last I checked, Young Vision, hosted in said suit, died in Children's Crusade. It was then revealed that Tony Stark had been rebuilding Vision off-panel since Disassembled, and that he is now totally fine, even though he was a melted puddle last time he was seen.
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Lurdiak posted:Last I checked, Young Vision, hosted in said suit, died in Children's Crusade. It was then revealed that Tony Stark had been rebuilding Vision off-panel since Disassembled, and that he is now totally fine, even though he was a melted puddle last time he was seen. I call bullshit on this, because Tony Stark is a great engineer, but not the kind of scientist who could build a synthezoid. 
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prefect posted:I call bullshit on this, because Tony Stark is a great engineer, but not the kind of scientist who could build a synthezoid. He's smart, in comic book terms that means he knows everything.
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prefect posted:I call bullshit on this, because Tony Stark is a great engineer, but not the kind of scientist who could build a synthezoid. Creating, probably not, but rebuilding him? I can buy that, they most likely ran hundreds if not thousands of scans on Vision over the years, giving him a lot of info. Not to mention the possibility of consulting with the likes of Reed Richards, but of course Tony's ego wouldn't let him admit to doing that. 
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prefect posted:I call bullshit on this, because Tony Stark is a great engineer, but not the kind of scientist who could build a synthezoid. It was totally bullshit.
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The only good thing to come out of it was him having a big WTF look on his face upon seeing Red Hulk randomly standing there, eating out of a giant bowl of cereal. "Oh by the way, there's a Red Hulk now."
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