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Scudworth posted:Did they ever show any rogue Ferengi? Ones living in a socialist commune somewhere that turned their backs on profit and other Ferengi won't even look at them? There seemed to be dissenters from every culture and species but not the Ferengi. Does Quark's mom count? Whoop, new page 
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I just wanted to remind everyone that Voyager runs out of deuterium fuel in one episode and everyone is totally surprised. This is canon. Nobody was monitoring fuel levels, not even the computer. They just ran out. No reason was given beyond the implication that no one had checked for months.
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Apr 9, 2015 07:50
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Nessus posted:To be honest I thought that was kind of a silent piece of good storytelling. In season 1 they were hissing monsters. By season 7 having one of them - a scientist, yet - on the Enterprise for a technical/research project was unremarkable. Their distinctiveness was added to that of the federation. Resistance is futile, we will clothe your women and let them own things.
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Apr 9, 2015 07:52
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Arglebargle III posted:I just wanted to remind everyone that Voyager runs out of deuterium fuel in one episode and everyone is totally surprised. This is canon. Nobody was monitoring fuel levels, not even the computer. They just ran out. No reason was given beyond the implication that no one had checked for months. If you just assume Paris was in charge of it and he hosed off in the holodeck instead of making sure they had enough fuel to run the holodeck, then it makes sense and consistent with the rest of the show. E: Oh wow, I just read the synopsis on Memory Alpha. They just find deuterium on a planet and just have to go collect it out of some pools in a cave? What? How do antimatter deposits exist on a planet of matter? VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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Apr 9, 2015 07:59
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VitalSigns posted:E: Oh wow, I just read the synopsis on Memory Alpha. They just find deuterium on a planet and just have to go collect it out of some pools in a cave? What? How do antimatter deposits exist on a planet of matter? Deuterium isn't antimatter, it's heavy hydrogen, most often found in heavy water. It's ideally suited for fusion. Their antimatter supplies are in the form of antideuterium so deuterium can be used as both a matter reactant and a fusion fuel. It makes sense to use deuterium, which is how you can tell it dates back to TNG. What doesn't make sense is running out of it and having trouble finding it in space, which is how you can tell it's a Voyager plot. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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Apr 9, 2015 08:11
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Oh right duh. I guess my mind went to antideuterium since you'd think with all these ocean-having planets they go investigate every week they'd have taken a minute to pick up some deuterium before the fuel light came on. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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Apr 9, 2015 08:14
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VitalSigns posted:Oh right duh.
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Apr 9, 2015 08:36
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ChairMaster posted:Their distinctiveness was added to that of the federation. Resistance is futile, we will clothe your women and let them own things. Eddington Was Right. #worsethantheborg
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Apr 9, 2015 11:23
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Arglebargle III posted:I just wanted to remind everyone that Voyager runs out of deuterium fuel in one episode and everyone is totally surprised. This is canon. Nobody was monitoring fuel levels, not even the computer. They just ran out. No reason was given beyond the implication that no one had checked for months. It could only be made better by the ship stopping for no reason and everyone looking confused. Then Paris taps the LCARS fuel gauge a few times until it suddenly drops to zero.
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Apr 9, 2015 11:52
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It is better. They find deuterium on a desert planet. A desert hothouse planet.
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Apr 9, 2015 13:22
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Arent the ramscoops specifically there to scoop up hydrogen for the antimatter engines?
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Apr 9, 2015 15:12
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Arglebargle III posted:It is better. They find deuterium on a desert planet. A desert hothouse planet. Voyager is a Science Vessel.
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Apr 9, 2015 15:39
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Nessus posted:I almost think they did that after they had fatalities when people realized they could in fact replicate as much whiskey as they wanted. I bet McCoy invented it after his fourth liver regeneration on Scotty. According to the TNG writer's guide, synthehol was a Ferengi invention. Nutsngum posted:Arent the ramscoops specifically there to scoop up hydrogen for the antimatter engines? Yeah, that's exactly their purpose. And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if they were originally put on the Enterprise-D specifically to prevent "oh no we ran out of fuel" stories, just like how the TNG writers guide says "yeah don't do any more "broken dilithium crystals" stories, they have a machine that can basically fix 'em up."
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According to the TNG technical manual, the ramscoops were there to pick up stray hydrogen to help replenish some of the deuterium supply. The ship also had an anti-matter generator, but it was VERY inefficient so it was really only an emergency thing. The bulk of the antimatter supplies came from being refueled at a starbase, they only had the generator for situations like "We're 1,000 light years from anywhere and OUT of anti-matter, let's fuse a shitton of deuterium to make a tiny bit of antimatter to get our FTL engines to work long enough to reach civilization." So, really, Voyager should have been running out of anti-deuterium before deuterium. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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Apr 9, 2015 16:01
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Nessus posted:To be honest I thought that was kind of a silent piece of good storytelling. In season 1 they were hissing monsters. By season 7 having one of them - a scientist, yet - on the Enterprise for a technical/research project was unremarkable.
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Apr 9, 2015 16:47
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betaraywil posted:Voyager is a Science Vessel. I thought Voyager was a super-fast blockade-runner/reconnaissance type ship. Like, it was able to maintain high speeds for long periods of time and the nacelles folded up to keep from damaging subspace or w/e while being at warp for a long time. Or is that  and I'm just dense?bull3964 posted:So, really, Voyager should have been running out of anti-deuterium before deuterium. This absolutely slays me, about Voyager disregarding its own premise. If they'd gone the route many had suggested (including Ron Moore IIRC) of Voyager forming a "mini-Federation" ad-hoc fleet with Delta quadrant natives they could have traded around for stuff like this. But they had to go with the warmed-over TNG rehash.
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Apr 9, 2015 17:15
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bull3964 posted:So, really, Voyager should have been running out of anti-deuterium before deuterium. Eh, maybe, if they'd been running their fusion at 100% since they got there converting antideuterium because they could always just pick up more deuterium it makes sense they'd be constantly running low on deuterium just from all the fusion. But it doesn't make sense they'd have trouble getting more and that they'd not notice. Randumb Thots posted:I thought Voyager was a super-fast blockade-runner/reconnaissance type ship. Like, it was able to maintain high speeds for long periods of time and the nacelles folded up to keep from damaging subspace or w/e while being at warp for a long time. Or is that All Starfleet ships are science vessels, in theory. Voyager was meant to be a next-generation multi-role small-to-mid-sized ship. hyphens!
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Randumb Thots posted:I thought Voyager was a super-fast blockade-runner/reconnaissance type ship. Like, it was able to maintain high speeds for long periods of time and the nacelles folded up to keep from damaging subspace or w/e while being at warp for a long time. Or is that I always figured the warp nacelles folded because it looked cool to have them fold/unfold. I don't remember them actually giving a reason for it, but it's been a very long time since I watched all of Voyager so I could be wrong! Completely unrelated: Some mourning doves made a nest on my apartment fire escape, they just made an egg this morning, and I've named the female dove THE HORTA. Hoping to establish a good relationship with them to get some sweet sweet pergium when the eggs hatch 
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Apr 9, 2015 17:44
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Apple Jax posted:I always figured the warp nacelles folded because it looked cool to have them fold/unfold. I don't remember them actually giving a reason for it, but it's been a very long time since I watched all of Voyager so I could be wrong! I'm pretty sure they never mention a reason why the nacelles move, but there was a species that wanted to destroy Voyager because they believed warp engines harmed space, kinda like that alien race on TNG, but the voyager crew never tries to reason with them about their nacelles fixing that.
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Apr 9, 2015 18:08
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The nacelles thing was supposed to be Starfleet's response to that one TNG episode where those aliens showed Picard how warp travel was destroying local space. But in reality that barely gets mentioned again, because it was dumb.
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Apr 9, 2015 18:14
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A UPN exec wanted part of the ship to transform because it would look cool. Really.
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Apr 9, 2015 19:33
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MikeJF posted:All Starfleet ships are science vessels, in theory. Voyager was meant to be a next-generation multi-role small-to-mid-sized ship. hyphens! Oh, see, I thought it was supposed to be a light sciency survey ship that could run out to a phenomenon and study the poo poo out of it. With its neural gelpacs. That's what neural gelpacs do. Right? I wonder if anyone else had this level of confusion about the ship's purpose and capabilities.
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Apr 9, 2015 19:36
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It's the WiiU of starships. They threw a bunch of cool poo poo in without really thinking of why or what it would be used for, and the people in charge of it don't know what they're doing, but it has the best holodeck games.
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Apr 9, 2015 19:46
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Behold! A lovely fan-film trailer! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjeX5drV9ms
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Apr 9, 2015 20:12
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Timby posted:Behold! A lovely fan-film trailer! Man, the production values actually look pretty good for what it is, but the writing looks loving terrible. Remember when Frakes was like "I think people want Star Trek to be an action movie!" these are the people he was talking about. edit: Also, is that Icheb? because LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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Apr 9, 2015 20:17
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Timby posted:Behold! A lovely fan-film trailer! A Facebook friend posted this with the excited caption "Icheb is in this!!!"
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Apr 9, 2015 20:19
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Timby posted:Behold! A lovely fan-film trailer! Ugh, I had almost completely forgotten about Renegades after that first trailer they made a few months ago. It's pretty sad/depressing that people who worked so closely with Star Trek (Walter Koenig, Tim Russ & Robert Picardo) want to create a new Star Trek that's totally action packed, dark and angst-y. And really I can't stand that logo, holy poo poo. That's the kind of thing you see doodled in High School notebooks.
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Apr 9, 2015 20:20
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Snak posted:Man, the production values actually look pretty good for what it is, but the writing looks loving terrible. I feel like Tim Russ should really know better than to say lines like "Do this mission." But like, man, the rubber masks and CGI are better than they have any right to be.
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Apr 9, 2015 20:26
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Timby posted:Behold! A lovely fan-film trailer! lol the gently caress is with the horseshoe at 1:21, did someone scavenge that from the Generations set Apple Jax posted:And really I can't stand that logo, holy poo poo. That's the kind of thing you see doodled in High School notebooks. It's like a lovely knock-off of the Captain Harlock skull & crossbones
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Apr 9, 2015 20:35
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Apple Jax posted:And really I can't stand that logo, holy poo poo. That's the kind of thing you see doodled in High School notebooks. So does the whole script.
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Apr 9, 2015 20:37
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betaraywil posted:I feel like Tim Russ should really know better than to say lines like "Do this mission." He should know better than to put his loving NAME ON IT. I mean, I'm not really judging anyone for making it, but it just looks bad. It was probably a lot of fun to do.
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sunday at work posted:A UPN exec wanted part of the ship to transform because it would look cool. Really. This is the same reason the NX-01 Enterprise looks like an Akira, an executive wanted it to just be an Akira despite the series taking place before TOS. Thay had to fight to make it look 'old'.
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Apr 9, 2015 21:01
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Snak posted:He should know better than to put his loving NAME ON IT. I mean, I'm not really judging anyone for making it, but it just looks bad. It was probably a lot of fun to do. He loves it - his name being on it (and all those Trek actors being in it) lends it legitimacy in any IP legal struggles. Looks better than Nemesis and I own that movie (I own a box set, so it came with the others) It's not the Trek I want, but I appreciate all these people who clearly love Trek trying to continue the "Prime Universe". I'd sure as hell see it twice That logo has to go, though. It's an embarrassment.
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betaraywil posted:Oh, see, I thought it was supposed to be a light sciency survey ship that could run out to a phenomenon and study the poo poo out of it. With its neural gelpacs. That's what neural gelpacs do. Right? That was the idea behind the Nova class, and the Nova that shows up in Voyager does indeed have a much rougher go of it (the USS Equinox). quote:From what I gather the Ferengi were Gene's idea of a new villain. We all saw how well that worked. After he died they basically just turned them into the comic relief capitalists. In Gene's words, the Ferengi were supposed to be to the Federation what the Europeans were to the Native Americans.
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Timby posted:Behold! A lovely fan-film trailer! Is that Mr. Wilhelm? Was this made by that cult he joined?
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Apr 9, 2015 21:31
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Apr 9, 2015 21:45
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Oh God, the female lead is supposed to be Khan's daughter or granddaughter 
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Apr 9, 2015 22:00
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Timby posted:Oh God, the female lead is supposed to be Khan's daughter or granddaughter
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Jack Gladney posted:Is that Mr. Wilhelm? Was this made by that cult he joined? My first thought on seeing this post was "I didn't hear the scream  " I am a broken human being.Also laffo at Gene thinking the Ferengi would be super dangerous and scary.
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Apple Jax posted:A joke...is a story with a humorous climax? No joke I'm afraid. http://startrekrenegades.com/home/category/str-news/web-design/casting/ (about halfway down) edit: Just saw Eddie Furlong is in this too...has he done anything worth watching since American History X? iraqniphobia fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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