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its really loving weird to start vibrating with rage at the idea that a pregnant woman who had nothing to do with anything might be getting health coverage, tbh
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paranoid randroid posted:lol are you privy to their finances now Of course not, silly. There are two situations -She is employed, so this doesn't matter as she has insurance already -She's not employed, so her husband now making zero dollars will cause her to become eligible for Medicaid paranoid randroid posted:its really loving weird to start vibrating with rage at the idea that a pregnant woman who had nothing to do with anything might be getting health coverage, tbh Who's doing that? She's going to get covered, as she should, regardless of which insurance plan it's under. She and her child deserve the best medical care that Medicaid, or her current insurance provider, has to offer.
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Apr 9, 2015 22:13
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paranoid randroid posted:its really loving weird to start vibrating with rage at the idea that a pregnant woman who had nothing to do with anything might be getting health coverage, tbh
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Apr 9, 2015 22:14
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Radbot posted:-She is employed, so this doesn't matter as she has insurance already You know, there are people in this country who make more than the FPL cutoff for medicaid who either don't have insurance or have god awful figleaf insurance. Lots and lots of people, in fact. Millions of them! Some of them even live in states that refused the ACA medicare expansion!
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Popular Thug Drink posted:You know, there are people in this country who make more than the FPL cutoff for medicaid who either don't have insurance or have god awful figleaf insurance. I agree, that's a huge problem! Have you written to the SC legislature to express their displeasure about inflicting this on their own residents? Maybe you could help the officer find insurance on the federal exchange? I'm sure they'd be able to find something before the birth at a reasonable, subsidized rate.
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Apr 9, 2015 22:15
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people who are not enraged about stupid poo poo do not start making increasingly snotty posts about being strawmanned to a ridiculous degree, or compare the people arguing with them to the Memories Pizza rednecks
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Apr 9, 2015 22:17
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Radbot posted:I agree, that's a huge problem! Have you written to the SC legislature to express their displeasure about inflicting this on their own residents? It's not an effective strategy to accuse me of not being sincere enough when I point out that you're somewhat oblivious to the realities of the working poor in this country. It's almost like you're posturing as more-progressive-than-thou in order to win internet points.
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paging Amergin or MIGF to save us from this stupid derail
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Popular Thug Drink posted:It's not an effective strategy to accuse me of not being sincere enough when I point out that you're somewhat oblivious to the realities of the working poor in this country. It's almost like you're posturing as more-progressive-than-thou in order to win internet points. So you're admitting that the only scenario in which this poor wife wouldn't be covered under Medicaid is something that SC voters are more responsible for than anyone else? Also confused as to how I could be oblivious to the realities of the working poor when you weren't even aware that Medicaid had retroactive eligibility. I've actually helped people escape those medical bills you're so concerned about by getting them signed up for Medicaid after they got their bills. Have you?
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Hey guys I hear a Republican said something stupid Let's talk about that instead of this god awful race to the peak of Mount Shitpost Alternately, an actual question - I cannot remember the name of it, but there's an idea that a just society is one in which we can look at it and say "yes, without knowing anything about where I'd wind up in this society, I would be happy to be a part of it regardless of my status within it." Ring any bells? I'm trying to find it for an argument about SNAP. It's an idea that I really like and that has influenced my arguments with relatives about THOSE drat WELFARE POORS AND THEIR CARTONS OF CIGARETTES Magres fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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Apr 9, 2015 22:20
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Magres posted:Hey guys I hear a Republican said something stupid veil of ignorance
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Magres posted:Hey guys I hear a Republican said something stupid John Rawls' Veil of Ignorance
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Radbot posted:So you're admitting that the only scenario in which this poor wife wouldn't be covered under Medicaid is something that SC voters are more responsible for than anyone else? So we can punish her for being married to a cop, and punish her for living in South Carolina... what other group punishments are applicable here? Radbot posted:Also confused as to how I could be oblivious to the realities of the working poor when you weren't even aware that Medicaid had retroactive eligibility. That was someone else who claimed that, Radbot. I am a different person. Radbot posted:I've actually helped people escape those medical bills you're so concerned about by getting them signed up for Medicaid after they got their bills. Have you? *checks progressive escatometer* my god... he volunteers with the poor... his leftist levels... power overwhelming...!
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Magres posted:Hey guys I hear a Republican said something stupid The Veil of Ignorance. edit: holy poo poo beaten twice in the same minute Popular Thug Drink posted:*checks progressive escatometer* my god... he volunteers with the poor... his leftist levels... power overwhelming...! Somebody's got to do it. Or not, in your case.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:*checks progressive escatometer* my god... he volunteers with the poor... his leftist levels... power overwhelming...! heh, fool. i read jacobin... you cannot hope to defeat me
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Apr 9, 2015 22:24
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Popular Thug Drink posted:So we can punish her for being married to a cop, and punish her for living in South Carolina... what other group punishments are applicable here?
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Apr 9, 2015 22:25
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Popular Thug Drink posted:So we can punish her for being married to a cop, and punish her for living in South Carolina... what other group punishments are applicable here? - White Skin - Being Racist (Probably) - Descendant of Confederates - Christian Subhuman - Willing Participant in Propagating Cop DNA - Being Insufferable (This is synonymous with "married to a cop")
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Apr 9, 2015 22:27
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JT Jag posted:For being married to a murderer who lost his job and insurance for murdering someone. irrespective of anything else, kicking a pregnant woman, who has not personally done anything besides maybe display questionable taste in spouses, off insurance while sneering that she should consider public assistance is errrr problematic
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Apr 9, 2015 22:28
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Why are the taxpayers paying for that woman's insurance needlessly? It reeks of socialism. If she wants insurance, she can go out like the rest of us and purchase her own or find employment.
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Apr 9, 2015 22:28
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paranoid randroid posted:irrespective of anything else, kicking a pregnant woman, who has not personally done anything besides maybe display questionable taste in spouses, off insurance while sneering that she should consider public assistance is errrr problematic No one is saying she should be kicked off insurance, just that a murderer shouldn't keep his job just because he knocked up his wife. How hard is that to understand?
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Apr 9, 2015 22:29
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Trabisnikof posted:No one is saying she should be kicked off insurance, just that a murderer shouldn't keep his job just because he knocked up his wife. How hard is that to understand? That's not what people are saying.
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Apr 9, 2015 22:30
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Trabisnikof posted:No one is saying she should be kicked off insurance, just that a murderer shouldn't keep his job just because he knocked up his wife. How hard is that to understand? The cop was fired. The mayor said the city is covering the pregnancy expenses which could mean a lot of things. e: They're extending his coverage even though he doesn't qualify anymore for the benefit of his wife because "it's the humane thing to do"
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Unzip and Attack posted:E: Would those supporting the extension of coverage also be ok with college tuition for the kid paid for by the state? Why is the extension of insurance a sufficient gesture? Surely this family will have future needs with the father in prison.
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Karnegal posted:That's not what people are saying. Where was someone saying she should be banned from insurance coverage or not allowed to use Medicare?
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Dubstep Jesus posted:paging Amergin or MIGF to save us from this stupid derail I'd rather this than "Here's my plan for the nation's educational system based off of some anecdotes from my teenage years". Trabisnikof posted:No one is saying she should be kicked off insurance, just that a murderer shouldn't keep his job just because he knocked up his wife. How hard is that to understand? lol
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Trabisnikof posted:No one is saying she should be kicked off insurance, just that a murderer shouldn't keep his job just because he knocked up his wife. How hard is that to understand? well ok look back one page please people have been saying she should be kicked from the police insurance, that's what the whole thing is about. don't move the goalposts to include medicaid/care now, your stupidity is already cataloged
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Karnegal posted:That's not what people are saying. Look, I don't care whether she's kicked off or not. What I care about is the potential for municipal bankruptcy due to this one schlobo's actions. Does providing her with insurance help or hinder the ability for the municipality to pay its bonds? Certainly, she should be sued for the cost of the insurance in case her husband's actions impact the credit of the municipality or its insurers.
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Trabisnikof posted:No one is saying she should be kicked off insurance, just that a murderer shouldn't keep his job just because he knocked up his wife. How hard is that to understand? JT Jag posted:Maybe if people in power were legally treated the same way as the underclass they supervise (like poo poo) it'd give them motivation to do just this. Unzip and Attack posted:Yes we should[give everyone the benefit of the doubt]. We should also have universal health care. We aren't going to get there by only granting special privileges to those in positions of power. Radbot posted:I'm glad you caught on to why we're talking about this at all. My concern was the white-knighting of the poor murderer's family, when the poster in question hasn't said poo poo about people being laid off keeping THEIR health insurance in other threads. quote:you get the feeling he’s trying to say something to you but he’s kramering at such a high velocity you just can’t quite make it out. as he finally nails a window and falls out you think you hear him exclaim “I’m a progressive, that’s what’s so CRAZY about this” on the way down white knighting a pregnant woman fuckin lmao
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paranoid randroid posted:white knighting a pregnant woman fuckin lmao I'm glad you found some evidence that supports what I'm saying. No one is trying to ban her from insurance or anything like that at all. No scarlet letters too.
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Question about RFRA and Uber--would a driver have the right to kick out any gay passengers and sue Uber if they were fired for doing so?
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lamentable dustman posted:I did find it odd that CNN was showing the killing on a loop for like 15 minutes but they bleeped out the recorder cursing 'poo poo' as the shots were fired. Besides all the things other people have said about US culture, they would be fined a potentially substantial amount of money if they were to air the word "poo poo". It's actually against the rules.
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Fried Chicken posted:In non-insane strawman bullshit, here's an example of a right wing site coming up with something fairly funny This didn't get enough love. 
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a shameful boehner posted:This is pretty hilarious in that it confirms that people who have Good And Correct Opinions generally come together in urban areas and people with Wrong And Bad Opinions should be left isolated and left in the middle of bumfuck nowhere to enjoy those Wrong And Bad Opinions I got Norwich, VT, population 3,414 
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm glad you found some evidence that supports what I'm saying. No one is trying to ban her from insurance or anything like that at all. No scarlet letters too.
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm glad you found some evidence that supports what I'm saying. No one is trying to ban her from insurance or anything like that at all. No scarlet letters too. white knighting a fuckign pregnant woman holy loly
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The wife isn't being punished, her husband is. It was his coverage, and he did something bad, so keeping to the same standards others are held to, he should lose it when he gets fired. The wife is a victim of her husband's ill-considered actions, not from the system operating fairly. Good luck to her in finding a new insurance plan that is not dependent on her husband, who is a murderer. If universal health insurance was a thing, this wouldn't be a problem.
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JT Jag posted:The wife isn't being punished, her husband is. It was his coverage, and he did something bad, so keeping to the same standards others are held to, he should lose it when he gets fired. The wife is a victim of her husband's ill-considered actions, not from the system operating fairly. Good luck to her in finding a new insurance plan that is not dependent on her husband, who is a murderer. If universal health insurance was a thing, this wouldn't be a problem. "Tough tits, lady. I spit upon the charity offered you. Maybe next time you'll vote for UHC like me, a true progressive."
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R. Mute posted:Those quotes don't seem to be supporting what you're saying, Trabisnikof. I'm saying that there is a big different between "someone shouldn't get special treatment because they married a murdered" and "ban this women from healthcare!!!!" None of those quotes fall in the latter category. Its a rather subtle distinction apparently. Popular Thug Drink posted:"Tough tits, lady. I spit upon the charity offered you. Maybe next time you'll vote for UHC like me, a true progressive." It isn't charity when its the tax payer's money.
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JT Jag posted:The wife isn't being punished, her husband is. It was his coverage, and he did something bad, so keeping to the same standards others are held to, he should lose it when he gets fired. The wife is a victim of her husband's ill-considered actions, not from the system operating fairly. Good luck to her in finding a new insurance plan that is not dependent on her husband, who is a murderer. If universal health insurance was a thing, this wouldn't be a problem.
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