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gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

Furious Lobster posted:

Casanova's is up and I'm curious what the differences are between that and the Viz one. I thought Souma would have learned more cooking techniques from his father since much was made of his using poêle in one of the earliest chapters. Also, I guess that his visible mark on Shino's is to have his new dish chosen for the menu from one of his earlier failures.

He only knows techniques that were useful in the context of his dad's restaurants and doesn't know their names nor how they are used in the context of their original cuisines. Breadth rather than depth basically

Edit: Did they change the name for the school, or is it just a different reading of the kanji or something?

Edit2: yup, google translate will show totsuki for 遠月 and engetsuten for 遠月点, the latter of which is also a Chinese phrase related to lunar orbit. Wonder which one is actually correct for this

gwrtheyrn fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Apr 4, 2015

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Poops Mcgoots
Jul 12, 2010

gwrtheyrn posted:

He only knows techniques that were useful in the context of his dad's restaurants and doesn't know their names nor how they are used in the context of their original cuisines. Breadth rather than depth basically

Edit: Did they change the name for the school, or is it just a different reading of the kanji or something?

Edit2: yup, google translate will show totsuki for 遠月 and engetsuten for 遠月点, the latter of which is also a Chinese phrase related to lunar orbit. Wonder which one is actually correct for this

I'm assuming the lunar orbit one, since it played into the autumn election finals.

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

Captain McStabbin posted:

I'm assuming the lunar orbit one, since it played into the autumn election finals.

While you might be right, lunar orbit as in orbit around the moon not the moon around the earth. It's the equivalent of apogee, the most distant part of the orbit. Also, I asked a friend who is japanese, and he said "engetsu probably. literal translation being "forever moon," but who the gently caress actually knows. I assume they've actually established which one it is in japan since this has been out for ages, and one of the two groups (casanova/scanlators or subbers/CR) is incredibly lazy. I wonder which one it is :rolleyes:

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

I just watched the first episode and it was pretty alright. The food and the cooking was animated well, so they've got the most important part down. Though I might skip the next few episodes because I was really unimpressed by the first 5 or so chapters of the manga. The episode did remind me of how unrepresentative of the rest of the series the plot of the first chapter is. It's kind of weird.

kidcoelacanth
Sep 23, 2009

http://bato.to/read/_/314647/shokugeki-no-soma_ch113_by_casanova

New chapter, y'all

buzmeg
Jul 8, 2004
The Megg of Buzz
I'm a little disappointed in the author recently. He seems to have lost the "rules" that he put down for his own universe.

One of the reasons why Souma was such a "genius" was that his dad taught him the base techniques so that he didn't have to learn them. All he had to do was actually learn what they were named and what they were for.

This arc would be more ... consistent? ... if it were about learning coordination with other people (which he doesn't do much of--although Megumi arc showed he could do that too ...) rather than baseline cooking techniques (which, presumably, his father has already taught him).

It just feels like Souma is getting *less* competent rather than moreso as things progress.

DoubleDonut
Oct 22, 2010


Fallen Rib
So I'll give you burdock, and I'll admit I don't really know that much about food, but I'm not sure loving carrots have been forgotten by the west.

(I also can't find anything in English supporting that story about WW2 prisoners but I also didn't look very hard)

tobeannouncd
Oct 2, 2011

The tiger took my family

buzmeg posted:

I'm a little disappointed in the author recently. He seems to have lost the "rules" that he put down for his own universe.

One of the reasons why Souma was such a "genius" was that his dad taught him the base techniques so that he didn't have to learn them. All he had to do was actually learn what they were named and what they were for.

This arc would be more ... consistent? ... if it were about learning coordination with other people (which he doesn't do much of--although Megumi arc showed he could do that too ...) rather than baseline cooking techniques (which, presumably, his father has already taught him).

It just feels like Souma is getting *less* competent rather than moreso as things progress.

But this part of the arc isn't about basic techniques. Perhaps it needs more emphasis, but this environment is completely different to those in Restaurant Yukihira. Not only are the other chefs using cooking terms that Soma has never encountered before (which makes sense), the cooking is not based on orders coming in. The chefs have to prepare courses so that they come out at the exact right time, which requires a lot more forethought and planning.

I wouldn't say that Soma is getting less competent. Rather, the manga is exposing us (and Soma) to more and more aspects of cooking.

DoubleDonut posted:

(I also can't find anything in English supporting that story about WW2 prisoners but I also didn't look very hard)

It's mentioned briefly in Wikipedia, but there's no citation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctium_lappa

edit: There are some sources in the Japanese version of the page (12 and 13) http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B4%E3%83%9C%E3%82%A6

tobeannouncd fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Apr 9, 2015

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

buzmeg posted:

I'm a little disappointed in the author recently. He seems to have lost the "rules" that he put down for his own universe.

One of the reasons why Souma was such a "genius" was that his dad taught him the base techniques so that he didn't have to learn them. All he had to do was actually learn what they were named and what they were for.

This arc would be more ... consistent? ... if it were about learning coordination with other people (which he doesn't do much of--although Megumi arc showed he could do that too ...) rather than baseline cooking techniques (which, presumably, his father has already taught him).

It just feels like Souma is getting *less* competent rather than moreso as things progress.

The cooking techniques he's been learning this arc is french cuisine which seems more specialised and well exotic, than what his father probably would've taught him, so i'm okay with it. I actually kind of liked that the main thing he seemed to be learning this arc was how to deal with working in a class restaurant environment because one of his greatest strengths was always his experience working at Yukihara, and this kind of showed that he still had stuff to learn on the practical experience front as well.

Anyway, next chapter seems like it's going to be incredibly important because it seems to be building towards Soma creating his own speciality. Which is a pretty significant thing in terms of the themes the manga has been presenting because the reason he lost the Autumn tournament is because his cooking wasn't entirely his own but based on his father rather than having an independently developed style. So this is a big deal although I have no idea what happened in this arc to inspire him to discovering a specialty, but hey

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

buzmeg posted:

I'm a little disappointed in the author recently. He seems to have lost the "rules" that he put down for his own universe.

One of the reasons why Souma was such a "genius" was that his dad taught him the base techniques so that he didn't have to learn them. All he had to do was actually learn what they were named and what they were for.

This arc would be more ... consistent? ... if it were about learning coordination with other people (which he doesn't do much of--although Megumi arc showed he could do that too ...) rather than baseline cooking techniques (which, presumably, his father has already taught him).

It just feels like Souma is getting *less* competent rather than moreso as things progress.

No, Souma would be able to nail it if they used a term to cut the fish the right cut that he already knew. The hurdle for Souma is working in a kitchen and knowing instantly what terms refer to what in a different language. His sleepless night consisted of him memorizing what terms mean what so the second they shout it he can put it up without hesitation, as well as knowing what to prepare in advance.

Also, he's the outsider in a closely knit team, so he would obviously have problems adapting to their style and methods instantly. Being able to do it in 3 days is a sign of how talented and adaptable Souma is, plus he's willing to ask for help at every turn until he's caught up. Someone like Erica in the same position (as good as she is, working in a Michelin star kitchen means she's working with peers, all of whom have much more working experience) would just refuse to ask for help and struggle and/or fail.

Laphroaig
Feb 6, 2004

Drinking Smoke
Dinosaur Gum


gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

There aren't even the same number of people :colbert:

The Evil Thing
Jul 3, 2010

gwrtheyrn posted:

There aren't even the same number of people :colbert:

And Soma is sitting in Tadakoro's seat. :colbert:

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

The Evil Thing posted:

And Soma is sitting in Tadakoro's seat. :colbert:

:hf:


Also, turns out it is indeed totsuki and not engetsu.

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!
Chapter 114 is up in various places. Kind of uninteresting compared to the chapters leading up to it

Nahxela
Oct 11, 2008

Execution
Chapter start
http://mangadoom.co/Shokugeki-no-Soma/114/1/

http://mangadoom.co/Shokugeki-no-Soma/114/12/
I thought Toriko was on break this week.

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

And in this week's chapter, Soma fights gilgamesh

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo

gwrtheyrn posted:

And in this week's chapter, Soma fights gilgamesh

I've been playing FFXIV. This conjured up an image completely different from the Fate/stay/whatever one you intended. =P

That said, can you really get away with making a quail, pan-fried so the outside is crispy all around, stuffed with rice?

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.
Is there a thread for the Soma anime?

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!

Mraagvpeine posted:

Is there a thread for the Soma anime?

Not really, we've been discussing the anime here in this thread. Feel free to start an anime thread if you think it's necessary.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

SwissArmyDruid posted:

I've been playing FFXIV. This conjured up an image completely different from the Fate/stay/whatever one you intended. =P

That said, can you really get away with making a quail, pan-fried so the outside is crispy all around, stuffed with rice?

Wrapping it all the way back around, the Gilgamesh cutlet at the Eorzea Cafe is breaded chicken in gravy so it still works. Also you can stuff anything you want in a quail but rice is probably the laziest thing.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo

Eej posted:

Wrapping it all the way back around, the Gilgamesh cutlet at the Eorzea Cafe is breaded chicken in gravy so it still works. Also you can stuff anything you want in a quail but rice is probably the laziest thing.

Well, I mean, can you get away with doing that and passing the evaluation? I mean, I'm not getting any clues here out of sweating the onions, and pan-frying.

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.

Mikl posted:

Not really, we've been discussing the anime here in this thread. Feel free to start an anime thread if you think it's necessary.

I don't really need to start a thread. I just wanted to see the reactions people had to watching Soma for the first time.

Compendium
Jun 18, 2013

M-E-J-E-D

Mraagvpeine posted:

I don't really need to start a thread. I just wanted to see the reactions people had to watching Soma for the first time.

There's a few reactions from the Spring Season thread.

Generally, tentacles don't paint a very good impression. Kind of reminds you how this series takes a while to find its footing (let's be real it got better when it began to shift some focus on Megumi)

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

SwissArmyDruid posted:

Well, I mean, can you get away with doing that and passing the evaluation? I mean, I'm not getting any clues here out of sweating the onions, and pan-frying.

Reminder that Arato got away with making a Momofuku style pork bun but with soft-shelled turtle in a hamburger contest.

Neo_Crimson
Aug 15, 2011

"Is that your final dandy?"

Eej posted:

Reminder that Arato got away with making a Momofuku style pork bun but with soft-shelled turtle in a hamburger contest.

On the other hand she did lose that contest.

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

SwissArmyDruid posted:

Well, I mean, can you get away with doing that and passing the evaluation? I mean, I'm not getting any clues here out of sweating the onions, and pan-frying.

I'm sure there's a twist that will be revealed in the next chapter kind of like the chinese medicine bs that arato had for

Eej posted:

Reminder that Arato got away with making a Momofuku style pork bun but with soft-shelled turtle in a hamburger contest.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

Neo_Crimson posted:

On the other hand she did lose that contest.

She didn't lose it because she ran afoul of the spirit of the competition, she lost because spice man was too spicy for the judges

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
Yeah, I mean spice man won with a gyro.

tobeannouncd
Oct 2, 2011

The tiger took my family
The new Weekly Jump issue is out if you have access. The translation is much, much better.

vibratingsheep
Nov 2, 2013

Fudou, Gunzou. The Face of the Franchise Killer. 2004.

SwissArmyDruid posted:

I've been playing FFXIV. This conjured up an image completely different from the Fate/stay/whatever one you intended. =P

That said, can you really get away with making a quail, pan-fried so the outside is crispy all around, stuffed with rice?

You must never forget the eggs in an oyakodon. There will be quail eggs in there and it will be pants-creamingly delicious because ohhhh yes quail eggs.

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

vibratingsheep posted:

There will be quail eggs in there and it will be pants-creamingly delicious because ohhhh yes quail eggs.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

vibratingsheep posted:

You must never forget the eggs in an oyakodon. There will be quail eggs in there and it will be pants-creamingly delicious because ohhhh yes quail eggs.

It's probably going to be a call-back to that egg dish he made for Erina or something like that. A dish he's made before that he incorporated french tecnhiques and flavors into.

It's been a while since I read the first few chapters, but in the anime Erina's seething hatred of Soma seems to consist of "he wasn't born into privilege and even though he's skilled he must be destroyed so other commoners know their place"

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

pentyne posted:

It's been a while since I read the first few chapters, but in the anime Erina's seething hatred of Soma seems to consist of "he wasn't born into privilege and even though he's skilled he must be destroyed so other commoners know their place"

The anime has been pretty close to the manga so far. It's not so much that he wasn't born into privilege so much as his demeanor and background combined--she doesn't apparently have problems with tadokoro even though her background is even more meager than Soma's, but Tadokoro also doesn't antagonize Erina. She also had no problem with ridiculing all of the people who ran away

pentyne posted:

It's probably going to be a call-back to that egg dish he made for Erina or something like that. A dish he's made before that he incorporated french tecnhiques and flavors into.
I doubt it's in any way related to what he made for the exam.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

pentyne posted:

It's been a while since I read the first few chapters, but in the anime Erina's seething hatred of Soma seems to consist of "he wasn't born into privilege and even though he's skilled he must be destroyed so other commoners know their place"

She hates him because she thought he was a bad cook and didn't want to admit him into the school. Then she actually tasted his dish and found out it was delicious and now hates him forever and wants him out of the school because she cannot admit to herself that she was wrong.

SyntheticPolygon fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Apr 14, 2015

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
Truly the lead heroine we deserve.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Eej posted:

Truly the lead heroine we deserve.

Megumi's the heroine. She has more screentime, focus, character growth, and is way cooler.

Erina is very much the insufferable rival character.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

SyntheticPolygon posted:

Megumi's the heroine. She has more screentime, focus, character growth, and is way cooler.

Erina is very much the insufferable rival character.

It seems pretty obvious that in another arc or 2 (depending on how slow they go) once Erina founds out who Soma's father is (her super crush) she'll probably change her tone and reluctantly start helping Soma after he starts butting heads with the other elite 10 who are total assholes (the smug guy in charge of that chicken franchise)

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

pentyne posted:

It seems pretty obvious that in another arc or 2 (depending on how slow they go) once Erina founds out who Soma's father is (her super crush) she'll probably change her tone and reluctantly start helping Soma after he starts butting heads with the other elite 10 who are total assholes (the smug guy in charge of that chicken franchise)

Hey, not all the elite 10 are assholes. Naked Apron Senpai is a cool dude, worthy of respect.

But yeah, it seems like Erina will be getting some more focus going forward, her and Arato still need to become buddies again. Hopefully she just won't interact with Soma too much, that's when she's at her most annoying.

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SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo

vibratingsheep posted:

You must never forget the eggs in an oyakodon. There will be quail eggs in there and it will be pants-creamingly delicious because ohhhh yes quail eggs.

This non-viz, non-Casanova scan doesn't use the word oyakodon. It just says donburi. Although I grant you, oyakodon is probably a given because quail.

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