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Radbot posted:Understandable when you can't comprehend how America's social insurance programs work. Well you see she already has insurance and is in and use to whatever system of doctors that insurance works with but I guess I'm just white knighting a pregnant woman for thinking that having to get new insurance and maybe new doctors with a month left in the pregnancy is a bad thing.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:08
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Apr 9, 2015 23:08
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Trabisnikof posted:Her husbands actions are the only reason she first got health insurance then is what is allowing her to get special treatment. If it wasn't for her husband's actions she wouldn't have gotten the special extension.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:08
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Oh wow, from the way you were hammering on about how you truly understood the plight of the poor on a deep and personal level I figured you'd have more than a whopping four notches on your belt. Sorry that wasn't enough for you. How many have you helped, again? Raskolnikov38 posted:Well you see she already has insurance and is in and use to whatever system of doctors that insurance works with but I guess I'm just white knighting a pregnant woman for thinking that having to get new insurance and maybe new doctors with a month left in the pregnancy is a bad thing. I'm honestly more concerned about the man who was murdered than the inconvenience of an unrelated party. I own that.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:09
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Evil Fluffy posted:Calling it a raid implies it wasn't actually a setup to kill him, which it was. The cops with him knew what to expect which is why they made sure to leave as he tried to get in the door where someone with a gun just happened to be waiting to shoot him immediately. The cop that did respond later mentioned if they realized who they were helping they'd have let him die instead. A few pages back but gently caress it, this thread goes too fast to care. I was reading Tales from the Stakeout Squad, about Jim Cirillo and others who were part of a controversial NYPD unit of the 60s and 70s. They were placed in the back of stores, banks, etc. that were repeatedly robbed and would jump out and confront attempted robbers; I can't comment on their efficacy, though as far as I know they didn't shoot any unarmed people (though they gladly shot armed people who ran, and there was one story of the clerk at the pharmacy they were staking out shooting someone who just had his finger sticking out of his coat and the officer on duty told him that they'd stage it so the clerk wouldn't get convicted for it). Cirillo commented on the Serpico case, and his opinion is quite damning for the NYPD at the time. He and other officers viewed Serpico as essentially a tattletale who had gotten officers in trouble for breaking regulations in the past, and said that "if he didn't want to get involved, he shouldn't have asked to transfer to Narcotics." Cirillo even painted the theft of drugs by the vice squad in a positive light, as they used the drugs to bribe junkies to snitch. Accounts of Cirillo don't paint him as a bad cop and he apparently negotiated and talked to people instead of abusing them and to make them more reticent to arrest, but he certainly wasn't the kind to let regulation stand in the way of what he viewed as justice. And even though initially he was aghast at the idea of killing other people and almost didn't volunteer for SOU, he and his partner eventually got so eager to experiment with their custom handloads that they were nicknamed "the two ghouls" for rushing into the morgue to examine the remains of their victims to see how the bullets performed in soft tissue. Don't think he ever enjoyed killing, but he seems to have rapidly desensitized.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:09
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Trabisnikof posted:Really you all should just donate if you're that worried and overflowing with compassion: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/michael-t-slager-support-fund haha oh man, good poo poo. i bet he likes murdercop. hell, i bet he white knights a pregnant woman even.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:09
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Radbot posted:Sorry that wasn't enough for you. How many have you helped, again? Actually, I volunteer a large amount of my time with the mentally challenged. At least an hour or two every day, in fact.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:10
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Well you see she already has insurance and is in and use to whatever system of doctors that insurance works with but I guess I'm just white knighting a pregnant woman for thinking that having to get new insurance and maybe new doctors with a month left in the pregnancy is a bad thing. It is a bad thing, but that doesn't mean an exception should be made just for her while we ignore all the awful things that are happening to non-cop-wives. R. Mute posted:Who cares? Whatever reason, the state's willing to help her. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, et al. We're not the ones receiving the gift, we're the ones paying for it. I agree she should probably take the deal, but it doesn't make it good policy for the rest of us.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:10
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Radbot posted:Like I said, I've helped four people get signed up for Medicaid, since you asked. One of them had their poo poo genuinely saved as they didn't know about retroactive eligibility, the other three probably would've figured it out themselves to be honest.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:10
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Trabisnikof posted:Her husbands actions are the only reason she first got health insurance then is what is allowing her to get special treatment. If it wasn't for her husband's actions she wouldn't have gotten the special extension. lol, yes thinking his pregnant wife should take the help offered her is EXACTLY THE SAME as supporting the murderer husband
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Apr 9, 2015 23:10
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R. Mute posted:Why should her husband's actions factor into this? The state's willing to help, simple as that. R. Mute posted:Who cares? Whatever reason, the state's willing to help her. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, et al.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:10
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Actually, I volunteer a large amount of my time with the mentally challenged. At least an hour or two every day, in fact. That's awesome. Good for you, PTD. R. Mute posted:Me, personally, I've helped sign up five people. One more than you. That's fantastic, man. It seems a bit coincidental, but I'm glad to hear it. Finally, some people are interested in helping people instead of scoring points on a message board.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:10
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Apr 9, 2015 23:11
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Radbot posted:I'm honestly more concerned about the man who was murdered than the inconvenience of an unrelated party. I own that. Oh I'm sorry, I was too busy white knighting a pregnant woman to realize that this was an either/or situation and not a bunch of morons wanting to punish his wife for something she had nothing to do.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:12
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Trabisnikof posted:We're not the ones receiving the gift, we're the ones paying for it. I agree she should probably take the deal, but it doesn't make it good policy for the rest of us. JT Jag posted:It is not the role of the state to pick and choose individuals who deserve its 'charity'.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:12
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lol, yes thinking his pregnant wife should take the help offered her is EXACTLY THE SAME as supporting the murderer husband Glad we've moved the goalposts from "is it good policy to give special treatment to the families of criminal cops" to "should someone accept free insurance they get because they married a murderer." I agree, she should take the deal. Doesn't make it a good deal for the rest of us. R. Mute posted:You'd be the one paying for UHC too. At least that would be universal policy. We won't get UHC by providing insurance benefits to the families of criminal cops and they aren't even the most in need population.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:12
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whitey delenda est posted:150 new posts huh I wonder who died... A black man. Which is why 150 posts have been about a white woman.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:13
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Oh I'm sorry, I was too busy white knighting a pregnant woman to realize that this was an either/or situation and not a bunch of morons wanting to punish his wife for something she had nothing to do. It's OK, no problem.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:13
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R. Mute posted:But until UHC is enacted, shouldn't we take whatever we can get for the time being?
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Apr 9, 2015 23:14
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Apr 9, 2015 23:14
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Don't doxx Fried Chicken
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Apr 9, 2015 23:15
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Trabisnikof posted:Glad we've moved the goalposts from "is it good policy to give special treatment to the families of criminal cops" to "should someone accept free insurance they get because they married a murderer." Oh no a pregnant woman is getting health insurance, what an awful deal for the rest of us and totally not a chance to vent police outrage on a person who committed no crime.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:15
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Popular Thug Drink posted:And? We should give everyone the benefit of the doubt, not punish the wife of a murderer because we don't like police. This is wrong, and they should be forced to flee the state with a mob chasing them. Also ensure that the kid has access to police explorer scholarships when they enter Liberty University. Nonsense fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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Apr 9, 2015 23:15
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Apr 9, 2015 23:16
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Oh no a pregnant woman is getting health insurance, what an awful deal for the rest of us and totally not a chance to vent police outrage on a person who committed no crime. It's funny how you choose to rage against a few posters on this forum, which helps no one, instead of raging against the SC legislature who are the only people who could have ensured this woman would have appropriate medical care regardless of whether her insurance was extended. Whether or not this woman will actually be covered is meaningless to you, it's more important to get those gotchas in. Funny in a sad way, I mean.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:18
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In which the Daily Caller's media "reporter" is caught with a failing sarcasm detector.zoux posted:Is that someone or just a rando shithead? Just some guy at Rand's South Carolina rally today.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:19
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Trabisnikof posted:At least that would be universal policy. We won't get UHC by providing insurance benefits to the families of criminal cops and they aren't even the most in need population. JT Jag posted:Of course she should take what she's offered. Without hesitation. Take it with both hands. It's not her fault that the government has double-standards.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:19
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How does one "use" a bible? Like... to prop up a wobbly table leg, or maybe to kill bugs?
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Apr 9, 2015 23:20
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Radbot posted:It's funny how you choose to rage against a few posters on this forum, which helps no one, instead of raging against the SC legislature who are the only people who could have ensured this woman would have appropriate medical care regardless of whether her insurance was extended. Whether or not this woman will actually be covered is meaningless to you, it's more important to get those gotchas in. Well the SC legislature isn't in this thread unironically saying 'white knighting a pregnant woman' so you'll have to do until someone buys them accounts.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:21
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whitey delenda est posted:How does one "use" a bible? Like... to prop up a wobbly table leg, or maybe to kill bugs? You should see his grouping down at the bible range.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:21
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Oh no a pregnant woman is getting health insurance, what an awful deal for the rest of us and totally not a chance to vent police outrage on a person who committed no crime. Its just another example of how police get treated insanely better than the rest of us, yes. Even if a cop gets fired and his union refuses to defend him, even then, he'll still be able to work out a special deal for free insurance for his family. What a world to live in...where not getting that special deal is considering "being punished." R. Mute posted:You won't, but that doesn't mean you should be against the state trying to help her. UHC's a whole different issue. I'm against the state giving her a special deal because she's the wife of a cop and because there are people who are more in need than she is who won't get help because they didn't marry a cop.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:21
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Well the SC legislature isn't in this thread unironically saying 'white knighting a pregnant woman' so you'll have to do until someone buys them accounts. I did say that, yes! Feel free to quote the post, too. And I mean it when I say I'd keep the av around if you want to buy it, too. You gonna do it?
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Apr 9, 2015 23:22
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm against the state trying to help her because she's the wife of a cop At least you're honest. Thank you for this.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:22
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whitey delenda est posted:How does one "use" a bible? Like... to prop up a wobbly table leg, or maybe to kill bugs? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganglion_cyst
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Apr 9, 2015 23:23
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm against the state trying to help her because she's the wife of a cop and because there are people who are more in need than she is who won't get help because they didn't marry a cop.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:23
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Popular Thug Drink posted:At least you're honest. Thank you for this. The only way you score a point is by literally removing words from a sentence to make it mean what you want it to mean. Get better.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:23
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Popular Thug Drink posted:At least you're honest. Thank you for this. What a gotcha there. It was poor phrasing, I was trying to say that I was against the state giving special deals to the relatives of cops. Of course you've won the gotcha war, I can't deny that. R. Mute posted:That's not a very good reason. It's not like the state only has one person left that they can help and she's filling up that spot. Let the state help her and demand UHC, you don't have to pick between the two. I'm saying that she's only getting help because she married someone in a position of authority. That's hosed up and anti-democratic (even if its common).
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Apr 9, 2015 23:23
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Trabisnikof posted:What a gotcha there. It was poor phrasing, I was trying to say that I was against the state giving special deals to the relatives of cops. Of course you've won the gotcha war, I can't deny that. I think I won the gotcha war when I was described as "white knighting a pregnant woman" Regardless of whatever the murdercop did, it is not a good thing to call for equal treatment by making the wife's pregnancy more difficult. There is no way you can switch insurance on a woman in her third trimester and frame this as an ethical or moral thing to do. Calling for equivalency does not highlight bad treatment, it in fact perpetuates it.
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whitey delenda est posted:How does one "use" a bible? Like... to prop up a wobbly table leg, or maybe to kill bugs? You use it to banish the gay demons from people.
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