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Powercrazy posted:So if you are drunk in your house in Colorado and you own a gun you are breaking the law? quote:As far as federal law is concerned, you are already overtly violating it by consuming a schedule 1 substance, so the firearm isn't really that important.
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Elotana posted:Also, this puts CO on a pace for about two deaths a year directly attributable to legal pot. How does this compare to vending machine fatalities?
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Mar 26, 2015 22:28
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How are u posted:My god...it's an epidemic. Mothers, hide your children!
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Mar 26, 2015 22:38
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Powercrazy posted:So if you are drunk in your house in Colorado and you own a gun you are breaking the law? I assume a felony? Doesn't that seem like a problem? Surely there is a stipulation like "in a public place", or like Texas "in a place where alcohol is served." Others have covered it, but using a gun (like that kid did) while drunk or on any other substance is a crime pretty much anywhere. You can get arrested for target shooting after a few beers, for example. This is a good law, in my opinion. quote:As far as federal law is concerned, you are already overtly violating it by consuming a schedule 1 substance, so the firearm isn't really that important. Even at the federal level, a couple grams of pot isn't that big of a deal. But including a gun ramps that up ridiculously, I believe you can get 10-15 years easily for having both in your possession at the same time. It's really not complicated, put away your guns before using psychoactive substances. The problem here wasn't the marijuana, it was that he introduced a gun into the situation. What kind of moron keeps a loaded gun in his pocket before getting absurdly high?
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Mar 26, 2015 23:14
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Others have covered it, but using a gun (like that kid did) while drunk or on any other substance is a crime pretty much anywhere. You can get arrested for target shooting after a few beers, for example. This is a good law, in my opinion. Not in Virginia, and no it's almost as dumb as prohibition in general.
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Mar 26, 2015 23:17
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Series DD Funding posted:Not in Virginia, and no it's almost as dumb as prohibition in general. https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308.012 http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dmv168.pdf (Last paragraph) AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Mar 26, 2015 |
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Mar 26, 2015 23:19
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Still waiting for the day someone with a nut allergy eats a hash brownie (clearly labelled with nut warning) goes into anaphylactic shock and dies.
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Mar 26, 2015 23:21
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That's concealed carry, not possession in general.
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Mar 26, 2015 23:22
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It's technically illegal to purchase a firearm from a dealer if you even smoke pot, because you have to lie on ATF form 4473: https://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf Question 11e posted:Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?
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Series DD Funding posted:That's concealed carry, not possession in general. They might be able to get you for https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-56.1 , but it seems like you're right in general, firing a gun while intoxicated does not appear to be per se illegal in Virginia unless you're hunting. My mistake, I was under the impression it was illegal to operate a gun while drunk pretty much everywhere.
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KingEup posted:Still waiting for the day someone with a nut allergy eats a hash brownie (clearly labelled with nut warning) goes into anaphylactic shock and dies. Reminder that the DEA frantically tried to warn people that legalization in Colorado could kill your dog, because they might eat your pot brownies and die. From the chocolate, not the weed, they admitted. Not at all kidding: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/04/04/dea-administrator-claims-that-marijuana-legalization-imperils-dogs/
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Mar 26, 2015 23:55
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The gun issue aside, what kind of douchebag takes somebody new to pot to buy a bunch of edibles, lets them take too much, and then just abandons them when they're obviously having a bad reaction? Not that your first thought should be that he's gonna kill or even physically hurt himself, but still way to look out for your cousin, dude. Hopefully these are the sort of issues we start to see more education around- I mean I doubt any reasonable person would watch a first time drinker pound a bottle of vodka then just leave them passed out somewhere, but stories like these really highlight the lack of comparable understanding of cannabis.
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Reztes posted:I mean I doubt any reasonable person would watch a first time drinker pound a bottle of vodka then just leave them passed out somewhere, but stories like these really highlight the lack of comparable understanding of cannabis. Marijuana is just a plant so no one ever needs to worry about it.
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To be fair if a friend of mine was having a crazy freak out bad trip and I knew he had a gun on him I'd think twice about trying to disarm him. I don't want to get shot. But i'm not stupid enough to hang out with (much less drink or smoke with) people who carry guns to begin with so 
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Mar 27, 2015 00:23
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My cousin was an alcoholic depressed person who got drunk and hung himself. Alcohol should be illegal!
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computer parts posted:Marijuana is just a plant so no one ever needs to worry about it. Grapes, wheat, and potatoes are plants too.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Grapes, wheat, and potatoes are plants too. Ban jelly, bread, and french fries for making people obese! 
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Reminder that the DEA frantically tried to warn people that legalization in Colorado could kill your dog, because they might eat your pot brownies and die. loving lol. This is why I usually refer to prohibtionists as prohibidiots. quote:Summary: Soda pop vending machine tipping continues to be a dangerous behavior that can result in lethal or crippling injuries. This study analyzes 64 cases of injuries secondary to crushing by a soda machine. All were male victims except one. The average age was 19.8 years with a range of 5-39 years. Thirteen victims sustained multiple trauma. Fifteen victims were killed. Increased public awareness coupled with support by the government and private industry has contributed to a sharp reduction in incidence of accidents and improved public safety.http://journals.lww.com/jorthotrauma/abstract/1992/06000/soda_pop_vending_machine_injuries__an_update.9.aspx Help, I'm trapped underneath a cannabis vending machine! Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWY79JCfhjw KingEup fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Mar 27, 2015 |
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Mar 27, 2015 04:33
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computer parts posted:Marijuana is just a plant so no one ever needs to worry about it. Obviously this is flawed logic in itself but if you're talking about marijuana kept in plant form and smoked/vaped it's pretty much true. It's pretty hard for someone to inadvertently smoke themselves to the level of intoxification that's possible from eating a massive dose of edibles like this kid did because once you get too high you just won't take another hit.
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Mar 27, 2015 06:31
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Kleiman and Sabet in conversation: https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkARKleiman/status/581280901453107200 Shitlords. The both of them.
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Mar 27, 2015 06:44
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SedanChair posted:It's technically illegal to purchase a firearm from a dealer if you even smoke pot, because you have to lie on ATF form 4473: Wait a minute I can't parse this in a way that allows cigarette smokers to own guns 
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Mar 27, 2015 07:28
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eSports Chaebol posted:Wait a minute I can't parse this in a way that allows cigarette smokers to own guns Controlled Substances Act posted:The term "controlled substance" means a drug or other substance, or immediate precursor, included in schedule I, II, III, IV, or V of part B of this subchapter. The term does not include distilled spirits, wine, malt beverages, or tobacco, as those terms are defined or used in subtitle E of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986.
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DC held its Cannabis Seed Share at an absinthe bar in AdMo yesterday, where somewhere towards a thousand people lined up around the block to each get six free cannabis seeds from the campaign, which is legal under DC law. I'm only sporadically seeing stats updates, but DC used to average around 400+ marijuana arrests per month, and per the Post in the last month they've had 26 arrests.
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Its still pretty surreal. I was in Spanaway, WA the other day and there was a dude on the corner waving a sign that was like "Marijuana! $10 a gram! No Rx Needed!" and a sheriff was in front of me and I was just like woah, this is weird.
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Mar 27, 2015 16:54
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Reztes posted:The gun issue aside, what kind of douchebag takes somebody new to pot to buy a bunch of edibles, lets them take too much, and then just abandons them when they're obviously having a bad reaction?
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Being in Alaska, practically everyone I know who smokes weed also owns a firearm so that whole thing makes me 
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Reason posted:Its still pretty surreal. I was in Spanaway, WA the other day and there was a dude on the corner waving a sign that was like "Marijuana! $10 a gram! No Rx Needed!" and a sheriff was in front of me and I was just like woah, this is weird. I need to drive south, wow. Auburn's prices are terribad.
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North Carolina's medical marijuana bill got shot down, with "it's a schedule I drug" being a big part of the rebuttal. Probably didn't help that all the sponsors were Democrat, making it a partisan issue. Here's a blurb about it from NC Family Policy Council: http://www.ncfamily.org/alert-marijuana-bill-goes-up-in-smoke/ On a side note, I've yet to see any counterargument to the contention that the word "family" is a red flag for any political organization. EDIT: In more positive news, Georgia is just about to institute their medical marijuana bill. It's pretty weak though, only allows CBD oil, and only for 9 conditions: Sen. Renee Unterman's Health and Human Services Committee deleted fibromyalgia from the list, leaving seizure disorders, sickle cell anemia, cancer, Crohn's disease, Lou Gehrig's disease (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), multiple sclerosis, mitochondrial disease and Parkinson's disease. TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Mar 28, 2015 |
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I'm not totally clear as to what Maine has going on. I read one article saying that a RMJ group had submitted its petition and was cleared to start gathering signatures; they need like 63,000 by January 2016 to get on the ballot. But apparently there are two different ballot measure groups, one by the national MPP and one by Legalize Maine, and I'm not clear why they're not just working together on this one. Also, there's a third course: a state legislator is trying to get a commercial legalization bill passed through the legislature. One article specifically mentions that the association of dispensary growers in Maine " hopes Dion's bill will get the question before voters in November." There are a couple ways to read that, but the simplest one appears that the dispensary owners see Dion's bill as more advantageous to them than the initiatives, which makes me initially suspicious. Does Dion's outlaw home growing, or hand current dispensaries a monopoly? http://www.wcsh6.com/story/news/local/2015/03/27/maine-marijuana-bill/70548398/ Do we have anyone in the thread working in the ME cannabis politics scene? In separate weed news, the DCMJ handed out free cannabis seeds to something over 1,000 people. Two separate events, one at the Libertine absinthe bar and one at DCMJ HQ on Embassy Row. Slightly sad news in that DCMJ is going to have to shut down per campaign finance laws in DC, since you can't keep running a campaign more than X many days after it wins, so in the near future expect to see a lot of its people dissolve and reform into a new DC cannabis advocacy group. Eidinger will be back running one or more large headshops in DC, so will be interesting to see how openly pro-weed business groups play a role, given how small a city DC is. I'd imagine that given how small DC is and how much we lack actual heavy or even light industry, retail and hospitality have to be disproportionately powerful business interests, all things being relative. And once we get stores, it is almost a given that cannabis will be literally the largest agricultural sector in the District, since we have almost no commercial agriculture to speak of. It is entirely possible that there is not one single cow in our entire (non)-state.
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Dammit Arizona, looks like they may end up with two competing pro-legalization initiatives. Is this going to become "a thing" for a bunch of states in the 2016 run up? http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2015/03/27/another-pot-legalization-initiative-emerges/70561316/ When there are at least two competing initiatives, it is usually a safe guess that one is more based on a national-level policy organization and its statewide chapters, and one more composed by established marijuana interests already doing business in the state? Is this going to be a huge problem going forward? You can get all  here and wonder if some of these competing initiatives were not made to win, but just to dilute the efforts of an existing initiative that has potential?In other AZ news, minor blog coverage of a Maricopa County District Attorney's response when a guy stood up at a town hall meeting to say that he's a Vietnam Vet who smokes cannabis: quote:“Well, then you’re violating the law, and I have no respect for you,” Montgomery responded. The brief video is worth watching for the sheer sanctimonious nastiness: http://www.abc15.com/news/region-ph...arijuana-debate If you needed more convincing that large chunks of AZ suck, the Vavapai County Public Prosecutor is spearheading an anti-legalization movement, and sketchily declared that they'll except funding "from anyone who will contribute". This one seems kinda unseemly to me, that she's leveraging her appointed public position to oppose a political campaign. Maybe it's just my bias from working in the military and in the federal government, where it's very explicitly disallowed to visibly participate in politics, even in your spare time, since it could be seen as tacit endorsement by the Executive Branch. But apparently that's not the case in various states where you have public prosecutors and county sheriffs jumping into the mix. http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2015/03/11/arizona-pot-opponents-organizing-fight-legalization/70165254/ TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Dammit Arizona, looks like they may end up with two competing pro-legalization initiatives. Is this going to become "a thing" for a bunch of states in the 2016 run up? http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2015/03/27/another-pot-legalization-initiative-emerges/70561316/ I was there for that debate. I know the attorney in question, Marc Victor. If you search YouTube with his name and the word, "debate," you'll come up with a complete version of the entire event. If I had a beef, I'd probably hire him to represent me. Montgomery is widely liked in conservative circles, and held in contempt elsewhere. He is especially disliked among the weed community for his rabid pursuit of MMJ people and use of questionable legal ploys. Sheila Polk is the one to watch. Parenthetically, there is no love lost between her and Montgomery due to disagreements that have little bearing on the cannabis question. Polk and her friends have recently established a PAC, presumably to launder the money they expect to collect from Sheldon Adelson for the upcoming campaign. Yes, there is a lot of poo poo going on in the community about the now two competing measures. The text of neither is available as I write this, but should be soon. The crux of the local controversy has to do with (briefly) those who want to win first but are willing to sacrifice on some points (e.g. growing rights) and those who want to push a more radical agenda (at the extreme: treat pot like tomatoes). The discussion is complicated by the sub rosa nature of the MPP proposition discussion and a perception that some of the existing dispensaries have been actively working both with the MPP to exclude growing rights, and more importantly with the cops to gently caress over black/gray market producers and distributors. Among the local activist community some of the aforementioned dispensary owners are perceived as essentially wealthy carpet baggers who benefit from our hard work getting medical passed here yet have the gall to turn around and back stab us over money. This poo poo has become very interesting, and not in a good way.
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http://bangordailynews.com/2015/04/07/politics/state-house/toke-4-former-sheriff-adds-his-own-plan-to-legalize-pot-in-maine/ posted:AUGUSTA, Maine — For Rep. Diane Russell, D-Portland, it’s not a matter of if Maine will legalize marijuana for recreational use, but how it will do so. This is the full text of the article, sorry for the spam. There was too much I liked to shorten it and I think it addresses some of the previous questions TTFA had WRT Maine.
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Yeah, this appears to be getting (internally) nasty in a number of states. It's kinda ridiculous seeing this kind of fighting in states that don't really have much real opposition, they just have violently opposed pro- groups. Off the top of my head, Arizona, Ohio, Maine, and maybe Michigan have some real tangles of different pro-legal folks stomping on each other trying to get their own legislation passed. A couple states have some "issues" with politicians racing to pass their own stuff before initiatives can. Whether because they want credit for it, or because they think their own legislation will be less radical and more controllable than what initiatives would do. A past example being Florida's Republican severely weaksauce nod to MMJ in desperate attempt to take the wind out of the legalization initiative. Though honestly I don't find politicians trying to out-run initiatives surprising; to the contrary, what I find kinda weird is places like Massachusetts where they're almost inarguably going to have weed on the 2016 ballot, it polls really high, and yet, per one news report, MA legislators have "no appetite" to even touch the issue. Just as my personal call, I'm kinda in favor of "by whatever means" getting weed legalized. The arrest thing would be one issue, though for me personally decriminalization and movements like wiping past non-violent weed offenses meet that just fine. But even if you have a state where they've done a really good job removing the socio-economic problems of weed criminalization, I'm still overall a supporter of even "meh" legalization steps because each state added gets closer to forcing the federal government to finally just legalize nationally. Yes, it would suck to create an Ohio cartel, but having a swing-state with entrenched marijuana interests would make it that much harder for the feds to hand-wave this away. Honestly, having gotten over my youthful libertard phase, I'd be okay with states having relatively strict control over sales, such as strong preferences for locally-based companies, companies with a serious claim to cultural/artisanal value, coops and non-profits, etc. And of course I absolutely support allowing home-growth because it's a ridiculous blowjob to industry to not let people grow plants. While I know that a lot of the anti- bullshit about "preventing the next Big Tobacco" is bullshit concern trolling to just slam on the brakes, I agree with some of the core sentiment. Not to get too idealistic, but I'd expect that smaller companies for tobacco/marijuana/alcohol would to some degree ameliorate the sociopathic "let's get sales even if it fucks thousands of people over by horribly manipulating our product" traits of large-scale capitalism. I'd be 100% fine with strict regulation as to advertising, like only allowing cannabis ads in locations where only potential legal buyers would see them. To quote DJ Quik from the 1990s (about a different drug): "they don't sell dope/ it sells itself". EDIT: Andy Harris (R-MD), the dickbag who keeps trying to pass legalization, won Washnington City Paper's (main alt-rag) award for "Best Villain" of 2014: http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/bestofdc/peopleandplaces/2015/best-villain
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Wouldn't the ease of growing your own weed as opposed to tobacco limit the ability of a BIG WEED to form? Even if some states keep growing illegal I doubt that stops people unless cops ask to see your receipt for that weed.
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AirCav58 posted:Wouldn't the ease of growing your own weed as opposed to tobacco limit the ability of a BIG WEED to form? Even if some states keep growing illegal I doubt that stops people unless cops ask to see your receipt for that weed. No matter how easy it is to make it's not going to be easier than rolling up to a store and buying some, especially if interstate restrictions are removed.
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AirCav58 posted:Wouldn't the ease of growing your own weed as opposed to tobacco limit the ability of a BIG WEED to form? No, but most people have no reason to be upset about BIG WEED in the first place.
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computer parts posted:No matter how easy it is to make it's not going to be easier than rolling up to a store and buying some, especially if interstate restrictions are removed. Depends, it could literally be as easy as chucking seeds out your back door. You're not gonna get great weed, but that's pretty easy.
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Full Battle Rattle posted:Depends, it could literally be as easy as chucking seeds out your back door. You're not gonna get great weed, but that's pretty easy. There's additional (if minor) processing that has to be done before you can smoke it. Plus, time is not worthless.
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Full Battle Rattle posted:Depends, it could literally be as easy as chucking seeds out your back door. You're not gonna get great weed, but that's pretty easy. Making a sandwich is incredibly easy and people still flock to Subway.
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For the majority of people it would be easier to just go to the store, but for rural people cultivating or simply letting it grow wild and then curing it could be easier.
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