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TheKingofSprings posted:Sakurai's vision is a world where everyone has Shulk's vision
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Apr 13, 2015 01:41
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Whatev posted:I am guessing the reason playing defensively is usually so advantageous is because none of the devs played the game like that. It was probably an accident, haha. I'm pretty sure the reason it worked out like that is most of the devs can't play their own game  E: Then again Melee exists so I'm pretty sure at least Sakurai can play his own game and chooses not to/has crippling calcific tendonitis and blames Smash TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Apr 13, 2015 |
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Apr 13, 2015 01:44
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Cause nobody on the development team is a WIMP. Go big or go home.
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Apr 13, 2015 01:44
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We should play the game as Sakurai truly envisioned it: controlling two characters at once, a controller in each hand.
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Apr 13, 2015 01:45
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Whatev posted:I am guessing the reason playing defensively is usually so advantageous is because none of the devs played the game like that. It was probably an accident, haha. Yeah the game is surprisingly well-balanced for how many characters there are and it holds up really well when everyone is of the mindset that they want to attack and win, no one thought about if you just stood still and waited for openings to come to you. The game plays great if everyone plays it the "right" way but one passive idiot sours the entire tone of every match, every time.
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Apr 13, 2015 01:45
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Reiley posted:Yeah the game is surprisingly well-balanced for how many characters there are and it holds up really well when everyone is of the mindset that they want to attack and win, no one thought about if you just stood still and waited for openings to come to you. It would be kind of annoying if their fix to that turned out to be to tighten the time limit on idling
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Apr 13, 2015 01:46
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I hope none of the third party characters get in smash other than Layton.
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Apr 13, 2015 01:46
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mabels big day posted:I hope none of the third party characters get in smash other than Layton. I hope everyone gets into Smash Bros.
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TheKingofSprings posted:I hope everyone gets into Smash Bros. Keep the undesirables out.
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Apr 13, 2015 01:48
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TheKingofSprings posted:It would be kind of annoying if their fix to that turned out to be to tighten the time limit on idling There are a lot of ways to gently caress it up and I honestly don't have my hopes up for them doing the good thing, but there's still that one ray of hope...
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Apr 13, 2015 01:48
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Gaffle posted:We should play the game as Sakurai truly envisioned it: controlling two characters at once, a controller in each hand. I imagine him screaming like an insane person the whole time, every time he does this.
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Apr 13, 2015 01:49
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TheKingofSprings posted:It would be kind of annoying if their fix to that turned out to be to tighten the time limit on idling People should automatically trip if no option is chosen for over two seconds.
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Apr 13, 2015 01:49
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Can someone tell me exactly how the ledge mechanics work in Smash 4? I just played a bunch of matches as Falcon against a ZSS, and every single time I went for a spike and missed they would then hit me after I grabbed the ledge and I would ricochet off the side of the stage and die. I know repeated grabs don't have invincibility but I thought the first one does? How does this mechanic work and how do I take advantage of it when trying to kill recovering players?
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Apr 13, 2015 01:54
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Gaffle posted:We should play the game as Sakurai truly envisioned it: controlling two characters at once, a controller in each hand. All while simultaneously playing the 3DS version with your feet.
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Apr 13, 2015 01:58
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Reiley posted:Yeah the game is surprisingly well-balanced for how many characters there are and it holds up really well when everyone is of the mindset that they want to attack and win, no one thought about if you just stood still and waited for openings to come to you. The game plays great if everyone plays it the "right" way but one passive idiot sours the entire tone of every match, every time.
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Apr 13, 2015 02:01
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TechnoSyndrome posted:Can someone tell me exactly how the ledge mechanics work in Smash 4? I just played a bunch of matches as Falcon against a ZSS, and every single time I went for a spike and missed they would then hit me after I grabbed the ledge and I would ricochet off the side of the stage and die. I know repeated grabs don't have invincibility but I thought the first one does? How does this mechanic work and how do I take advantage of it when trying to kill recovering players? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26fcTpyxC-M basically if you touch the ledge, you are invincible. if you go off the ledge, and grab it again without getting hit, or having your feet touch the ground, you are not invincible. also, there is a single frame when you grab the ledge the first time where you are vulnerable, so quick or lingering hitboxes still might hit you. Also, you are only invincible for a couple seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vVug_cxA6A this video is good too but a little more advanced
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Apr 13, 2015 02:03
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TheKingofSprings posted:It would be kind of annoying if their fix to that turned out to be to tighten the time limit on idling I'd try making rolling consume shield as fast as holding shield. Could speed up the game a lot.
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Apr 13, 2015 02:09
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mabels big day posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26fcTpyxC-M Thanks, the second video in particular seems pretty helpful. Done playing for the day but I'll try to implement that stuff next time I play.
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Apr 13, 2015 02:13
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Reiley posted:The game plays great if everyone plays it the "right" way but one passive idiot sours the entire tone of every match, every time. Just because you don't like people playing uber-defensively doesn't mean that is the "wrong" way to play and by playing offensively you are playing "right." At least, that is a terrible, terrible way to approach any fighting game, by dismissing successful strategies as a fake or cheap way of playing the game. You just can't go in thinking that way. It's like Competitive Video Game Attitude 101.
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Apr 13, 2015 02:15
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nerdbot posted:Just because you don't like people playing uber-defensively doesn't mean that is the "wrong" way to play and by playing offensively you are playing "right." At least, that is a terrible, terrible way to approach any fighting game, by dismissing successful strategies as a fake or cheap way of playing the game. You just can't go in thinking that way. It's like Competitive Video Game Attitude 101. The main reason it's the wrong way to play is that it is loving boring to watch.
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Apr 13, 2015 02:19
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Shadowlyger posted:The main reason it's the wrong way to play is that it is loving boring to watch. That's Smash's problem, not the player doing it, especially once money gets involved.
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Apr 13, 2015 02:21
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I don't really care about the "cheap" argument since its been done to death but it's pretty loving obvious that gameplay mechanics can encourage different playstyles regardless of the game, and it's dumb to say it's a few bad apples spoiling the bunch instead of a problem with the game's systems
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Apr 13, 2015 02:22
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TheKingofSprings posted:That's Smash's problem, not the player doing it, especially once money gets involved. No, that's a player problem, if I were running a tournament and saw someone playing like that I'd kick them out and tell them to come back when they can stop being a wimp.
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Apr 13, 2015 02:22
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nerdbot posted:Just because you don't like people playing uber-defensively doesn't mean that is the "wrong" way to play and by playing offensively you are playing "right." At least, that is a terrible, terrible way to approach any fighting game, by dismissing successful strategies as a fake or cheap way of playing the game. You just can't go in thinking that way. It's like Competitive Video Game Attitude 101. I've made no illusions about not being a big fat Try Hard. Airquotes "right" was in the context of how they theoretically balanced the game. I'm also willing to assume "right" includes a full four players and items, especially Mr. Saturn, considering that;s the only context outside of a specific shieldbreaker move where you will ever see a shield break. In the context of it being a boring way to play, the hyper-defensive game exploits what seems like an oversight in defensive option balance and forces everyone around the turtle to play accordingly. In a 1v1 the other guy is never going to actually pursue you and usually just chip away at you with projectiles until they can goad you into making yourself vulnerable so you have to play around that knowledge, never really taking advantage of your defensive options yourself and strictly working uphill against their own defenses in a match where the onus is 100% on you not to make any mistakes, because out-of-shield grab is always faster than the recovery frames on every attack option you have. In a 2v2 or 4-player FFA the one dude sits and camps the outside and just runs away every time you get too close becomes a weird priority because if they're not addressed you'll end up killing everyone else and have to fight against multiple stocks of defensive play vs. the guy who kept throwing Thorons into your fights, or turn your back on their partner/the others to try and bring the fight to them before lategame stock disparities come out, and end up getting kicked in the back of the head for your troubles. It's a stone that ripples and affects all the water around it and it's honestly just a drain to have to deal with whenever someone wheels it out, even if the game allows and rewards them for doing this. It's sort of a selfish playstyle because it denies the other player a whole game, they can never capitalize on it themselves without pulling teeth. When everyone is on the same wavelength and everyone goes ham, this game is literally without peer for how energetic and enjoyable it is. One single party pooper is all it takes to dampen it.
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Apr 13, 2015 02:31
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Shadowlyger posted:No, that's a player problem, if I were running a tournament and saw someone playing like that I'd kick them out and tell them to come back when they can stop being a wimp. I never play like that and I'd still never touch a tournament you organized if you'd mandate a playstyle
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Apr 13, 2015 02:31
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Maybe... Maybe... Competitive fighting games are stupid. Maybe all video games are stupid. 
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Apr 13, 2015 02:56
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Wild Knight posted:Maybe... Maybe... Competitive fighting games are stupid. maybe youre stupid maybe we're all stupid
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awww yiss here we go
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Apr 13, 2015 05:04
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This Wednesday, Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U will be changed - Forever.
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Apr 13, 2015 05:06
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They just announced that the kid from Homestuck is gonna be in Smash
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Apr 13, 2015 05:20
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sharrrk posted:This Wednesday, Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U will be changed - Forever. You mean a week from next Tuesday?
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Apr 13, 2015 05:24
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This is it. This is the end. Time to find another thread.
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Apr 13, 2015 05:24
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that's the pleb release date
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Reiley posted:They just announced that Strongbad from Homestar Runner is gonna be in Smash
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