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I've hit fully grown steer with a train. Hundreds of pounds of beef barely made a bump noise at thirty miles an hour. People are nothing compared to tons of steel.
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Apr 12, 2015 16:53
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If you hit someone doing suicide-by-train, do you have to stop and fill out a bunch of tedious paperwork on the spot, or do you just advise someone that, next time you stop, there better be guys with hoses to do a spot of clean-up?
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Depending on what I hit, I barely hear or feel it. Trains are just me x 500000000 mass, so it's like running over a rabbit. Hell I centerpunched a fuckin' mule deer and wasn't much more than THUMP! WHUMP! Badgers shake the truck more because they are fuckin' dense and if you hit them, it's a tire strike.. CannonFodder posted:That said, proper truck driving protocol for 'obstacle in the road' is to hit the brakes and hope for the best, because swerving will just flip the trailers and hit what you were trying to miss in the first place. Never swerve. I'm not going on my lid for your gently caress-up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv1C5Rfz75U
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Holy poo poo. No one really knows why that SUV pulled out like that, but that's the shittiest of deals for the truck driver. What the hell is he going to do?
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Apr 12, 2015 20:07
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Pretty obvious attempt at suicide IMO, maybe held back at the last second. Hope the truck driver made it out okay.
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Apr 12, 2015 20:17
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nsaP posted:Pretty obvious attempt at suicide IMO, maybe held back at the last second. Frankly, if you involve other people in your suicide attempt and put them at risk, we should help you along with your original goal if your initial attempt is unsuccessful.
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Apr 12, 2015 20:30
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PT6A posted:If you hit someone doing suicide-by-train, do you have to stop and fill out a bunch of tedious paperwork on the spot, or do you just advise someone that, next time you stop, there better be guys with hoses to do a spot of clean-up? This is how I understand the normal procedure for a pedestrian impact. Since you're hopefully already fully on the brakes before the impact, you stop and call the authorities. Then you wait until the police and firetrucks and ambulances etc. arrive, presumably all the while talking to a very friendly and understanding person on the phone. You obviously shouldn't be left alone after such an event, and there will be a psychologist at the scene for you to talk to, as well. You'll be escorted to a car and you'll be taken away from the scene along with the psychologist, taking care that you don't have to look at anything gruesome. Of course you'll be taken off duty until you're mentally fit again, there will be several sessions with a psychologist before that happens. The emergency crews will start cleaning up, first by picking and shoveling up any bits that are large enough, and then by spreading quicklime over the rest. The parts can be distributed over several hundred meters of track, so it's no small task. Obviously they'll also clean up the train as well as they can, and I assume the train will be taken out of service for a thorough cleanup as soon as possible. A replacement driver will be dispatched to drive the train to its destination. I cannot imagine how grim that task must be. Train drivers usually work alone, but I sure hope the replacement driver gets a partner in this type of situation. Suicide-by-train: Don't loving do it. You'll make a nervous wreck of even the toughest train driver and possibly ruin his ability to ever work as a train driver again. It can result in severe PTSD and destroy lives and families. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Apr 12, 2015 |
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Apr 12, 2015 20:37
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KozmoNaut posted:Suicide-by-train: Don't loving do it. You'll make a nervous wreck of even the toughest train driver and possibly ruin his ability to ever work as a train driver again. It can result in severe PTSD and destroy lives and families. Not everyone is going to turn into a nervous wreck from someone throwing themselves in front of a train. I had an uncle that drove freight trains for many years and never felt too bad about hitting cars/ people. There's absolutely nothing the driver can do to stop the train in time and it's not like trains can sneak up on them or veer off into their lane. Still, not every driver is that way and it's a huge dick move so I'll agree with the initial point: Don't loving do it. E; as far as aftermath goes, their policy was to file a police report, let them gather evidence/clean up the scene, and get moving asap. The train is given a more thorough cleaning and checked for damage once they get back to their yard. He didn't go into more than that or if there was time off or psych evaluations but I'm guessing not. This was in the mid 90s though, maybe it's changed since then. Great Beer fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Apr 12, 2015 |
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Apr 12, 2015 21:03
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A few years back a lady driver and her spouse fully stopped on a congested, California two-lane highway, freaking me the gently caress out in a 93 4runner death trap with wobbling breaks and a tendency to roll. I proceeded to exit my car and ask for an explanation. The lady was on her phone, waiting for GPS, and I guess I was so chocked full of adrenaline about almost dying that the boyfriend threatened fisticuffs then and there. I kicked a sizable dent in their fender as the lady panicked and floored it. Probably tweakers, definitely retarded. Another rear ended that car later on at about 50 mph while on her phone as I came to a dead stop with the traffic. The car survived the collision with some wrecked paint and a slightly bent bumper. The Durango that plowed into it was half destroyed, lol. Got twice what the car was worth in insurance, paid for more college. One thing you can do to idiot drivers is instead of break check, just lay off the throttle and they never notice until you're super close. Yeah, I'm that guy - but only when driving in Virginia. VA drivers are loving dicks.
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Apr 12, 2015 21:15
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I can't believe that distracted driving is punished so much less harshly than drunk driving.
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The Locator posted:This intersection, somewhat vaguely like the red line. Hey there fellow southern Tempe goon! That entire intersection is a loving nightmare. I would say that about %30 of the people turning left fail to stay between the lines throughout the turn and maybe ~%10 will change lanes completely (usually from the mid lane to the outer lane). Things don't get any better once you're on Elliot.  Notice how there are 3 lights controlling 5 lanes? Also notice how the light for the left turn lanes is lined up with lane 3? This means that if you're in lane 3 you'll often see a red left turn arrow and no green light even though you're allowed to go straight. The result of this is that you often have to dodge someone turning onto Elliot and as soon as you do you have to slam on the brakes becuse someone in front of you has decided to stop in the middle of the road when they don't need to.
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PT6A posted:I can't believe that distracted driving is punished so much less harshly than drunk driving. 
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KozmoNaut posted:This is how I understand the normal procedure for a pedestrian impact. I'm just a callous oval office of a man I guess but I think there are too loving many people to begin with so I'd just be sitting on the side of the tracks somewhere waiting for them to hose the motherfucker off my train so I can get back to work. 
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KodiakRS posted:Hey there fellow southern Tempe goon! I only work out there actually. I've never noticed the problem you talk about with the next light, as I'm normally in the right lane, since I need to turn right down the road a bit, I always take the right-most turn lane so that I'm not one of those idiots that need to get across three lanes of traffic soon after the light. Warner is actually worse in my experience, in that for whatever reason I've seen a bunch of people there deciding that they actually wanted to go straight, instead of turning left, like the lane that they are in is clearly for. Like this dude: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8sjRPAvan4
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PT6A posted:I can't believe that distracted driving is punished so much less harshly than drunk driving. I was walking back from lunch downtown, and a cop in an SUV came up and stopped at the red light at the intersection I was about to cross. He pulled out a phone and started poking at it, and slowly drifted forward through the intersection, finally noticing and panic stopping (from about 2mph) about 100 feet past the intersection. Fortunately there wasn't cross traffic, but good lord, keep your foot on the brake.
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you ate my cat posted:I was walking back from lunch downtown, and a cop in an SUV came up and stopped at the red light at the intersection I was about to cross. He pulled out a phone and started poking at it, and slowly drifted forward through the intersection, finally noticing and panic stopping (from about 2mph) about 100 feet past the intersection. Fortunately there wasn't cross traffic, but good lord, keep your foot on the brake. My Dad's SUV has a feature that, if you press the brake hard enough after stopping, it will hold the brake until you press the gas again. I thought it was a useless-as-gently caress feature, but I underestimated the retardation of the driving public yet again.
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PT6A posted:I can't believe that distracted driving is punished so much less harshly than drunk driving. Can't prove distracted driving like you can DUI.
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Apr 13, 2015 01:47
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Plus it's not socially unacceptable yet. There hasn't been decades of parents crying on the evening news about their dead kids because someone was eating a hamburger or texting their buds.
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Apr 13, 2015 01:52
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Geoj posted:Can't prove distracted driving like you can DUI. Yeah. I hate distracted drivers as much as the next guy but I don't want to see license suspensions entirely on the word and discretion of a cop. xzzy posted:Plus it's not socially unacceptable yet. There hasn't been decades of parents crying on the evening news about their dead kids because someone was eating a hamburger or texting their buds. I've been trying to find the San Kinison bit on drinking and driving where he screams "how else am I stopped to get my fuckin car home" and the crowd starts cheering. Powershift fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Apr 13, 2015 |
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Apr 13, 2015 02:05
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Geoj posted:Can't prove distracted driving like you can DUI. There are logs with timestamps for phone calls, SMS, text chatting services, social media, and whatever else people will do on their smartphones instead of driving while behind the wheel. Still not quite as definitive as testing for DUI since the distraction can be intermittent and there are other things you could probably do on a phone that is distracting but won't leave a (easily obtainable) record. Also, you need complete physical access to the phone or request the information from the relevant service provider which could lead to issues with information privacy. Plus, the former can easily be denied by the owner and the latter takes a lot of time and can also be denied on the basis of privacy. Basically, yeah, it's not as simple as a field sobriety test or a breathalyzer.
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Apr 13, 2015 03:08
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San Antonio, Texas has laws against cell phone use while driving, so we'll find out what all the issues are in a few years. You can still use a hands-free set, despite studies that show that to be just as distracting.
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I actually looked it up. According the NHTSA, "distracted driving" is a factor in about 9% of fatal accidents in the US from 2010-2014 and cell phones are a factor in about 13% of those accidents (which works out to ~400/year). Alcohol, meanwhile, was a factor in about a third of all fatal accidents. It is further worth considering that "distracted driving" encompasses all forms of driver inattention not caused by some sort of mental or physical impairment. I guess we could save a few more lives by enacting an FAA-style ban on nonessential driver conversation, outlawing car stereos and forcing babies to be carried in the trunk.
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Apr 13, 2015 03:57
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I'll give a gently caress about anti-cellphone texting laws when they close the Police Loophole. Until then, it's bullshit money making scam with the worst offenders getting a free pass.
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Apr 13, 2015 03:58
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Edward IV posted:There are logs with timestamps for phone calls, SMS, text chatting services, social media, and whatever else people will do on their smartphones instead of driving while behind the wheel. Still not quite as definitive as testing for DUI since the distraction can be intermittent and there are other things you could probably do on a phone that is distracting but won't leave a (easily obtainable) record. Also, you need complete physical access to the phone or request the information from the relevant service provider which could lead to issues with information privacy. Plus, the former can easily be denied by the owner and the latter takes a lot of time and can also be denied on the basis of privacy. And that requires a warrant.
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Edward IV posted:There are logs with timestamps for phone calls, SMS, text chatting services, social media, and whatever else people will do on their smartphones instead of driving while behind the wheel. Problem is it's really hard to prove that the call/SMS/chat message (etc.) was sent when the vehicle was in operation. The driver could easily counter "I was stopped at a red light" or "I was pulled over in a parking lot/rest stop when I sent that one." OTOH, when you pull a drunk out of the car there's zero ambiguity if the driver was intoxicated while the vehicle was under operation - if you blow above the legal limit 30 minutes to an hour after you were stopped you were definitely above the legal limit when you were stopped. I mean, unless you want to put a prohibition on mobile devices in vehicles at the same level that alcohol is prohibited where having a powered on device is pretty much an automatic conviction...
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If you want to text and drive you should be required to do so in a Manual Trans Geo Metro. That'd be the only way it would be legal if I had my way. Force these shitlords to park their giant goddamn SUVs so they only person they kill when they gently caress up is their own drat self.
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I want a Hamsterdam for texting & driving. Want to do it? Fine, whatever. You're limited to 60mph, right lane only. Texting and driving in any other lane? Anybody who gets you out of the car is allowed to slam your texting hand in the door until it doesn't work anymore.
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I see the light way ahead of me turn green and cars begin to move through it except for the 4th car that is just sitting there. I don't see any hazards on as I'm coming up on it going about 30. As soon as I see that they are leaning across their SUV to wave/talk to someone on the sidewalk, I laid the gently caress on my horn. gently caress you. Pull over. Don't just sit there in the loving lane to have a conversation with someone on the sidewalk.
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Powershift posted:Yeah. I hate distracted drivers as much as the next guy but I don't want to see license suspensions entirely on the word and discretion of a cop. Very true. I feel like distracted driving is punished too lightly (we just recently instituted demerits for it!) and "drunk" driving, in a lot of cases, is punished too harshly. To be honest, if texting while driving results in a simple fine and a few demerit points, so too should driving at 0.06 or something. I don't mean to defend drunk driving at all, because it's not okay and I would never do it, but the guy driving home at a c-hair over 0.05 is probably not the guy we need to be most worried about, out of all the people on the road. If you're over 0.1, then I'm cool with some serious punishment being meted out.
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Vanagoon posted:If you want to text and drive you should be required to do so in a Manual Trans Geo Metro. That'd be the only way it would be legal if I had my way. Force these shitlords to park their giant goddamn SUVs so they only person they kill when they gently caress up is their own drat self. crx hf would probably kill them faster.
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insta posted:I want a Hamsterdam for texting & driving. Want to do it? Fine, whatever. You're limited to 60mph, right lane only. Texting and driving in any other lane? Anybody who gets you out of the car is allowed to slam your texting hand in the door until it doesn't work anymore. drat, it takes a lot to stop a door working.
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A less abrasive way to dealing with tailgaters is to clean your windshield. As they notice the sprey hitting their windshield, most people realize that they are way too loving close.
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Geoj posted:Problem is it's really hard to prove that the call/SMS/chat message (etc.) was sent when the vehicle was in operation. The driver could easily counter "I was stopped at a red light" or "I was pulled over in a parking lot/rest stop when I sent that one." OTOH, when you pull a drunk out of the car there's zero ambiguity if the driver was intoxicated while the vehicle was under operation - if you blow above the legal limit 30 minutes to an hour after you were stopped you were definitely above the legal limit when you were stopped. I don't think people are proposing random checks for all/SMS/chat message (etc.) was sent when the vehicle was in operation. More like if a crash occured they could be penalised. In Australia it's illegal to use a phone even when stopped at a light. You basically aren't allowed to touch one while in control of a vehicle. That means you can use one in a cradle for GPS/navigation and hands free phone calls though. I wish more governments did ads like this though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pubTiDCEVZ8 instead of just drinking ads because inattention is a killer on the roads too. Not only that, but it seems most people posting in this thread say someone else was doing something wrong, but when overtaken became a complete road rager, speeding and brake checking and driving dangerously. I don't think the common person even realises driving involves risk of life and please don't be a poor one or a road raging moron. E: When road raging started out, it was mainly people pissed that their and their passenger's lives was endangered by an arsehole. Now road ragers seem to always be the arsehole that actually did the bad/hosed up, and being a piece of poo poo they take it to extremes because they are insecure, waste of oxygen, incompetent and ..? Fo3 fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Apr 13, 2015 |
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Fo3 posted:Not only that, but it seems most people posting in this thread say someone else was doing something wrong, but when overtaken became a complete road rager, speeding and brake checking and driving dangerously. I just moved from Chicago to a Milwaukee suburb and people here make space for your expressway merge, wave you to go through stop signs first, and maintain constant speed via cruise control or even pedal pressure. I'm skeptical of their true intentions.
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Edward IV posted:There are logs with timestamps for phone calls, SMS, text chatting services, social media, and whatever else people will do on their smartphones instead of driving while behind the wheel. Still not quite as definitive as testing for DUI since the distraction can be intermittent and there are other things you could probably do on a phone that is distracting but won't leave a (easily obtainable) record. Also, you need complete physical access to the phone or request the information from the relevant service provider which could lead to issues with information privacy. Plus, the former can easily be denied by the owner and the latter takes a lot of time and can also be denied on the basis of privacy. I may be wrong, but I think that they can only look at your phone and/or request records from your mobile carrier if there was an actual accident that resulted in a death. Maybe injury or death. Anyway, in NYS there is DUI and DWI. A DUI means you blew over the legal limit. A DWI means you were driving while impaired or somehow incapacitated. You can blow a .03 and still get a DWI because the officer deems that the one beer you had somehow affected your ability to operate a motor vehicle. People get DWI's for being really tired behind the wheel or having taken cough syrup that morning. I always wondered how the officers measure tiredness. What would the cops surmise if the driver didn't say, "Sorry officer, I haven't slept in two days"? Even if I was exhausted I would keep my mouth shut in the event of being pulled over or an accident. If you fail the field tests then that's a DWI right there even if you blow a 0. I'd imagine that a DWI/traffic lawyer would get you off the hook quite easily because there are many reasons why one would fail the tests but it's still time and money wasted. Being overweight or having joint pain can result in a false positive. My brother got into an accident a while ago. The officer gave him a DWI because he failed the field sobriety tests AFTER explaining to them that his head slammed into the loving window when he was T-boned and that his vision was blurry because of the impact. Cops near Utica apparently don't know what a concussion is. The charge was dropped like a hot potato once he got a lawyer involved. Pixelated Dragon fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Apr 13, 2015 |
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PT6A posted:My Dad's SUV has a feature that, if you press the brake hard enough after stopping, it will hold the brake until you press the gas again. I thought it was a useless-as-gently caress feature, but I underestimated the retardation of the driving public yet again. I am guessing that it is an auto which makes it even weirder. My GTI has a similar feature and it is for hill starts since it is a manual. The number of times people have creeped forward and almost hit me sitting in traffic because my break lights are not on, because again manual gearbox, is amazing.
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Fo3 posted:E: When road raging started out, it was mainly people pissed that their and their passenger's lives was endangered by an arsehole. Now road ragers seem to always be the arsehole that actually did the bad/hosed up, and being a piece of poo poo they take it to extremes because they are insecure, waste of oxygen, incompetent and ..? Standard internet story STDH rules apply. Is somebody in this thread going to admit to raging over someone else's unsafe driving? Doubtful. Is somebody in this thread going to admit to doing something unsafe that makes somebody else rage? A few do, but most don't.
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nsaP posted:Pretty obvious attempt at suicide IMO, maybe held back at the last second. We've had a rash of wrong-way freeway drivers recently (and, unfortunately, the wrecks and fatalities that go with them) and I think every single one that they've actually apprehended (or been able to get a toxicology report out of the remains) has been drunk off their rear end. Doesn't rule out suicide, but absolutely none of them were sober that I can remember. The Locator posted:I only work out there actually Honestly, Ray, Warner, and Elliot are all clusterfucks because they're the main ways that everyone in Ahwatukee uses to get out to the rest of the world. Chandler doesn't seem to be too bad since they upgraded the bridge but I rarely get that far south anymore without just going all the way to Firebird or the 202.
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IOwnCalculus posted:We've had a rash of wrong-way freeway drivers recently (and, unfortunately, the wrecks and fatalities that go with them) and I think every single one that they've actually apprehended (or been able to get a toxicology report out of the remains) has been drunk off their rear end. Doesn't rule out suicide, but absolutely none of them were sober that I can remember. Yeah my first thought when I saw that video was not that it was a botched suicide attempt. It looked like the driver had no idea where the gently caress he was going, probably due to alcohol and/or drugs. Edit: Apparently the driver was a woman. There was a string of tractor-trailer suicides in my neck of the woods. They threw themselves, sans vehicle, in front of trucks. Doing so in a car or SUV seems like it would net inconsistent results. Then again, if she is quite mentally unstable she may not have thought that through. Pixelated Dragon fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Apr 13, 2015 |
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