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mdemone posted:Nope. You can trust me, I'm a cosmologist. Lambda's going to win.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Putting money into things like sustaining a closed ecosystem, zero-g production and mining, robotics, and even deep space telescopes and probes are things that we should absolutely be working on right now. How awesome would it be if America was seen as the Greatest Country because of massive technological breakthroughs and huge steps forward in space travel, instead of because we have the biggest military-industrial dick on the planet and cowboys starting idiotic wars?
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JT Jag posted:We're all inside a black hole imo It's goatse's all the way down.  Brannock posted:How awesome would it be if America was seen as the Greatest Country because of massive technological breakthroughs and huge steps forward in space travel, instead of because we have the biggest military-industrial dick on the planet and cowboys starting idiotic wars? Um awesome? I mean I'll vote the poo poo out of cutting the military budget by 1/2 and giving equal parts of each to both infrastructure/social programs and NASA but saying that space colonization will happen within 100 years is dumb no matter how much money we throw at that problem baring several Newton/Einstein leaps in science. A Winner is Jew fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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Nuke asteroids as state policy with missions conducted every 8 years. Be sure the missiles enter Russian air space as a check on their ego.
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Brannock posted:How awesome would it be if America was seen as the Greatest Country because of massive technological breakthroughs and huge steps forward in space travel, instead of because we have the biggest military-industrial dick on the planet and cowboys starting idiotic wars? Unfortunately, that same military industrial dick propelled us to the moon and catapulted us into the space race. NASA was founded on the fears of the Soviets gaining the high ground, and almost all of our spacecraft design was done by the same people building combat aircraft for the DoD.
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CommieGIR posted:Unfortunately, that same military industrial dick propelled us to the moon and catapulted us into the space race. NASA was founded on the fears of the Soviets gaining the high ground, and almost all of our spacecraft design was done by the same people building combat aircraft for the DoD. I'm well aware. Hell, put the DoD back on space science again, I won't complain. Or even put the military to work on fixing up infrastructure. Basically anything is gonna be better than yet another adventure in the desert. A Winner is Jew posted:I mean I'll vote the poo poo out of cutting the military budget by 1/2 and giving equal parts of each to both infrastructure/social programs and NASA but saying that space colonization will happen within 100 years is dumb no matter how much money we throw at that problem baring several Newton/Einstein leaps in science. I'm not saying that space colonization is going to be happening in that time window (sorry if it seemed like I was); I originally brought up the topic in response to fishmech's graph showing that fossil fuel usage has stabilized/decreased in America. It's all well and good that that's getting better, but if we run entirely out of easy energy before we make the breakthroughs necessary for colonization then space exploration is going to become extremely difficult if not outright impossible.
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Brannock posted:Something as paltry as doubling NASA funding would do wonders, but you heard it guys -- we can only choose between empty "help the poor" platitudes and actually ensuring that the species has a future instead of dying out impotently on Earth. It's not like the last space race had enormous technological breakthroughs that benefited life across all social strata or provided thousands of jobs! If you want to spend money on research, spend money on research. If you want to help people, help people. Either way the US government isn't going to do either of those things, and your Star Trek fantasy is a pipe dream. Good times reading the straw army you built in an attempt to make my position seem unreasonable though.
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Brannock posted:I'm well aware. Hell, put the DoD back on space science again, I won't complain. Or even put the military to work on fixing up infrastructure. Basically anything is gonna be better than yet another adventure in the desert. Man, I fantasize about giving half the DoD budget to NASA and the other half to DARPA. Let em run wild. I think we all fantasize about that.
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Chamale posted:That would have to be a shitload of mirrors, actually. And because space doesn't leave an efficient way to conduct away heat, over time they would heat up and start emitting heat towards Earth unless they were almost perfectly reflective. Theres a simple solution for that one though, "Increase solar shade" The main problem I see is researching fusion power and organic super lubricants.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Yeah, any one saying we should start colonizing now is an idiot, but so is anyone saying we shouldn't be expanding the budget of NASA because we need to help the poor. I don't know that anyone was saying either of those things. 
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hobbesmaster posted:The main problem I see is researching fusion power and organic super lubricants. Is an organic super lubricant anything other than a sex joke? Zeitgueist posted:I don't know that anyone was saying either of those things. Yeah, the prevailing opinions here are "Increase NASA funding by a lot" vs. "Increase NASA funding even more than that".
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Chamale posted:Yeah, the prevailing opinions here are "Increase NASA funding by a lot" vs. "Increase NASA funding even more than that". How about "increase R&D funding a lot" if we're going with unrealistic dream budgets. I mean realistically what we're going to get is tech that is a byproduct of creating death machines, which is what we have now via the MIC, but if we're doing this, lets halve the Pentagon budget and shovel it into education, R&D, and social programs. NASA is a good general R&D thing to have, but if we're thinking of space colonization happening anytime in the next couple of lifetimes that's ridiculous and we should instead be concentrating on stuff that would improve the world we live on as it's more achievable, barring some radical breakthrough.
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Chamale posted:Is an organic super lubricant anything other than a sex joke? It's a reference to the game Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. quote:"Organic Superlube? Oh, it's great stuff, great stuff. You really have to keep an eye on it, though - it'll try and slide away from you the first chance it gets.
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CommieGIR posted:Unfortunately, that same military industrial dick propelled us to the moon and catapulted us into the space race. NASA was founded on the fears of the Soviets gaining the high ground, and almost all of our spacecraft design was done by the same people
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Yep, all of those are good things. The F-35 fighter is $173 billion over budget, and the government has been making deep cuts to scientific research for years.
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A Winner is Jew posted:And while we're in this fevered dream, privatize all energy creation and transmission in the US, build nuke plants and put the Navy in charge of running them as a domestic jobs program. Socialized healthcare too. Also increase funding for Psychohistory.
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Zeitgueist posted:NASA is a good general R&D thing to have, but if we're thinking of space colonization happening anytime in the next couple of lifetimes that's ridiculous and we should instead be concentrating on stuff that would improve the world we live on as it's more achievable, barring some radical breakthrough. The flipside of the fact that space colonization
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Well, yeah, we had to start somewhere  Zeitgueist posted:How about "increase R&D funding a lot" if we're going with unrealistic dream budgets. There's the problem: Most general R&D did come from private research via government grants, but private research has been slowly oriented away from long term research onto more short term profitable research, we are not doing as much research into problems that will have decade spanning solutions versus next year solutions, and companies are getting less and less willing to throw money at general R&D which shows no profitability in the short term.
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The Washington Post has a fun thing that lets you write your own messages in the Hillary font. 
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Chamale posted:Is an organic super lubricant anything other than a sex joke? We need to restart the DnD SMAC game and make participation mandatory.
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UberJew posted:The flipside of the fact that space colonization  Nerds always want to talk scifi space colonization, but almost all of the tech you need would solve earth issues a long the way and is more attainable. But holy poo poo don't bring up solving social issues.
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CommieGIR posted:There's the problem: Most general R&D did come from private research via government grants, but private research has been slowly oriented away from long term research onto more short term profitable research, we are not doing as much research into problems that will have decade spanning solutions versus next year solutions, and companies are getting less and less willing to throw money at general R&D which shows no profitability in the short term. We could just fund massive open-ended R&D facilities for a fraction of what we blow on random bombing poo poo. Also just buy houses for homeless people and socialize food, if we're doing this poo poo.
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Zeitgueist posted:We could just fund massive open-ended R&D facilities for a fraction of what we blow on random bombing poo poo.
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hobbesmaster posted:In more on topic news, Obama has said that he'd sign the latest bipartisan bill regarding Iran, thus ensuring that it won't have enough republican votes to pass. Someone should tell the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about Obama's nefarious plan because they just passed it unanimously, 19-0.
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Joementum posted:The Washington Post has a fun thing that lets you write your own messages in the Hillary font.  
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Joementum posted:Someone should tell the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about Obama's nefarious plan because they just passed it unanimously, 19-0. Do we know the actual content of the bill?
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Zeitgueist posted:We could just fund massive open-ended R&D facilities for a fraction of what we blow on random bombing poo poo. 
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Do we know the actual content of the bill? Requires that any deal with Iran is approved by Congress. The agreement that finally got this through was the removal of an additional requirement that Iran renounce Hamas as part of the deal. Oh, also, the White House removed Cuba from the list of state sponsors of terrorism. 
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Joementum posted:Also, if you can't name both of the Members of Congress in this photo immediately, Gotta be Pelosi on the right. Boxer on the left?
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Joementum posted:Requires that any deal with Iran is approved by Congress. The agreement that finally got this through was the removal of an additional requirement that Iran renounce Hamas as part of the deal. Thank god he headed off the Tea Party criticism by saying that it's pursuant to the Constitution. They'll have no leg to stand on now.
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Pellisworth posted:Gotta be Pelosi on the right. Boxer on the left? On the left has to be DeLauro, the Rhesus Pieces fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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