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Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
It all makes sense

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Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

So one half of Gamzee got sucked in Cal...and I wonder what that means and which half.

H.P. Shivcraft
Mar 17, 2008

STAY UNRULY, YOU HEARTLESS MONSTERS!

H.P. Shivcraft posted:

My current basically evidence-less theory is that the Jack with billiard eyes is going to end up taking control of the Felt, nabbing that staff, and in some other way getting hold of the coat to become, if not LE outright, the LE analogue for this portion of the endgame. Maybe he will get RIIIIIPPED also? Anyway, I feel like this would be a nice callback to the old Act 5 theory that Bec Noir was eventually going to become Lord English, meaning Spades Slick had a vendetta against himself.

Haha, yep, so Union Jack is actually well on his way to becoming a real version of LE. He's not just being puppeteered by Caliborn, he's got a mishmash of Caliborn, Gamzee, Equius, and the Auto-Responder in there. Let's see how many more of these I can sink in the next act.

Blackheart
Mar 22, 2013

What will the name of this young man be?

> Enter name.

CLOCKWORK MANJUNK

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

So it all comes together in an intelligently explained and logically satisfying way. Truly Caliborn was always the narrator this story deserved. I'm glad he killed that hack Andrew Hussie.

Now in how many ways will this event not actually go as predicted?

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

SyntheticPolygon posted:

So it all comes together in an intelligently explained and logically satisfying way. Truly Caliborn was always the narrator this story deserved. I'm glad he killed that hack Andrew Hussie.

Now in how many ways will this event not actually go as predicted?
As many ways as there are too many cooks.
(This reference better get touched upon)

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

I don't try to make many predictions, but I will continue holding out hope that Lord English knocked over Slick's favorite casinos in order to get scotty dogs to send back to his past self in order to bribe Jack to kill Calliope's dream self.

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...
I'm not going to lie, I'm completely lost.

Plom Bar
Jun 5, 2004

hardest time i ever done :(
Turns out this was all just a continuation of Hussie's Muppet Babies/Saw crossover comic-off.

thanks alot assbag
Feb 18, 2005

BLUUUUHHHHHH
Doubt anyone expected any of this, honestly!

CuddlyZombie
Nov 6, 2005

I wuv your brains.

So wait, am I getting this right, that Lord English as we know him is a mixture of Caliborn, Half of Gamzee, and Arquiussprite? Arquiussprite seems out of place, RIPPED-ness aside.

ZZT the Fifth
Dec 6, 2006
I shot the invisible swordsman.

CuddlyZombie posted:

So wait, am I getting this right, that Lord English as we know him is a mixture of Caliborn, Half of Gamzee, and Arquiussprite? Arquiussprite seems out of place, RIPPED-ness aside.

Isn't Lord English said to be at least a little calculating? The AR half of Arquiusprite could be where his crafty mind comes from.

E: This would sure as hell explain LE's vast HONKing though. :stare:

ZZT the Fifth fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Apr 15, 2015

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...
It would explain the significance of the cracks in Equius' glasses.

thanks alot assbag
Feb 18, 2005

BLUUUUHHHHHH
Containing a small part of Equius would at least explain why he bothered to get so STRONG.

H.P. Shivcraft
Mar 17, 2008

STAY UNRULY, YOU HEARTLESS MONSTERS!

CuddlyZombie posted:

So wait, am I getting this right, that Lord English as we know him is a mixture of Caliborn, Half of Gamzee, and Arquiussprite? Arquiussprite seems out of place, RIPPED-ness aside.

People have also pointed out that Doc Scratch is basically LE's autoresponder.

glowing-fish
Feb 18, 2013

Keep grinding,
I hope you level up! :)
Amongst many other things, this also means that one of Blade Kind Eyewear's pet theories is right.

life_source
May 11, 2008

i got tired of looking at your edgy baby avatar that a 14-year old would be proud of

H.P. Shivcraft posted:

People have also pointed out that Doc Scratch is basically LE's autoresponder.

Oh holy gently caress

Classtoise
Feb 11, 2008

THINKS CON-AIR WAS A GOOD MOVIE

Grouchio posted:

As many ways as there are too many cooks.
(This reference better get touched upon)



It's goddamn Cook Island up in this piece.

I don't care if that's not the joke because it lets me segue into Butler Island with how righteously Dirk served Caliborn.

Flawless :smugbert:

Also holy poo poo plot twist. Equius is actually surprisingly relevant.

Calling it now. This is relevant to his defeat. Bug-gently caress crazy Gamzee, evil little poo poo Caliborn, and calculating ARquiussprite...

With a dash of subservient Equius who would be too busy wiping his sweaty rear end down when some lowly Prince (or less) tells a LORD to back the gently caress off :allears:

Classtoise fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Apr 15, 2015

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.
Yeah, okay, this is Caliborn being beaten, not Lord English. That dude's still out there. This ain't the end of homestuck.

Which means that John and co. will probably be involved much more strongly in that battle rather than this one

glowing-fish
Feb 18, 2013

Keep grinding,
I hope you level up! :)

Classtoise posted:


Also holy poo poo plot twist. Equius is actually surprisingly relevant.

Does that mean Nepeta will be relevant, as well?

One thing I've wondered about is why Doc Scratch, who was so concerned with the troll's social status, was a fragment of Caliborn/Lord English, who really didn't care less about trolls. I wondered (and still do) whether that was part of Calliope still in him.

But having part of Equius in him would explain why Scratch got so worked up over the troll's caste system.

Plom Bar
Jun 5, 2004

hardest time i ever done :(

glowing-fish posted:

Amongst many other things, this also means that one of Blade Kind Eyewear's pet theories is right.

Which one?

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

glowing-fish posted:

Amongst many other things, this also means that one of Blade Kind Eyewear's pet theories is right.

We have truly reached the end times.

CuddlyZombie
Nov 6, 2005

I wuv your brains.

Though it had to come to an end eventually, I'm a bit sad that we won't get to hear any more of Caliborn's Excellent Voice.






Yogurtboner.

CuddlyZombie
Nov 6, 2005

I wuv your brains.

How does ARquiussprite even exist in the post-RetJohn timeline?

glowing-fish
Feb 18, 2013

Keep grinding,
I hope you level up! :)

Plom Bar posted:

Which one?


That Doc Scratch contained the Auto-Responder.

Classtoise
Feb 11, 2008

THINKS CON-AIR WAS A GOOD MOVIE

CuddlyZombie posted:

Though it had to come to an end eventually, I'm a bit sad that we won't get to hear any more of Caliborn's Excellent Voice.






Yogurtboner.

Truly we are now lesser for losing his glorious voice, and we can only wish him well in his triumph over Yodelbooger.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

So assuming LE is now properly a separate character from Caliborn... are we gonna hear him speak?

Even after Caliborn's introduction, LE has still had this air of being a force of nature (which he kinda, y'know, is); it would be odd to suddenly give him character traits beyond EXTERMINATE.

CuddlyZombie
Nov 6, 2005

I wuv your brains.

Fucknag posted:

So assuming LE is now properly a separate character from Caliborn... are we gonna hear him speak?

Even after Caliborn's introduction, LE has still had this air of being a force of nature (which he kinda, y'know, is); it would be odd to suddenly give him character traits beyond EXTERMINATE.

I'm not trying to make a already here joke, but we literally already have, back during the doc scratch interlude.


Classtoise posted:

Truly we are now lesser for losing his glorious voice, and we can only wish him well in his triumph over Yodelbooger.


:mmmhmm:

Cabbit
Jul 19, 2001

Is that everything you have?

CuddlyZombie posted:

How does ARquiussprite even exist in the post-RetJohn timeline?

He's a splinter of Dirk. Splinters of Dirk have a way of hanging around despite established rules or expectations. See also Jake's inexplicable Brain Dirk that Terezi talked to, God only knows on what page.

glowing-fish
Feb 18, 2013

Keep grinding,
I hope you level up! :)
So does this mean that Lord English only came about because of this battle? Like, the kids, in trying to stop Lord English from coming to be, created him?

And that without this battle, Caliborn would have just been an annoying little kid making bad art?

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007

I find it interesting that LE's 'first' defeat, as mentioned long ago by Aranea, was Caliborn. I was expecting it to be Union Jack, or something within the session. You'd expect them to clean house before moving on to the Caliborn fight.

WAR FOOT posted:

I'm not going to lie, I'm completely lost.

In this timeline (which we are currently assuming is the one that is actually going to happen), Dirk sucks AR's, Equius's, Caliborn's, and Gamzee's souls into Lil' Cal. This unholy mix is what creates Lord English. From Equius, we get the buffness. From AR, we get Doc Scratch. From Gamzee, we get the honking. From Caliborn, we get the green skull and the general desire for destruction.

It remains to be seen if this will still happen, now that it's been spoiled, or if Caliborn's fate will be changed, effectively either making Lord English never exist in the first place, or severing the causal relationship between Caliborn and Lord English.

CuddlyZombie posted:

How does ARquiussprite even exist in the post-RetJohn timeline?

Well, Gamzee can still be around and loving with kernelsprites. He just can't create the Tavrissprite, since Vriska isn't dead anymore. Remember, ARquiusprite was made before the Beta Kids showed up, so any timeline changes that happen because of Vriska being there won't have much impact.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

CuddlyZombie posted:

How does ARquiussprite even exist in the post-RetJohn timeline?

Because Equius still died and the Alpha's sessions proceeded uninterrupted.

CuddlyZombie
Nov 6, 2005

I wuv your brains.

Bobulus posted:

Well, Gamzee can still be around and loving with kernelsprites. He just can't create the Tavrissprite, since Vriska isn't dead anymore. Remember, ARquiusprite was made before the Beta Kids showed up, so any timeline changes that happen because of Vriska being there won't have much impact.

poo poo, you're right.


I just don't want such a fate for either AR and especially for Equius. :(

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Oh yeah, and this means that Gamzee was completely right about being the Mirthful Messiahs himself. He wasn't so crazy after all.

CuddlyZombie
Nov 6, 2005

I wuv your brains.

I guess this means that Gamzee's tears in [S] Arquiusprite: Ride also aren't just nonsensical clown whimsy.

kurona_bright
Mar 21, 2013
Minor detail, but looking back at the claymation in which all of the Alpha kids get completely wrecked, it's pretty cool how much detail is put in.
Basically, Caliborn whacks Dirk, than Jane in quick succession. Roxy tries to help Dirk and gets attacked, Jake runs over to Jane and helps her get up. Caliborn stomps Roxy then goes for Dirk, knocking him out, and then Jane helps Roxy up. And then Caliborn knocks them out, in the order of Jake, Jane, Roxy, and then Dirk. I should not be feeling :3: over two-color clay puppets helping each other up, but I am.
I'm kinda hoping some of the fantastic fan-animators make a flash of it now (complete with hope-field Jake, of course).

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007

CuddlyZombie posted:

I guess this means that Gamzee's tears in [S] Arquiusprite: Ride also aren't just nonsensical clown whimsy.

Ironically, by creating ARquiussprite, Gamzee engineered Lord English and himself being a mirthful messiah!

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Bobulus posted:

Ironically, by creating ARquiussprite, Gamzee engineered Lord English and himself being a mirthful messiah!

And at the time he probably had more than a little Caliborn in him already since he had been hanging out with Lil Cal.

CuddlyZombie
Nov 6, 2005

I wuv your brains.

I really, really hope that there is still a good ending for Equius and AR. gently caress. :smith:

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Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

CuddlyZombie posted:

I'm not trying to make a already here joke, but we literally already have, back during the doc scratch interlude.

If that was speaking then Gamzee's horns are sentient.

The horns what go honk honk, not his head horns.


E: wait gently caress no the other thing. This comic's too goddamn long.

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