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Paramemetic posted:Ftfy Black people didn't know anything about it either. Or east Asians. Or Latin Americans. And of course the few Nepalese who did know about it did not know about the competing mountains in other parts of the world or which of the Himalayas was tallest.
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Cliff Racer posted:Black people didn't know anything about it either. Or east Asians. Or Latin Americans. And of course the few Nepalese who did know about it did not know about the competing mountains in other parts of the world or which of the Himalayas was tallest. I mean you have some good points but you do know the Sherpas were not an isolated undiscovered people and that major trade routes passed right next to it for basically ever right? I am pretty sure everyone in East Asia was aware of most of the Himalayas and especially Everest based on its proximity to the vital salt trade routes between Lhasa and Kathmandu? It's a pretty important mountain. I would also reject the premise that land belongs to governments but accept that this is a reasonable convention since governments govern it but you know that's just getting a bit ridiculous for the Everest death pool thread. Any late arrivals to base camp gonna try to climb with accelerated acclimation? 
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But there's nobody stopping anyone from going to Everest. It's perfectly open to anyone to hike to base camp. Nobody has had to legislate mountain etiquette because the relative paucity of 8,000 meter summiteers kept everything civil. UNESCO site or not, you still have to respect the locals. I can't whip my dick out at the Church of the Nativity because "IT BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD!!!"
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Fresh helicopter photos of the icefall (click for k2-size). Last year's route on the left, new route on the right. Death serac on upper left. A person would be roughly 1 pixel on this scale.  Imagine four ladders (tied together) at the edge of an ice cliff. 
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I Greyhound posted:Fresh helicopter photos of the icefall (click for k2-size). drat that's a long trek
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Are people already climbing up the new route? I read that the season normall starts in early April, and we're already halfways through the month.
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Apr 13, 2015 14:57
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People should be arriving at base camp any day now and the sherpas should be fixing ropes at the moment. Don't know how far they are, probably camp 1 or 2. edit: yep http://www.alanarnette.com/blog/2015/04/12/everest-2015-updates-and-impressions/ quote:We are now at Gorak Shep and will arrive at Everest Base Camp tomorrow, Monday April 13. While the route has been fixed through the Icefall to Camp 1, there have been no reports of teams starting their climbs. Most are either still trekking in or doing acclimatization exercises on Lobuche Peak, or to Pumori Camp 1 near Everest Base Camp.
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Most of the climbers are at base camp now, and doing acclimatization hikes around base camp and up nearby small peaks. It takes a few weeks just to acclimatize at base camp to avoid death. And tourism culture marches on around Everest, a few dozen deaths won't stop it: http://www.alanarnette.com/blog/2015/04/12/everest-2015-updates-and-impressions/ quote:The Khumbu Personality I Greyhound fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Apr 13, 2015 |
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Apr 13, 2015 15:13
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What are some other good sites to get news on the season?
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Apr 13, 2015 15:24
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I spent 15 days hiking round the Annapurna circuit a few years ago and one of the best parts was the lack of internet and the feeling of being far from civilisation. Wonder when Starbucks will open up at EBC?
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i watched the K2 doc on netflix and saw a guy die on the first day at basecamp, from skiing and falling RIP mountain ski bro but do a lot of people actually try to ski the 8kers?
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No one can beat the "gently caress you old man" snowboarder guy.
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A Spider Covets posted:
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Cliff Racer posted:There is someone/thing that owns the mountain, the governments of Nepal and China. "The collective heritage of humanity" can gently caress off, this isn't Olympus or Ararat, people didn't even know anything about it until the second half of the 1800s. ZombieLenin posted:Yeah, but that's nationalistic bullshit I don't believe in at all, and it can gently caress off. This isn't the loving 19th century. I agree with your argument in principle, ZombieLenin, but it does seem like that argument is used by white people demanding access to sacred sites of other cultures far more than anything else. Like what if someone wanted to visit other natural sites, like The Grand Canyon? Sorry not without a US visa. No collective heritage anywhere but where white people aren't allowed to go. It doesn't help when said white people aren't really respectful and instead expect the locals to die to help them ski and leave poo poo and garbage all over said collective heritage of humanity like a true white person.
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Moridin920 posted:I agree with your argument in principle, ZombieLenin, but it does seem like that argument is used by white people demanding access to sacred sites of other cultures far more than anything else. Like what if someone wanted to visit other natural sites, like The Grand Canyon? Sorry not without a US visa. No collective heritage anywhere but where white people aren't allowed to go. Its the exact same as that UN control of the Amazon conspiracy that certain Brazilian leftists like to talk about, except in real life!
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Apr 13, 2015 23:01
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$15 seems really cheap for wifi access there.
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Apr 14, 2015 00:07
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The local buying power of $15 is a lot more than you might think.
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You've already paid at least fifty grand to be there, what's $15? Like how lovely hotels have free wifi but Hiltons don't.
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Varkk posted:Yes, and the other day I saw an article about a guy planning to mountain bike on one. I am on a phone right now but will try to find the article later when at my PC. drat that's wild. cool though. love seeing what other people do with the sport but sometimes i shake my head at it.
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Gonna be the first
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Some national geographic documentary will be filming their ascent and I'll just come bouncing down in the background.
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theflyingexecutive posted:You've already paid at least fifty grand to be there, what's $15? Like how lovely hotels have free wifi but Hiltons don't. Naw, it's like $20k-$40k for the climbing permit but most of the people going to base camp aren't climbing. And most people probably budget on the assumption that prices in nepal are really low, etc. etc. I mean, the second-worst sort of bitching is tourists bitching about the locals, and the worst sort of bitching is tourists bitching about how tourists are ruining everything, so yeah, STFU about the expensive lovely wifi. But... $15 is like a week's wages or some poo poo like that, so they're likely being gouged hilariously.
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Hunterhr posted:Gonna be the first
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Well yeah the permit is $11k, plus equipment, plus transportation, plus Sherpas/HAPs gives you $40-90k. Getting internet access in the middle of nowhere is a huge feat to start with. Plus wifi pricing has nothing to do with supply and demand. You wanna post those selfies, how much is it worth to you?
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Apr 14, 2015 04:37
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I own a ton of books about mountaineering and didn't see these mentioned: Nanda Devi: The Tragic Expedition Willi Unsoeld was one of the first Americans to make a name for himself as a Himalayan climber. He named his first daughter Devi because he glimpsed Nanda Devi on a trip and decided to name his first daughter after the mountain because of its beauty. In 1976 he organized an expedition to climb Nanda Devi with a bad mix of experienced Himalayan climbers and relative newbies. His daughter Devi is one of the newbies. Things don't end well. https://www.amazon.com/dp/0898867398/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_TLklvb1H0C58V The Boardman Tasker Omnibus This is out of print but my favorite mountaineering book by far. These guys (Peter Boardman and Joe Tasker) were part of a pioneering group of British climbers in the '70s (alongside Dougal Haston and Doug Scott). A lot of epic survival stories but lots of great stuff about dealing with the mundane business of planning a trip and getting to the peak they are trying to climbing on an extremely limited budget. https://www.amazon.com/dp/0898864364/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_kPklvb0ACYR4G Addicted to Danger: Affirming Life in the Face of Death If you want to read a biography by a guy who has experienced a hell of a lot of tragedy first hand (and survived an overnight exposed bivouac without tent, parka, sleeping bag, water, food, or stove at 27000 feet after summiting K2.) https://www.amazon.com/dp/0671019910/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_lRklvb08S8071 Cat Hassler fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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theflyingexecutive posted:Well yeah the permit is $11k, plus equipment, plus transportation, plus Sherpas/HAPs gives you $40-90k. For climbing everest, he is talking about trekking in the region. I can do that with flights, guide, porters, meals and accommodation for around 3k for a 3 week trek.
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So I looked up Nanda Devi on Wikipedia to see if there are any good stories about it.quote:From 1965 to 1968, attempts were made by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), in co-operation with the Indian Intelligence Bureau (IB), to place a nuclear-powered telemetry relay listening device on the summit of Nanda Devi.  Somewhere on there is a probably damaged radioisotope thermoelectric generator with two pounds of plutonium.
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Default Settings posted:So I looked up Nanda Devi on Wikipedia to see if there are any good stories about it. Yup. Apparently the thing got avalanched and is deep in a crevasse today. There were attempts to recover it but it was never found. The incident pissed off Pakistan and China big time and American climbers going to the Himalayas were viewed with suspicion of being CIA affiliated through the 70's. I've read a few books that reference the CIA expedition and apparently some big-name American climbers were involved. Never have seen anyone called out by name but the Whittaker brothers pop up a lot. (Jim Whittaker was the first American to summit Mt. Everest and founded REI - also a pallbearer at RFK's funeral!)
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Varkk posted:Yes, and the other day I saw an article about a guy planning to mountain bike on one. I am on a phone right now but will try to find the article later when at my PC. http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/w...ide-record.html Not Everest, but still an 8k mountain.
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He should just ride down the Chinese side of K2. Its just a giant ridgeline, easily doable! Incidentally a coworker of mine loves bmx and all of his stories inevitably end in bodily injury.
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Keith Atherton posted:I own a ton of books about mountaineering and didn't see these mentioned: drat I looked up the Wikipedia article for this guy. Loses nine of his toes summiting Everest in the 60s, loses his daughter in the ascent of Nanda Devi, is asked at his home (where a picture of Devi was over the fireplace) how he could continue climbing after losing his daughter, Willi responded: "What – you want me to die of a heart attack, drinking beer, eating potato chips, and watching a golf tournament on TV?", and then died in an avalanche on Mt. Rainier. That's some seriously suicidal dedication to mountain climbing.
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elwood posted:For climbing everest, he is talking about trekking in the region. I can do that with flights, guide, porters, meals and accommodation for around 3k for a 3 week trek. Right, $15/day for internet is still a low price compared to that budget.
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It is comparatively high when your room and board costs the same.
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Apr 14, 2015 17:36
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It's almost like the infrastructure needed to erect a building and the infrastructure needed to maintain a connection from an inhospitable remote mountain village to a global network of computers may be different.
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Default Settings posted:So I looked up Nanda Devi on Wikipedia to see if there are any good stories about it. Great article on it: http://www.damninteresting.com/spies-on-the-roof-of-the-world/
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Some things from Alan Arnette's blogquote:About 375 Everest 2015 permits issues thus far, with 125 from 2014. 96 issues for Lhotse. quote:In spite of extreme lobbying by many expeditions leaders, helicopter flights to carry gear into the CWM was denied once again for 2015. What's with all the helicopters??? Some people (expensively) cutting corners? eta- article here about this issue Rondette fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Apr 15, 2015 05:31
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Rondette posted:Some things from Alan Arnette's blog The Mountain is going to be pissed. It wants flesh, not metal. I picture the ice fall looking like a junk yard if they allow the helicopters unrestricted access.
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