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kastein posted:Only half? That's not a very big molecule, and a lot of BANG. Forget that, let's make some I forgot, nitrogen can only form three bonds.  Still hexecontaaazabuckminsterfullerene would make a hell of a bang. And so would hexecontanitrobuckminsterfullerene. But which would would be more terrifyingly explosive?  E #2: Hexadeca is 16, not 60. Fixed! Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 23:36 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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thespaceinvader posted:Also, why it makes your skin weaker and more prone to wounds, makes those wounds take longer to heal, fucks your blood up, and fucks your gut up. Basically, the complications of older chemotherapies are a map for 'locations in the body in which cells divide fast'. Your rear end in a top hat will rip itself to shreds.
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Woolie Wool posted:I forgot, nitrogen can only form three bonds. Not with that attitude.
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Tunicate posted:Not with that attitude. If I remember right, and this is off the top of my head, c60 is easy to make. You take a bell jar with two graphite electrodes in it, drop just plain air in it to one 7th atmosphere and go to town. The energetics make the configuration rather stable once a load of ions are reforming bonds dropping out of the arc. With N.. Hmm, graphene style 2d lattace (can't think of another topologically sound situation due to 3 bonds), but you couldn't layer it without some weirdo dipole moment thing going on. I never want to see that in the world, go ask those Germans!
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Phanatic posted:Remember, the first chemotherapy drug was based on mustard gas, after it was noted that lots of gas attack victims had depleted white cell counts. Wasn't too big a leap from there to treating lymphoma with it. Yep -- even today, the first line chemotherapy agent for lymphoma is a mustard agent (chlorambucil). CSB time: My cat has small cell lymphoma and has been on oral chlorambucil for months. There's a chance of it being absorbed through the skin, so we have to handle it with gloves when we're pilling him. (It also gets partially excreted, so we have to wear a respirator and gloves when cleaning his litter box.) His whiskers and fur have stopped growing entirely. It's not fun 
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Tunicate posted:Not with that attitude. So would the nitrogens just refuse to bond at the right angles to form N60? What about just tacking nitro groups onto all of the carbons for fiery explosive goodness?
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Woolie Wool posted:So would the nitrogens just refuse to bond at the right angles to form N60? What about just tacking nitro groups onto all of the carbons for fiery explosive goodness? Hexadecanitrofullerene? I can dig it.
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Woolie Wool posted:So would the nitrogens just refuse to bond at the right angles to form N60? What about just tacking nitro groups onto all of the carbons for fiery explosive goodness? Psst. The old adage "give chemists a challenge and they'll try to make it" is true once again. General article about N60 Theoretical research article, not freely accessible The abstract of the latter says that the reaction N60 --> 30 N2 releases 1622.9 kcal/mol. That's 6790.2 KJ/mol. According to the former article, the explosive energy of N60 would be 50% more of that of CL-20, that's hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane, which was featured on Things I Won't Work With (see OP) as 'that thing that gets less explosive by mixing it with TNT' 
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To be fair TNT is relatively mild tempered for an explosive, both in terms of sensitivity and detonation speed.
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Phanatic posted:And bloody stools! There's a moderately interesting side note to that: Late in WW2, during the allied invasion of Italy, the US shipped artillery shells with mustard gas to Europe, to be used in retaliation if the Axis troops used any chemical weapons. One of the ships carrying those shells was bombed in the harbor in Bari, south Italy, and a number of people, both civilians and troops, were exposed. One of the doctors in charge of cleaning up the (classified) mess decided to keep autopsies and reports on the victims, and those were also a significant part of the early work on mustine .
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Fucknag posted:Hexadecanitrofullerene? I'm gonna close the door behind me when I leave. I'm also going to run very quickly as soon as I close the door. Have fun with your Hexadecanitrofullerene, because I won't be anywhere near that.
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Carbon dioxide posted:Psst. The old adage "give chemists a challenge and they'll try to make it" is true once again. I know we're talking about explosives and the chemistry therein, but how likely would it be that that could that be made? And I guess, how stable would it be? (expecting the answers to be 'not impossible; not stable at all'). They just did some B3LYP/6-31G* calculations, and made some approximations of it, but I have a bit of a dim view of theoretical chemists. hawaiian_robot has a new favorite as of 12:06 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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It would probably be stable for a few microseconds before the nitrogen decides that it liked life better as a free gas after all.
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So I'm doing a presentation for my medical terminology class on the pathophysiology and treatment of organophosphate poisoning. Just, you know, because. Thanks for introducing me to that horror, FOOF thread.
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Bertrand Hustle posted:So I'm doing a presentation for my medical terminology class on the pathophysiology and treatment of organophosphate poisoning. Yay! Don't forget to mention all the farmers poisoned using sheep dip! First time I heard about organophosphates as a kid.
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Carbon dioxide posted:Psst. The old adage "give chemists a challenge and they'll try to make it" is true once again. 
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:I'm gonna close the door behind me when I leave. Close the door carefully, please.
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Please don't breathe so hard
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Management would appreciate if you would refrain from thinking such loud thoughts around the hexadecanitrofullerene.
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Collateral Damage posted:To be fair TNT is relatively mild tempered for an explosive, both in terms of sensitivity and detonation speed. Which is why it's popular as an explosive, incidentally. You generally want your explosives to go off when and only when you want them to, not whenever they feel like it or someone coughs a half-mile away like most of the stuff discussed in this thread. 
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Bertrand Hustle posted:Management would appreciate if you would refrain from thinking such loud thoughts around the hexadecanitrofullerene. Acknowledging the hexadecanitrofullerene's existence may anger the hexadecanitrofullerene.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Acknowledging the hexadecanitrofullerene's existence may anger the hexadecanitrofullerene. Not acknowledging its existence may anger it as well. You really can't win with these things, but those drat Germans seem to love to play anyways.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Acknowledging the hexadecanitrofullerene's existence may anger the hexadecanitrofullerene. Do not taunt hexadecanitrofullerene.
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TasogareNoKagi posted:Do not taunt hexadecanitro Buckyball.
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Icon Of Sin posted:Not acknowledging its existence may anger it as well. You really can't win with these things, but those drat Germans seem to love to play anyways. I'm actually getting slightly scared that just typing hexadecanitrofullerene now may cause enough residual vibration at the time when those [del]idiots[/del] fine experimental minds at Klapötke create a molecule that it spontaneously detonates.
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Tunicate posted:Not with that attitude. Not with any attitude.
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New Law: The longer the name, the bigger the bang.
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A White Guy posted:New Law: The longer the name, the bigger the bang. Only fragments that indicate nitrogen atoms - or the number or structure of them - count.
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Isn't the longest compound name a muscle protein?
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Isn't the longest compound name a muscle protein? I think in principle there's no reason you couldn't turn an entire DNA strand into a compound name, but why would you?
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Tunicate posted:I think in principle there's no reason you couldn't turn an entire DNA strand into a compound name, but why would you? Not to mention, wouldn't things like graphene be a single molecule?
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Dinosaur Comics just informed me of Atomic Gardening. Basically you take a bunch of plants, cluster them around a gamma source, and check out what type of weird mutant offspring they grow.  Lots of offspring from that, including red grapefruit.
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Feh, piddling little Co-60 source. Read about a completely unshielded 10-megawatt research reactor in a forest near Atlanta: http://www.examiner.com/article/a-naked-nuclear-reactor-georgia-part-i
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DigitalRaven posted:I'm actually getting slightly scared that just typing hexadecanitrofullerene now may cause enough residual vibration at the time when those [del]idiots[/del] fine experimental minds at Klapötke create a molecule that it spontaneously detonates. Klapötke is quite possibly incapable of creating compounds that don't spontaneously detonate. I bet the coffee in their breakrooms has a tendancy towards spontaneous detonation. rndmnmbr has a new favorite as of 23:46 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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rndmnmbr posted:Klapötke is quite possibly incapable of creating compounds that don't spontaneously detonate. That's just the nitroglycerin they add for "flavor".
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They don't need coffee, they've got a permanent tremor from the non-stop adrenaline surge that comes with working on the crimes against nature and decency that are floating around their lab.
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Icon Of Sin posted:They don't need coffee, they've got a permanent tremor from the non-stop adrenaline surge that comes with working on the crimes against nature and decency that are floating around their lab. Yeah, but sometimes you need to come down from that - and for them, that's probably such a super-concentrated espresso that it's been banned in most countries for causing heart attacks in anyone who looks at it funny.
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Tunicate posted:Dinosaur Comics just informed me of Atomic Gardening. Did they ever notice the paths in the garden are shaped like a swastika?
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